The new gt-350 should have been the current gt!!!

[DSG2003SVT]

I think we're on such different wavelengths, there's no reason to try to convince you otherwise. You're clearly only interested in straight line speed. In that case, I say save your money for a Hellcat. The direction that Mustangs are going doesn't appear to be for you. Possibly the next GT500, but it's going to be expensive too.

 

[DHG1078]

Umm the 2015 Mustang GT has aluminum front fenders....

and hood

 

[rrg9946]

and hood

Yes this correct.

 

[Chameleon76]

If your asking if we would like the gt350 to start at 32k... Then yea

:lol: And it just silenced a bunch more at Motown mile.

 

[AustinSN]

Lmao at this guy.

 

[blackbeast12]

The track data isn't in for the the hellcat or the gt-350, you cant assume because a car is heavier it will be less effective at the track. Remember the 1le is a heavier car then the new and old stang yet neither stang is even close to it on the track. The mustang used to be the best bang for the buck but with the prices of the 2015 gt premium they lost that title! Dodge now on paper gives you more for less coin! if money was no object i'd buy the hellcat but i'm not in the market right now. I'm having to much fun with my modded 12. And If I'm spending 46k-to 60k that car better have some real power, and not be slower then its predecessor!

 

[Voltwings]

There doesnt have to be data, its not rocket science.

4500 lbs + 700 hp + 285 tires a track car does not make.

You're also talking maybe a 100-200 lb difference between the Mustang and 1Le, but the 1Le actually has a useful amount of power for the track, notice the less powerful Z28 runs circles around the ZL1? After a point more power just makes you slower if the rest of the car isnt up to par.

 

[manolith]

Ok so heres a thought the gt-350 starts at 51k and with options and dealer mark up its probably gonna be 65k, in the hellcat range! This car at that price wont even come close to the hellcat performance wise even with it being a lighter car. If i had 65k to spend the hellcat is an easy decision. But the gt-350 at $51k with all the goodies would be an easy choice over the hellcat. All I'm saying is the gt premium fully loaded at 46k is overpriced and if you can get a gt-350 for $51k with some of the goodies its a better deal then the gt premium. The sticker on my 12 gt was 35k i got it for 29k in 2011. My same equipped car in a 2015 is 39k and what do i get irs and a nicer interior? Wait its more comfortable too...lol. the #s don't add up! Did you know you could get a 6.4 -475 hp challenger with all the goodies for less then 40k? I think ford needs to re-evaluate its pricing!

No other car in the world with a similar setup will come close to the price of the gt350. You don't seem to appreciate the motor that Ford has put in this car. Is something trully exotic. This is Ferrari stuff for a fraction of the price. The technical achivement of this motor is comparable with anything that comes out of Italy. The only reason is rated at 500+ HP is because of money. With direct injection and higher compression this thing could be the most powerful n/a v8 in production. Easily over 650bhp. I still can't believe that Ford has done this. It's trully amazing. Maybe I'm just a big nerd. But I haven't been so excited for an engine ever.

 

[darreng505]

Ok so heres a thought the gt-350 starts at 51k and with options and dealer mark up its probably gonna be 65k, in the hellcat range! This car at that price wont even come close to the hellcat performance wise even with it being a lighter car. If i had 65k to spend the hellcat is an easy decision. But the gt-350 at $51k with all the goodies would be an easy choice over the hellcat. All I'm saying is the gt premium fully loaded at 46k is overpriced and if you can get a gt-350 for $51k with some of the goodies its a better deal then the gt premium. The sticker on my 12 gt was 35k i got it for 29k in 2011. My same equipped car in a 2015 is 39k and what do i get irs and a nicer interior? Wait its more comfortable too...lol. the #s don't add up! Did you know you could get a 6.4 -475 hp challenger with all the goodies for less then 40k? I think ford needs to re-evaluate its pricing!

Agree 100%

 

[blackbeast12]

So a 15 gt-350 pulls up to me at a light and i say, wanna run em? He says yeah where's the nearest track. ...lol most of the time in our cars is spent on the street and there are not many who spend more time at the track, then on the street. i mean lets be real, z-28 , hellcat, gt-350, they will see each other on the street more often then the track. lets stay where we are gonna be most of the time. A Z-28's handling prowess isn't fully realized on the street nor will the gt-350's. So if both cars out handle the hellcat at the track like you say, its useless info until your actually at the track! Oh side note ::: the zl1 is as heavy as the hell cat and it still out handles any mustang to date! Not including the gt-350 because technically its not out yet!

 

[Branhammer]

Well a loaded gt costing more then $45k is outrageous for what you get.

And how much did a loaded 2011-2014 premium cost?


...Exactly

 

[manolith]

So a 15 gt-350 pulls up to me at a light and i say, wanna run em? He says yeah where's the nearest track. ...lol most of the time in our cars is spent on the street and there are not many who spend more time at the track, then on the street. i mean lets be real, z-28 , hellcat, gt-350, they will see each other on the street more often then the track. lets stay where we are gonna be most of the time. A Z-28's handling prowess isn't fully realized on the street nor will the gt-350's. So if both cars out handle the hellcat at the track like you say, its useless info until your actually at the track! Oh side note ::: the zl1 is as heavy as the hell cat and it still out handles any mustang to date! Not including the gt-350 because technically its not out yet!

So a galardo pulls next to me and I race it and best it. Does that mean anything lol. I still ddroolall over the galardo.

 

[Branhammer]

Also, we don't need data of any type to know that the hellcat will be a pig around the track. It doesn't have the setup in any way, shape, or form to be a track car. It was clearly meant to be a straight line car only and Dodge has been completely upfront about that. The ZL1 is heavy, but it also was built with the right parts to compete on the track. It's not ALL about weight. If you guys want 1/4 speed or stop light to stop light speed then quit whining and just buy a hellcat. Jesus...


Edit: let me clarify before someone has a dumbass response about the ZL1: It has much better parts for the track COMPARED to a hellcat or middle of the road Camaro.

 

[03cobra#694]

I think we're on such different wavelengths, there's no reason to try to convince you otherwise. You're clearly only interested in straight line speed. In that case, I say save your money for a Hellcat. The direction that Mustangs are going doesn't appear to be for you. Possibly the next GT500, but it's going to be expensive too.

^^^This

Some of the posts around here anymore...

 

[black92]

Ok so heres a thought the gt-350 starts at 51k and with options and dealer mark up its probably gonna be 65k, in the hellcat range! This car at that price wont even come close to the hellcat performance wise even with it being a lighter car. If i had 65k to spend the hellcat is an easy decision. But the gt-350 at $51k with all the goodies would be an easy choice over the hellcat. All I'm saying is the gt premium fully loaded at 46k is overpriced and if you can get a gt-350 for $51k with some of the goodies its a better deal then the gt premium. The sticker on my 12 gt was 35k i got it for 29k in 2011. My same equipped car in a 2015 is 39k and what do i get irs and a nicer interior? Wait its more comfortable too...lol. the #s don't add up! Did you know you could get a 6.4 -475 hp challenger with all the goodies for less then 40k? I think ford needs to re-evaluate its pricing!

So you're saying the only thing new for the 2015 is IRS and better interior? Ummmm, k...

Agree 100%

You're just trolling... right?

So a 15 gt-350 pulls up to me at a light and i say, wanna run em? He says yeah where's the nearest track. ...lol most of the time in our cars is spent on the street and there are not many who spend more time at the track, then on the street. i mean lets be real, z-28 , hellcat, gt-350, they will see each other on the street more often then the track. lets stay where we are gonna be most of the time. A Z-28's handling prowess isn't fully realized on the street nor will the gt-350's. So if both cars out handle the hellcat at the track like you say, its useless info until your actually at the track! Oh side note ::: the zl1 is as heavy as the hell cat and it still out handles any mustang to date! Not including the gt-350 because technically its not out yet!

Since you live your life a 1/4 mile at a time, the GT350 is not for you.

 

[kcsvt94l]

To play Devil's advocate, I think a lot of folks points are @ 46k you're getting close to C7 territory. Stock vs Stock a what's a 1LT C7 going to do to a PP s550? I think we'll all agree murder it on the corners and in straight line. Personally, I don't buy a Performance car to have nice touch and feel, ride, artsy fartsy leather and brushed aluminium. I want the damn thing to perform, no way I'd pay 46k for a '15 GT when the outgoing gt500 was 55k. No way I pay 75K for a z28 when a c7z06 is 78k.

List of items that don't get you home.

Navigation
Back Up Camera
Leather
Alacantra
Dual Zone Climate
Heated Seats
Cooled Seats
built in iPad
Sirius Satellite Radio
Seats that vibrate my wives clicker
Sun shades
Moon Roof
Preset Seat Settings
Power Seats
Adjustable Pedals
mood lighting
push button start
hidden compartments
sport "tuned" exhaust
upgraded wheels
"Performance Packages"
Red Interior
Two tone interior
an overpriced "premium" color that's ugly and you see more often on v6 cars.
the list goes on and on.

I just need three pedals, a shifter, and a damn steering wheel.

Call me simple, call my car a shitty base, I don't care enough about things that i'll never use or things I can modify myself that will be better. People go as far as putting the malarkey in their signatures
"2014 Mustang GT PP 401a Glass Roof Track Pack wheel Recaro Seat Dual climate blah blah blah" 90% of the extra shit you buy you either never use or you pull it off the car, in favor of upgraded parts anyway.


As to the 450-500 hp being the maximum power needed for a road course, that's completely false. Maximum power on a road course is a relative term that is 99.9% dependent upon the suspension of the car. There are much more powerful cars out there road racing w/o issue. Where people get into trouble with more power, is that in examples such as the GT500, Hellcat, ZL1, is that #1 They've added power adder which greatly changes the way the vehicle drives. Power Delivery and consistency are the main two areas of concern, this can certainly be addresses via suspension changes.

 

[Voltwings]

I never said that was the max, i said the power in the 1Le (vs Zl1) was more useable. There are plenty of cars out there with more power, but they're also on good tires, with good suspension, and most have aero of some sorts, NOT a street car that has driven onto the track and is driving in that trim. There is a trade off and a balance, my point was more along the lines of: "The more powerful car is not always the faster one" since there was some sort of dillusion the hellcat will be an awesome track car.

 

[Branhammer]

I just need three pedals, a shifter, and a damn steering wheel.

And you can get that in the 2015. Base is $32k. Base for a 2011-2014 was roughly $30-$31k iirc. Not a big difference. I'd say it's par for the course. What makes my head hurt is the 11-14 owners saying that the 2015 is overpriced when it is priced almost exactly the same as an equally equipped 2014 when it first came out. A 2014 could cost EVEN more than a fully optioned out 2015 if you got every option. I think a 2014 GT premium with EVERY option was around the $48k range. You and I are on the same page as far as the options. I don't need all that crap, therefore, I'll be picking up a 2015 GT base for around $30k.

 

[kcsvt94l]

I never said that was the max, i said the power in the 1Le (vs Zl1) was more useable. There are plenty of cars out there with more power, but they're also on good tires, with good suspension, and most have aero of some sorts, NOT a street car that has driven onto the track and is driving in that trim. There is a trade off and a balance, my point was more along the lines of: "The more powerful car is not always the faster one" since there was some sort of dillusion the hellcat will be an awesome track car.

The hellcat needs tires regardless of what type of track it's on no doubt. While it's heavy, I think with a decent set of tires and a few tweaks to the suspension, you'd be surprised, the trick is the driver knowing how to modulate use of the abundance of power. People felt the same way about mid late 60s GT500's when compared to GT350's, I race with them guys all the time at Hallett Motor Speedway in Tulsa, Ok. 350's pass them in the corners 500's come back on the straights and it's a cat and mouse game. They actually run very similar times, obviously track depending the more straight aways the better the chances increase for the Hellcat. He'll They took Kansas Speedway(Nascar) and put an road course in the middle of the infield and it enters/exits the speedway for the better part of 1.25 Miles. In that example a Hellcat would put unrecoverable lengths on a GT350. The Nurburgring is only one track.

 

[kcsvt94l]

And you can get that in the 2015. Base is $32k. Base for a 2011-2014 was roughly $30-$31k iirc. Not a big difference. I'd say it's par for the course. What makes my head hurt is the 11-14 owners saying that the 2015 is overpriced when it is priced almost exactly the same as an equally equipped 2014 when it first came out. A 2014 could cost EVEN more than a fully optioned out 2015 if you got every option. I think a 2014 GT premium with EVERY option was around the $48k range. You and I are on the same page as far as the options. I don't need all that crap, therefore, I'll be picking up a 2015 GT base for around $30k.

Agree completely, I know the 11-14's were priced the same. Which is why I have a base '13 Initial cost of vehicle was a whopping 26,800 out the door. That's less than a Base Taurus and "well equipped" fusion money.