allocations and production? 350R

[ON D BIT]

Oh hell!

Since the greed in this thread is spewing forth, what is Ford thinking?
Create a track car with a vin.
Create a track car for a decent value.
Create a car that people want with waiting lists.

Just terrible business practices! How do they survive?

Speaking of how does Porsche do it? I mean the GT4 and GT3 are both significantly more expensive without greater performance and yet they have waiting list. Why a GT3 at $150k instead of a z06 at a discount? Are they going against the laws of economics?

 

[johnny-longtors]

Speaking of how does Porsche do it? I mean the GT4 and GT3 are both significantly more expensive without greater performance and yet they have waiting list. Why a GT3 at $150k instead of a z06 at a discount? Are they going against the laws of economics?

Other than the VASTLY different sized pools of potential buyers for a $65k car -vs- a $150k car, great point.

 

[jtfx6552]

Oh hell!

Since the greed in this thread is spewing forth, what is Ford thinking?
Create a track car with a vin.
Create a track car for a decent value.
Create a car that people want with waiting lists.

Just terrible business practices! How do they survive?

Speaking of how does Porsche do it? I mean the GT4 and GT3 are both significantly more expensive without greater performance and yet they have waiting list. Why a GT3 at $150k instead of a z06 at a discount? Are they going against the laws of economics?

I have seen no verifiable data that a GT350R does anything better than the Porsches you mentioned. Even if it can run a comparable lap time, if you think in a head to head test of the whole driving / owning experience you think the R would come out on top you'd be delusional.

But keep spewing the cool aid.

Corvettes and Porsches, apples an oranges, Rs and Porsches, peaches and oranges.

 

[DSG2003SVT]

The lap times according to Ford Performance were inseparable at Grattan between the GT3 and GT350R. The whole "ownership experience" is all a matter of how you look at it to me. I wouldn't be afraid of losing my behind after driving a GT350R 20K miles. I can't say the same for the Porsche. Every German car that I or anyone that I've ever known has owned for any significant amount of use has been an absolute money pit and all around pain.

Mustangs may not be as cool or "well engineered", but I can work on one myself. I haven't had significant issues with any late model Mustang I've owned, and I drive them hard and often. My 2013 GT had 60K miles on it, almost all with some level of aftermarket modification. The GT350 will likely remain 100% stock, but I'm not going to worry if I want to throw a bolt on at it here or there. If you have to money to have a Porsche maintained, I say go for it. I, however, don't. That's why I buy Mustangs.

 

[jtfx6552]

The lap times according to Ford Performance were inseparable at Grattan between the GT3 and GT350R. The whole "ownership experience" is all a matter of how you look at it to me. I wouldn't be afraid of losing my behind after driving a GT350R 20K miles. I can't say the same for the Porsche. Every German car that I or anyone that I've ever known has owned for any significant amount of use has been an absolute money pit and all around pain.

Mustangs may not be as cool or "well engineered", but I can work on one myself. I haven't had significant issues with any late model Mustang I've owned, and I drive them hard and often. My 2013 GT had 60K miles on it, almost all with some level of aftermarket modification. The GT350 will likely remain 100% stock, but I'm not going to worry if I want to throw a bolt on at it here or there. If you have to money to have a Porsche maintained, I say go for it. I, however, don't. That's why I buy Mustangs.

I agree, I'm a Mustang guy too, I wasn't trying to demean the R, just pointing out they are not comparable for many reasons.

I was just voicing my opinion to On D Bit that Using Porsche as justification that Ford shouldn't build enough for everyone that wants to buy one is crazy.

I agree with the poster that the wheels probably are the limiting factor.

 

[ON D BIT]

I have seen no verifiable data that a GT350R does anything better than the Porsches you mentioned. Even if it can run a comparable lap time, if you think in a head to head test of the whole driving / owning experience you think the R would come out on top you'd be delusional.

But keep spewing the cool aid.

Corvettes and Porsches, apples an oranges, Rs and Porsches, peaches and oranges.

Randy Pobst has already stated that he would choose the R over GT4 that starts at 86k I believe. I posted the direct quote in this thread somewhere. Cool aid is refreshing!

 

[KWClutch]

I'm just sitting over here like.... damn...can't wait for my R....

 

[krt22]

I have seen no verifiable data that a GT350R does anything better than the Porsches you mentioned. Even if it can run a comparable lap time, if you think in a head to head test of the whole driving / owning experience you think the R would come out on top you'd be delusional.

But keep spewing the cool aid.

Corvettes and Porsches, apples an oranges, Rs and Porsches, peaches and oranges.

I always love the cliche and 100% subjective "driving/owning experience " card that always gets pulled whenever another car matches/beats the resident p-car benchmark. Pink or purple koolaid is still koolaid.

The only areas the two arent comparible is MSRP and gear box for the purists since the GT3 is a PDK only car

 

[jtfx6552]

I always love the cliche and 100% subjective "driving/owning experience " card that always gets pulled whenever another car matches/beats the resident p-car benchmark. Pink or purple koolaid is still koolaid.

The only areas the two arent comparible is MSRP and gear box for the purists since the GT3 is a PDK only car

Have you driven a Porsche or even been in one on a track? I never really saw the appeal until I experienced that. The rear engine configuration allows for some cool stuff, lift, point shoot, lol.

 

[HEMI DAVE]

The funny thing is Porsche was going to sell me a GT4 at MSRP...and only 660 were coming to the U.S........

But they sold the GT4 out in about as much time as it takes for me to take a dump......so I couldnt ever get one.......

So then I wanted a Shelby GT350R and got hit with severe ADM's......and same for a GT350 without the "R"...ADM's

So now a discounted C7 Z06 and praying it wont overheat on track.....

That's my story and I am sticking to it.........

 

[Saleen_1977]

What is the msrp for the base model with just the technology pack added?

 

[needspeed]

Just go to the Ford site and build it your way and you will get your price.......Steve

 

[Tob]

What is the msrp for the base model with just the technology pack added?

http://bfy.tw/224g

 

[AustinSN]

So now a discounted C7 Z06 and praying it wont overheat on track.....

Lol we will all pray for you.

 

[krt22]

Have you driven a Porsche or even been in one on a track? I never really saw the appeal until I experienced that. The rear engine configuration allows for some cool stuff, lift, point shoot, lol.

yes I have, just not "unique" enough for me to justify the steep price tag and all other incidentals. I have not been in the latest GT cars, they look/sound amazing, but again, just can't justify the price when there are are comparable performers for 1/2 (or less in some cases) the cost.

 

[GT Premi]

yes I have, just not "unique" enough for me to justify the steep price tag and all other incidentals. I have not been in the latest GT cars, they look/sound amazing, but again, just can't justify the price when there are are comparable performers for 1/2 (or less in some cases) the cost.

How many Cayman GT4/GTS/R do you see on the road? (Or the basic Cayman, for that matter?) A Cayman GT4 is not "unique" enough to justify its $84K MSRP but a GT350R with a $20K markup (making it effectively even more expensive than the GT4) is justifiable? Maintenance costs are going to be comparable. It costs just as much to maintain my GT500 as it does the S4, and the S4 has a much more complicated/sophisticated driveline. From what I've read years ago, the Cayman is fairly easy to work on.

 

[krt22]

I live and work in the silicon valley, so I see everything under the sun here. I will likely see car more GT4s, GT3s and GT3 RS's over the next 3 years than I will a GT350R (perhaps even a base GT350). The basic cayman/cayman GTS (along with the M3, 911 C2/C4, etc) are extremely common place here, so no real comparison with those. But alas you missed my point, I wasn't referring to how many there are on road, I was referring the the "unique" driving experience the p-car guys love to go on about.

Either way, good luck finding at GT4 without ADM, just as rare as a GT350R without ADM (although you are exaggerating 20k over, plenty have secured them for less). I know plenty of folks paying 10k over for a GT4 and still transporting them in from out of state. Then add a few options and your GT4 is now a 100k+ car that still lacks a hellacious huge FPC V8. And you are off base if you really think the maintenance costs are going to be the same once things start to actually break.

I am plenty happy with my track pack car at MSRP. Different folks, different strokes, you are wasting your breath if you are trying to convince me that a 100K+ GT4 is going to put more smiles on my face than my 56k GT350.

 

[GT Premi]

I live and work in the silicon valley, so I see everything under the sun here. I will likely see car more GT4s, GT3s and GT3 RS's over the next 3 years than I will a GT350R (perhaps even a base GT350). The basic cayman/cayman GTS (along with the M3, 911 C2/C4, etc) are extremely common place here, so no real comparison with those. But alas you missed my point, I wasn't referring to how many there are on road, I was referring the the "unique" driving experience the p-car guys love to go on about.

Either way, good luck finding at GT4 without ADM, just as rare as a GT350R without ADM (although you are exaggerating 20k over, plenty have secured them for less). I know plenty of folks paying 10k over for a GT4 and still transporting them in from out of state. Then add a few options and your GT4 is now a 100k+ car that still lacks a hellacious huge FPC V8. And you are off base if you really think the maintenance costs are going to be the same once things start to actually break.

I am plenty happy with my track pack car at MSRP. Different folks, different strokes, you are wasting your breath if you are trying to convince me that a 100K+ GT4 is going to put more smiles on my face than my 56k GT350.

Ok, I see what you mean by "unique." I'm definitely not exaggerating the $20K ADM. The general manager at the Ford dealership that I bought my GT500 told me directly out of his mouth that they were going to start with a $20K markup. And that was for the base GT350! (Which now it turns out they aren't even going to get any GT350s. Serves them right.) And I'm not trying to convince you of any kind of personal experience you'd have with a car. Individuals are exactly that; individuals. Concerning markups on the GT4, like you said, it must be location. The local Porsche dealership here doesn't apply markups. They didn't have one on the new 991 GT3, they didn't have one on the Carrera GT, I haven't seen any on the Turbo S, etc. Now, they're not too willing to budge on the MSRP of the limited edition cars (even though they will if you try hard enough), but they don't add markups, either. At least, I've never seen that to be the case on the times I've visited the dealership.

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And who says you have to break stuff? If you're breaking your car, you're doing it wrong.

 

[krt22]

Plenty are asking 20k+, that doesnt mean they are getting it. You just have to do the leg work and be willing to transport a car from out of state (which is actually something the p-car guys do quite often, they even have a thread on rennlist just to get quotes for transport). Being I live where I do, all the local dealers were asking 20k+ over for base GT350s, I gave up after calling 50+ CA dealers and went with an out of state car at sticker.

As for the GT4, if your dealer had one at MSRP, its likely already gone, and if it isnt I can probably find them a buyer within a day. Last time I check the entire 2016 MY is sold out and dealers are already taking deposits for the 2017s, so you won't be able to just walk into any dealer and walk away with a car, not by a long shot. With <2000 units being made and a more reasonable MSRP compared to the GT3 and GT3RS, they will command ADMs in almost every market. They are great cars with a great following, so it's not surprising at all to me.

And if you run the car long and hard enough, things will break. No way getting around that, gotta pay to play.

 

[jtfx6552]

yes I have, just not "unique" enough for me to justify the steep price tag and all other incidentals.

Me either.