Feinstein's 2013 Assault Weapon legislation summary

[97desertCobra]

I completely agree. People don't agree with my point of view, or do. Either way, at least we're free to have them. :beer:

Your free to have them in large part because the second amendment allows us to protect that right. Once the government manages to disarm its populace it can the take away anything it wants with no resistance.

The 2A is not about hunting, sport or hobbies. It's about the people protecting themselves from enemies both foreign and domestic.

 

[MGC]

^^ exactly. The problem with passing gun control laws is that criminals already have unregistered guns or can easily get them, a criminal doesn't care and doesn't need an assault weapon to commit a massacre. OKC bombing was done with fertilizer, make that illegal too? The only people it will affect are law-abiding citizens.

 

[bluebosss197]

That decision is crazy. I think we should start on reversing that.

We'll let them do that. We need to start working on Texas successfully seceding from the union to once again become The Republic of Texas.

 

[Juiced 66]

Your free to have them in large part because the second amendment allows us to protect that right. Once the government manages to disarm its populace it can the take away anything it wants with no resistance.

The 2A is not about hunting, sport or hobbies. It's about the people protecting themselves from enemies both foreign and domestic.

EXACTLY.

I'm so sick of this gun crap.. I carry when I'm off duty, and I've been asked before why I feel I need to carry, and my response is always "I may need to kill somebody." The sheeple of the world look at me like I'm psycho.

But it's the damn truth, this world is an ugly place, and there are people out there that would kill me for the $10 in my pocket, or would do horrible things to my wife and/or kids if they could get their hands on them..it's my job as a husband and a parent to protect them, and if it means killing some SOB in the process then so be it.

One of the biggest threats to me and my family is the government, and without guns we cant protect ourselves from the scumbags that run this country. So all you people that live in a bubble and think everything will always be ok, feel free to buy into the "people dont need guns" agenda. When something horrible happens to someone you love and they can't protect themselves I'm sure you will see it differently.

 

[Mach1USMC]

Ahhhh, see you are the type of people that should NOT have guns PERIOD... If you get this upset over someone correcting your misinformation, I can only imagine what you'd do in person, with a gun. I would suggest that that intended gun legislation that is being proposed by Obama is designed to protect people from people such as yourselves.

Man, you guys really need to read up on your definitions... YOU don't define what an Assault Rifle or Assault Weapon is, your government does. And your government has defined an assault weapon as below and according to the Assault Weapons Ban signed into law in 94. See, your definition is irrelevant, useless and holds no weight, but thanks for the "attempt" to educate me...

Here's your definition from Connecticut, the reason for this discussion in the first place.
http://www.ct.gov/despp/lib/despp/slfu/firearms/assault_weapons.pdf

"Sec. 53-202a. Assault weapons: Definition.
(a) As used in this section and sections 53-202b to 53-202k, inclusive, “assault weapon” means:
(1) Any selective-fire firearm capable of fully automatic, semiautomatic or burst fire at the option
of the user or any of the other following specified semiautomatic firearms:
Algimec Agmi Goncz High-Tech Carbine and High-Tech Long Pistol
Armalite AR-180 Heckler & Koch HK-91, HK-93, HK-94 and SP-89
Australian Automatic Arms SAP Pistol Holmes MP-83
Auto-Ordnance Thompson type MAC-10, MAC-11 and MAC-11 Carbine type
Avtomat Kalashnikov AK-47 type Intratec TEC-9 and Scorpion
Barrett Light-Fifty model 82A1 Iver Johnson Enforcer model 3000
Beretta AR-70 Ruger Mini-14/5F folding stock model only
Bushmaster Auto Rifle and Auto Pistol Scarab Skorpion
Calico models M-900, M-950 and 100-P SIG 57 AMT and 500 series
Chartered Industries of Singapore SR-88 Spectre Auto Carbine and Auto Pistol
Colt AR-15 and Sporter Springfield Armory BM59, SAR-48 and G-3
Daewoo K-1, K-2, Max-1 and Max-2 Sterline MK-6 and MK-7
Ecom MK-IV, MP-9 and MP-45 Steyr AUG
Fabrique Nationale FN/FAL, FN/LAR, or FN/FNC Street Sweeper and Striker 12 revolving cylinder shotguns
FAMAS MAS 223 USAS-12
Feather AT-9 and Mini-AT UZI Carbine, Mini-Carbine and Pistol
Federal XC-900 and XC-450 Weaver Arms Nighthawk
Franchi SPAS-12 and Law-12 Wilkinson “Linda” Pistol
Galil AR and ARM
(2) A part or combination of parts designed or intended to convert a firearm into an assault
weapon, as defined in subdivision (1) of this subsection or any combination of parts from which
an assault weapon, as defined in subdivision (1) of this subsection, may be rapidly assembled if
those parts are in possession or under the control of the same person;
(3) Any semiautomatic firearm not listed in subdivision (1) of this subsection that meets the
following criteria:
(A) A semiautomatic rifle that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at lease
two of the following:
(i) A folding or telescoping stock;
(ii) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon;
(iii) A bayonet mount;
(iv) A flash suppressor or threaded barrel designed to accommodate a flash suppressor; and
(v) A grenade launcher; or
(B) A semiautomatic pistol that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least
two of the following:
(i) An ammunition magazine that attaches to the pistol outside of the pistol grip;
(ii) A threaded barrel capable of accepting a barrel extender, flash suppressor, forward handgrip
or silencer;
(iii) A shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel and that permits
the shooter to hold the firearm with the non-trigger hand without being burned;
(iv) A manufactured weight of fifty ounces or more when the pistol is unloaded; and
(v) A semiautomatic version of an automatic firearm; or
(C) A semiautomatic shotgun that has at least two of the following:
(i) A folding or telescoping stock;
(ii) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon;(iii) A fixed magazine capacity in excess of five rounds; and
(iv) An ability to accept a detachable magazine; or
(4) A part or combination of parts designed or intended to convert a firearm into an assault
weapon, as defined in subdivision (3) of this subsection, or any combination of parts from which
an assault weapon, as defined in subdivision (3) of this subsection, may be rapidly assembled if
those parts are in the possession or under the control of the same person.
(b) As used in this section and sections 53-202b to 53-202k, inclusive, the term “assault weapon”
does not include any firearm modified to render it permanently inoperable."

Assault Weapons Ban Law signed in 94 by Clinton...
Assault Weapons - The Classification, Definitions and Laws Regarding Assault Weapons

"A Broadened Category of Assault Weapons

While civilian ownership of automatic weapons has been heavily regulated in the U.S. since 1934, most semi-automatic weapons remained legal until 1994.

The AWB defined a broad category of semi-automatic rifles, handguns and shotguns with military-style characteristics as being “assault weapons.” The law made it illegal to make those weapons in the U.S. for a 10-year period. In 2004, the AWB expired when Congress did not vote to renew it. As a result, it became legal to produce and own those firearms once again.

In general, the AWB defined any firearm with a detachable magazine and at least two of certain other characteristics as an assault weapon.

For rifles, those characteristics included:

Telescoping stock
Pistol grip
Bayonet mount
Grenade launcher
Flash suppressor
For shotguns:

Telescoping stock
Pistol grip
A capacity to hold more than five rounds
For handguns:

Threaded barrels made to attach a barrel extender, handgrip or flash suppressor
A barrel shroud that can be used as a handhold
Weight of at least 50 oz. when unloaded
Nineteen models of firearms were specifically named in the legislation as assault weapons, while other models were included under the umbrella of the law’s definition of assault weapons."

The dictionary...

Assault weapon - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

Awwwwwww- look, I struck a nerve with our resident retarded Canadian. Gee wilickers, thanks for setting me straight- I'm going to sell all my guns just for you:rollseyes

Aren't you glad you live in Canada and not next to law abiding citizens who never used their gun to commit any crime? I'm sure you feel so much better now that you got that off your chest right? Your other favorite site is ****tardsareus.com isn't it Lol

Here's something that will make you feel better, when I go to the range this spring I will dedicate my 8th award expert to you:lol:

 

[Draiter]

So, some morons believe that a legal definition is a correct definition, fantastic. Last I checked, legal "terms of art" do not typically conform to the actual definition of a word. Maybe people who are not in, or have not been to law school should avoid trying to use statutory language as an argument. Oh, I should also point out that you're using a state law to define a nationally used term.

BTW, why does anyone care what a Canadian thinks about U.S. policies? He clearly has no clue what he's talking about and is simply expressing his distaste for that which he does not understand through assumption, generalization, and emotion.

Finally, let's just take a look at the U.S. Supreme Court's recent opinion of what types of weapons the Second Amendment protects:

"We therefore read Miller to say only that the Second Amendment does not protect those weapons not typically possessed by law-abiding citizens for lawful purposes...." Dist. of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570, 625, 128 S. Ct. 2783, 2815-16, 171 L. Ed. 2d 637 (2008).

It would appear that "assault weapons," as defined by our liberal, gun-fearing friends, are typically "possessed by law-abiding citizens for lawful purposes" and are protected by the Second Amendment.

Umm hey Forrest Gump, are you not using statutory language as an argument? What a dumbass... I have no idea what I'm talking about? That's the typical "American" response eh? What? How dare anyone say anything contrary, I'm an American and thus I'm the only one that's right...

Guess what... You gun ban is in the works and it's coming. Get used to it. Your leader had spoken...You know, the guy your American people elected... Lol...
You sure are spending a lot of time defending yourself from the Canadians no one really cares about...



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[MGC]

Umm hey Forrest Gump, are you not using statutory language as an argument? What a dumbass... I have no idea what I'm talking about? That's the typical "American" response eh? What? How dare anyone say anything contrary, I'm an American and thus I'm the only one that's right...

Guess what... You gun ban is in the works and it's coming. Get used to it. Your leader had spoken...You know, the guy your American people elected... Lol...
You sure are spending a lot of time defending yourself from the Canadians no one really cares about...



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Are you a troll, a moron, or a liberal?


My guess is all 3.

 

[NyteByte]

You gun ban is in the works and it's coming. Get used to it. Your leader had spoken...You know, the guy your American people elected... Lol...

The American People didn't elect Obama. It was massive election fraud that got him in both times.

 

[Planter]

I see this going nowhere. Feinstein introduces these stupid bills every year. Gun ownership is at an all time high as is acceptance of ownership as a hobby. The recent run on gun sales is as good an indication as any that the country does not support an AWB.

i wish Feinsteins butler would introduce a dissolve cyancide capsule into his morning coffee :bored:

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[bglf83]

The American People didn't elect Obama. It was massive election fraud that got him in both times.

I agree, how can we say its legit without voter ids. Obama taught that on hard.

 

[Mr. Mach-ete]

Umm hey Forrest Gump, are you not using statutory language as an argument? What a dumbass... I have no idea what I'm talking about? That's the typical "American" response eh? What? How dare anyone say anything contrary, I'm an American and thus I'm the only one that's right...

Guess what... You gun ban is in the works and it's coming. Get used to it. Your leader had spoken...You know, the guy your American people elected... Lol...
You sure are spending a lot of time defending yourself from the Canadians no one really cares about...



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This isn't smack down, I hope the mods deal with you accordingly.

 

[Mach1USMC]

Umm hey Forrest Gump, are you not using statutory language as an argument? What a dumbass... I have no idea what I'm talking about? That's the typical "American" response eh? What? How dare anyone say anything contrary, I'm an American and thus I'm the only one that's right...

Guess what... You gun ban is in the works and it's coming. Get used to it. Your leader had spoken...You know, the guy your American people elected... Lol...
You sure are spending a lot of time defending yourself from the Canadians no one really cares about...



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I think the best part is where you quoted the AWB that expired. That's good stuff. As far as our "leader" goes here is another concept for you. He's an elected official, NOT a king. Since you like doing research so much perhaps you should read our constitution. We have 3 branches of govt in America- just because the President wants to pass a law doesn't mean shit unless CONGRESS goes along with it. Congress is made up of Representatives of the several states and are also elected. They are the ones responsible for sending bills the the President to sign- he can either sign them or veto them. So you see my ignorant friend just because the President grandstands or demagogues to make political points doesn't mean shit unless the people push for legislation. IOWs it's not a done deal by any means- there are a lot of people in America who strongly disagree with left wing anti gun nut jobs like you..... And guess what they vote. People in congress want to get re-elected. It's pretty simple really. I know- pretty scary huh? The people actually have a voice in this. Even people who disagree with you..... Awwww don't be so depressed- after all you live in Canada where you have the gun laws you like. Maybe you should move to Mexico, their gun laws are even more strict. I bet you'd feel really safe then right? Let us know how the move goes:lol:

 

[UncleDan]

Adam Lanza wouldn't have had one in the car if his mother didn't have one at home. Furthermore, there is no reason a civilian needs an assault rifle. Period.

So what? Anyone that hell bent on killing a bunch of people is going to try to do SOMETHING, regardless if they have an assault rifle or not. How about just the car? He could have went on a rampage when school was let out. He could have gotten a bunch of glass jugs, filled them with gas and a lit rag, and tossed a few of those into some classrooms.

Do you not get it? It has nothing to do with guns. It has to do with these maniacs, and our society which is completely going down the toilet.

 

[UncleDan]

My dad brought up an excellent point this week about this entire topic. When he was a kid, weapons in general, including AR-15's, AK-47's, and all the other "assault style" rifles were WAY easier to get and more available than they are today.

And yet, school shootings and other mass shootings were almost unheard of back then. That kind of stuff just didn't happen. Even criminals back in that time had a line they didn't cross. And now we've got mass shootings going on in Elementary Schools and movie theaters??

It has nothing to do with weapons. Society is crumbling, kids are fat, spoiled, and disrespectful. They are addicted to video games and get to the point where they compare everything they encounter in real life to the games they play, and parents are allowing it.

A lot of kids aren't being raised the right way, and the domino effect will really take over once all of those turds eventually reproduce and bring their shit head kids up the same fashion.

They're being taught how to be lazy, disrespectful, and that they should get whatever they ask for, and also never be held accountable for their actions. These are the people who should never even be allowed near a gun.

 

[Silverstrike]

So what? Anyone that hell bent on killing a bunch of people is going to try to do SOMETHING, regardless if they have an assault rifle or not. How about just the car? He could have went on a rampage when school was let out. He could have gotten a bunch of glass jugs, filled them with gas and a lit rag, and tossed a few of those into some classrooms.

Do you not get it? It has nothing to do with guns. It has to do with these maniacs, and our society which is completely going down the toilet.

Yes Lanza tried I think 3 days before he went on his cowardly shooting spree, trying to buy a firearm. They found out about his mental condition with the background check and so was denied. So he then went and took his mother weapons killed her and then drove over 600 miles to have a target rich enviro------------ oopppssss I mean gun free zone to do his deed.

And all because he didn't like that mommy was about to commit him to a mental institution. :nonono::nonono::nonono:

Hell he could of done more damage with a Remington 870 pump 12 guage shotgun with 00 buckshot and about a dozen pipe bombs. If he truly wanted to do mass chaos on a grand scale.

 

[POPPAJ]

Just a few points:

With gun ownership comes a certain level of responsibility. If Adam Lanza's mother was a responsible gun owner all her guns would have been locked in a safe where her mentally disturbed son couldn't have access. Most likely she shouldn't have introduced him to guns anyway. I know that we shouldn't judge people by their looks, but sheesh I wouldn't have put a water pistol in that kid's hands. So these killings could have been avoided by simply having these guns properly locked up.

Next, the convicted felon that murdered and wounded the Firemen. Under the CURRENT laws he could not legally own or purchase a firearm yet he had no problem doing so. More laws? Anyone remember the war on drugs? How many tons of heroin, cocaine and other illegal drugs enter our country every day? Make firearms illegal and they will still be available to those that don't give a shit about laws.

Oh, and those that live in Canadia, butt the **** out!

 

[slidai]

So what? Anyone that hell bent on killing a bunch of people is going to try to do SOMETHING, regardless if they have an assault rifle or not. How about just the car? He could have went on a rampage when school was let out. He could have gotten a bunch of glass jugs, filled them with gas and a lit rag, and tossed a few of those into some classrooms.

Do you not get it? It has nothing to do with guns. It has to do with these maniacs, and our society which is completely going down the toilet.

I get it, but obviously you don't. The question was asked if this would keep these weapon out of criminals hands, and I said yes, in Adam case. I am sorry, but that's a simple fact. Had his mother not had one, he wouldnt have had one. I realize he didn't use it but one can only speculate as to why not. Point is, the answer to the question was yes, in this case.

 

[bglf83]

I get it, but obviously you don't. The question was asked if this would keep these weapon out of criminals hands, and I said yes, in Adam case. I am sorry, but that's a simple fact. Had his mother not had one, he wouldnt have had one. I realize he didn't use it but one can only speculate as to why not. Point is, the answer to the question was yes, in this case.

How do you know he would not have stolen or illegally obtained guns anyway? Obviously more laws would not have stopped him since he obviously did not care about the law.

He could gave blocked the exits and burned the place down, if you want to kill you will figure out how.

By the way, its hard to conceal a rifle, that's why he did not try to sneak it in.

 

[bglf83]

Also it is very important to note, in Australia where the banned guns, they found violent crime increased in the absence of guns. They also acknowledged violent crime has nothing to do with guns.

AUSTRALIA: MORE VIOLENT CRIME DESPITE GUN BAN

No that they are banned, they are not going to change their mind though.

Aparantly this is true for the UK as well. These guys already proved this for us.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1223193/Culture-violence-Gun-crime-goes-89-decade.html

 

[slidai]

How do you know he would not have stolen or illegally obtained guns anyway? Obviously more laws would not have stopped him since he obviously did not care about the law.

He could gave blocked the exits and burned the place down, if you want to kill you will figure out how.

By the way, its hard to conceal a rifle, that's why he did not try to sneak it in.

Because he didn't? We could argue an infinite number of variables or, we can just look at what happened in the real world. Also, you have no idea why he didn't take it in. Seeing as how he took his mothers stash, if she had not had one, he wouldn't have. I realize its silly to inject fact into this thread so ill just take my leave now.