Making a Murderer - Netflix Series

[black4vcobra]

Halbach's ex boyfriend, brother and roommate should have also been suspects. Family is very possible too. They could have had a plan to try and blackmail him for his settlement money and shit went south or something. His family could have as easily planted stuff within the property during the investigation as well. It still doesn't explain a lot of the shady ass, police work. That's why the story is so interesting because there is just a whole lot of ****ery going on, yeah.

At first it seemed like they were trying to make the ex-bf look like a possibility but then that just trailed off. The idea that the family was going to blackmail Avery is pretty flimsy as the family seemed pretty straight laced, though I suppose its possible. The brother I suppose would make a little more sense than anyone who wasn't mentioned in the article (maybe an extremely jealous sibling thing) but I still highly doubt it. The roommate was shown once so I doubt anyone thought he was at all a possibility. I still think that if it wasn't Avery it was one of the people with easy access to the land. I thought I read in one of the articles that Avery thinks he knows who killed her but they didn't say a name. Of course there is always that crazy Convoluted Brian guy who thinks that some unnamed crazy guy in nearby Bonduel could be responsible.

What motive did the prosecution give for this murder?

Come to think of it they didn't really give a motive other than being a sexual deviant and overall very disturbed person.

 

[SolarYellow]

I'm not sure what episode am on but the chick (Jodi) talks about the phone bill and how she was talking to Steven at 5:35 pm (or so) and wonders how he could have been so calm after murdering and raping the female. Also, that Brenden character is clearly slow so how can anything he says be believed or not. The simpleton didn't even know what is meant by something being inconsistent. Hell, his mother didn't know either. Who do you believe? A family of simpletons or a corrupt sheriff dept?

 

[Buckwheat 1]

I'm not sure what episode am on but the chick (Jodi) talks about the phone bill and how she was talking to Steven at 5:35 pm (or so) and wonders how he could have been so calm after murdering and raping the female. Also, that Brenden character is clearly slow so how can anything he says be believed or not. The simpleton didn't even know what is meant by something being inconsistent. Hell, his mother didn't know either. Who do you believe? A family of simpletons or a corrupt sheriff dept?

The only answer is Stevie and Brendon are idiot sevants in crime scene clean up.

 

[SolarYellow]

They might be savants but I wouldn't put any faith in anything the slow nephew says and the more I watch the more the entire situation stars smelling like a can of open tuna sitting in the hot sun. The police and those associated with the search seem either incompetent, victims of coincidence or liars.

 

[hoamskilet]

Just finished episode 3. Impossible at this point to have an opinion of innocence or guilt, but one thing for sure is all the law enforcement involved in this is shady as hell.

**spoiler**

The key magically turning up after the trailer was searched 3 times already and found by the manitowoc sheriff's dept who shouldn't have been on the property in the first place is beyond fishy. Plus the lack of blood in the room where supposedly cut her throat seems pretty much impossible.

The way the investigators handled that kid was complete garbage. Rather convenient the kid has to choose between life in prison without parole or basically make the prosecutors case against Avery to get out in 20.

 

[hoamskilet]

Just started episode 4. My God this kid's defender is a total goober.

And how in the hell did that judge allow this kids confession to stand....did he not watch the same tapes?

 

[hoamskilet]

What

The

F.

This kid is just about retarded and he's been told what to say the entire way even by his attorney's own investigator. I don't know how the hell anything he said could be used

 

[black4vcobra]

Just finished episode 3. Impossible at this point to have an opinion of innocence or guilt, but one thing for sure is all the law enforcement involved in this is shady as hell.

**spoiler**

The key magically turning up after the trailer was searched 3 times already and found by the manitowoc sheriff's dept who shouldn't have been on the property in the first place is beyond fishy. Plus the lack of blood in the room where supposedly cut her throat seems pretty much impossible.

The way the investigators handled that kid was complete garbage. Rather convenient the kid has to choose between life in prison without parole or basically make the prosecutors case against Avery to get out in 20.

Yes. Unbelievably shady. I get that this documentary is supposed to be slanted towards making Avery look innocent, but it is absolutely unfathomable how terrible the police and prosecutors are.

Just started episode 4. My God this kid's defender is a total goober.

And how in the hell did that judge allow this kids confession to stand....did he not watch the same tapes?

Arrest someone, lock them up and throw away the key. Been going on for 100+ years in this country.

What

The

F.

This kid is just about retarded and he's been told what to say the entire way even by his attorney's own investigator. I don't know how the hell anything he said could be used

Yup... he is not capable of having a drivers license, therefore, he should not be trusted in what he says in court and is not fit to be allowed in the general population of a state prison.

 

[hoamskilet]

The ex boyfriend seems sketchy as hell

 

[FourSixPony]

I'm not done watching it yet and I don't know what they have left out, but from what I have watched so far I have no idea how they could take anything that kid is saying as truth, everyone is telling him what to do and say, he most definitely got hosed in this whole thing I think. The police department is definitely planting shit on this guy, how the hell can a crime scene be searched 3 times and not find a key but the police department that shouldn't even be at the scene and the cop that shouldn't be there magically find the key right there in the open?.. Bullshit. The blood in the car also, what a crock of shit that was. This is all beyond screwed up, sometimes I wonder how some people in this world get to where they are when they are such a shitty person.

 

[rotor_powerd]

The ex boyfriend seems sketchy as hell

I don't trust him or the brother. The brother seemed more concerned with getting in front of the camera whenever possible than he did with losing his sister.

 

[Buckwheat 1]

The jury system is broken when the gov can break the rules and a quilty verdict is handed down

 

[low03tb]

This is my take on the whole thing below. **SPOILERS**

*highlight it to reveal*


So what we know is that she was killed, apparently on his property (possibly in his trailer OR garage depending on if you believe the kid's testimony), but not a single shred of blood OR any of secretion was found in the carpets, wood on the walls, sheets (that weren't even tested by the way..weird), garage, shovel, this and that...

How in the hell do you clean up every single shred of dna in your trailer and/or garage...PLUS all blood traces leading out to the burn site, but forget to clean up the RAV4. Not only that, but when you own and operate and incinerator AND a car crusher....you just decide to leave some branches on it and decide that's good enough.



...so this guy is supposedly smart enough to clean EVERYTHING without it being evident that it was 'cleaned' or tampered with, but not smart enough to use something he has available to him every day to dispose of the body AND the car? And after 5+ searches in the trailer and clearly they moved everything...they just so happened to not move one piece of furniture and the keys were just hanging out behind that? The keys that don't contain her DNA though..just his. Odd.

The whole thing sounds like a setup to me. Either by the cops, by his nephew/Scott or possibly the ex-bf. All had sketchy alibi's. Cops were about to thrown in jail and have money taken from them forever basically (tarnished relationships, no further jobs, etc etc...you'd have to rehash every crime they've been involved in too in that county!!) and the nephew/Scott's timing doesn't add up and doesn't make sense when the bus driver would have a good idea of timing. They both just so happen to 'pass each other' giving them each a witness to where they were. How convenient. The ex-bf just so happens to know her password and things become deleted from her voicemail. Maybe he found out that she was romantic with that other guy/his-friend/her-roommate. Maybe he called her to say he was coming to see her and talk about it. Maybe the call was him saying something he shouldn't have.


...nothing to prove Avery did it. Sketchy evidence and timing for some 'key' pieces of evidence that still don't link him to her murder. They link him to her, but not her murder. I guess the bullet does, but again...convenient that it's found after TONS of searches and by none other that the person that's being deposed, not supposed to be there and a possible suspect (if they did their job correctly).

 

[TaraFirma]

Just finished the series.
I don't think he murdered her. And
I'm never going to manitowoc WI!!

 

[99cobrablack]

http://www.people.com/article/steve...kratz-says-netflix-series-forgot-key-evidence

 

[Buckwheat 1]

Imagine if Bill Cosby or OJ were tried in Manitowoc?

 

[Vigilante]

Only two episodes in, but **** THAT SHIT!!! Seriously, first thing the whole family should've done is sell everything and move the **** out of hick town. What a bunch of corrupt mother****ers...

Not that he is a good person inside killing animals, but hick towns will do that to you. Tucson is close enough to a hick town, I'm glad more people don't turn out like that from here.

 

[low03tb]

http://www.people.com/article/steve...kratz-says-netflix-series-forgot-key-evidence

This Katz character is also a sick ****. Sexting domestic abuse victims that he's currently helping. Not just one either! ...among other things

2. Some hick wanting to see a girl he thinks is cute isn't a crime. Nor is answering the door in a towel. Nor is calling her with *67. Creepy...yes...very, but not illegal. Doesn't make you a murderer. Maybe he called that last time after she left to tell her to come back for something. Who knows. It could literally be for any reason. One reason could be an alibi, but no one can prove that.

3. Talking about killing, raping, etc in jail is also creepy, but the guy was put away for 18 years for something he didn't do. I'm sure he had A LOOOT of built up anger, etc. He could also be trying to sound cool, fit in, etc. You don't know. This also doesn't make him a rapist, murderer, etc.

4. Why in the hell would someone that owns an incinerator and uses it consistently burn a body in the lawn instead?

5. Why in the hell would someone that owns a car crusher and used is daily leave an incriminating vehicle in plain site under a few twigs (what looks like an awful "im trying to hide this" job)? He had 5 days to make it unnoticeable and untraceable.

6. Who says he didn't touch her hood at some point? Who says the didn't plan fingerprints there? Either is possible and neither can be or was proven.

7. The bullet(s) could have been taken upon initial call out there/search or at an earlier date. It said they hunted quite a bit. Taking a bullet and rubbing it on someone who was or who you just murdered and planting it isn't impossible. Crazy how Lenk and local police found that bullet after MANY searches in that garage already. Same scenario as the key that just so happened to ONLY HAVE HER DNA ON IT. Sketchy. So he shot her in the garage, but they couldn't find a single drop of blood anywhere. Hell of a cleanup job! Full on Dexter in there

 

[ElscottHavoc]

The fact the vial of blood evide ce was tampered with at all is a huge suspicion in my opinion that something funky was going on. Then the sheriff was trying to explain the key they found and he made an interesting comment.

One of the officers had explained it must have fell on the floor when they moved the night stand and then later the crooked sheriff made a statement on the stand on the lines of "and I'd have to say when I moved the book case I was pretty hard on it and shook it". It was almost like he was going out of his way to justify how it must have came to fall and be seen in the floor because the other officer on trial made a guess that that was probably what happened.

Just the way he said it and his emphasis on shaking the night stand pretty roughly seems suspicious.

Guilty or not, the amount of tampering with evidence and what I think is obvious police corruption is pretty nuts.

 

[mavericks-03svt]

I saw it over Christmas vacation. Pretty crazy stuff even if only half of it is true. I am sure a lot of evidence was left out of the documentary but the LEO's, Attorneys and Judges all seem just as shady as any criminal I have hear of. I learned one valuable lesson, I will not visit Wisconsin for any reason.