350 Lawsuit
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That's what I've been telling them, but they don't seem to get it. Even when they bought the cars, a lot of the guys on this forum proudly talked about how they rather have heated and cooled leather seats over a more track focused car. They got what they happily paid for, now they're complaining and want to sue about it?
See the highlighted portion. That supports what I said earlier. The base and Tech are for people who will rarely ever rev out the engine or go WOT for anything more than a burnout. I believe Ford assumed that people who would opt for a base or Tech car aren't the type of people who are going to go all out on a track. And based on the people on this forum who opted for those cars, they proudly said they preferred "luxury" appointments [and image] above performance. They [not necessarily the people here] got what they wanted, and now they want to complain when it doesn't do what they didn't even buy it to do in the first place.
This is exactly correct? The car can go on track, but for extended use, it needs the coolers. How is this any different than the car overheating after 15 minutes of on track time?
15 minutes of hard driving isn't awful either, a lot of times you won't be able to run hard for that long, and if you do you can lengthen your time on track by short shifting on the straights and still attack the corners. That's the fun part anyway.
I actually have to agree.
At the last PCA event I attended at VIR, the track seasons for each group were only 20 minutes a piece with over an hour in between. (4 groups).
So in theory a base GT350 would be reaching its limit just at the end of your session and off to the pitting area you go for an hour. Plenty of time to cool down so really you may loose a lap?
Can we start a class action if the GT350 only gets 4mpg on track rather than the 14 city?
I got a book for track driving tips, car set up and a track day school with my Tech. Then Ford realized not including the transmission, coolers and ECM work for Tech guys was a problem; it's not just a couple of coolers as it said in all of the literature, it's a pallet of stuff. It absolutely is NOT $3100 of added content at the OEM level, and it is only minimal change in assembly time on the line. (Probably practically no adder as now the line is simplified)
How is it even arguable Ford did not intend the base and Tech cars to go on track? That's just silly talk. If we could figure it out, I'd bet more Tech cars end up on the track than R cars, BTW.
15 minutes is plenty when you include warm up and cool down. But people are not getting to 10 minutes. Obviously lots of factors in this (driver skill, weather, track etc) and even at that, not totally unexpected. They told us we needed coolers. They didn't tell us we need to replace our transmission!
How is it even arguable Ford did not intend the base and Tech cars to go on track? That's just silly talk. If we could figure it out, I'd bet more Tech cars end up on the track than R cars, BTW.
15 minutes is plenty when you include warm up and cool down. But people are not getting to 10 minutes. Obviously lots of factors in this (driver skill, weather, track etc) and even at that, not totally unexpected. They told us we needed coolers. They didn't tell us we need to replace our transmission!
No because manufacturers do not rate the MPG, that would be the EPA's system.
Now if Ford claimed it made 526hp and you could prove they make considerably less SAE HP.
https://www.svtperformance.com/foru...rmance-track-r-cooling-kit-delivered.1130990/
$3195 delivered to someone's door.
$3195 delivered to someone's door.
Yes, I know. I posted in that thread.
What's your point?
Here's my point- had Ford said we need $3200 worth of stuff, including a new trans, I'd have bought a Track. They said coolers were all you needed.
...and as a secondary point, plenty of people bought Tech cars with intent to take to trackdays.
What's your point?
Here's my point- had Ford said we need $3200 worth of stuff, including a new trans, I'd have bought a Track. They said coolers were all you needed.
...and as a secondary point, plenty of people bought Tech cars with intent to take to trackdays.
Then they bought the wrong car. Ford did tell you that you needed coolers for the track because they also offered a TRACK PACKAGE that includes the coolers.
My point being Ford stated you had to spend $3k for the oem cooler options to purchase the track pack i the same as purchasing the $3200 option after market for the same coolers.
People chose not to spend the extra money and now are mad because they don't have the coolers which they made a choice not to buy either before or after.
If you want to track your 350 you needed to spend an extra 3k dollars now people are pissed because it cost 3k to track a vehicle.
People chose not to spend the extra money and now are mad because they don't have the coolers which they made a choice not to buy either before or after.
If you want to track your 350 you needed to spend an extra 3k dollars now people are pissed because it cost 3k to track a vehicle.
The more I look at this I am of the opinion this argument from both sides is not focusing on the right issues.
This isn't about Ford deceptively marketing the base/tech package as a track ready car. It is about the lack of information available to the consumers on how limited the capabilities of a base/tech package truly were.
I think most could get behind that. Honestly there is no reason we should even be having this discussion surrounding the limitations with any iteration of the GT350.
This isn't about Ford deceptively marketing the base/tech package as a track ready car. It is about the lack of information available to the consumers on how limited the capabilities of a base/tech package truly were.
I think most could get behind that. Honestly there is no reason we should even be having this discussion surrounding the limitations with any iteration of the GT350.
I don't know, 50. I still can't get behind that argument. It would be one thing if there was just one GT350 version, and Ford touted it as being the best track Mustang ever, but it's a whole other story when they offered a package that is quite literally called a Track Package and an R package. Is it not fair to say that just about anybody using even just a tiny bit of logic would be able to decipher that the base car isn't as track capable as the [literal] Track Package car and the R package car?
I get where you are coming from for sure. But that is all subjective to the person. Does track mean autocross, HPDE, and timed laps? It just means different things to different people. Hence where all this issue comes from.
Look at it this way. If you or I could have walked into @13COBRA 's dealership and asked how long will this tech package last on track if I go 1-2 times a year and gotten a response about limp mode I would say the info was readily available. I can't think of any occasion where limp mode was ever mentioned or could have been asked about by a consumer prior to after cars got delivered. But that information was known about by Ford.
Again, not saying the lawsuit is right or wrong. Just the limitations of the tech package were implied, but never expressed.
If you, or anyone would've walked into my dealership and told me that you were even remotely interested in taking your GT350 to the track, I would've told you to get the Track package variant.
If you walked into my store and asked me how long you could tow a 11,000# trailer with your F-150, up and down hills, etc....before it went into limp mode, I would tell you that I had no idea; that doesn't mean Ford is misrepresenting anything.
Bottom line. If you want to track your vehicle you need to purchase track coolers. Ford offers them at 3k oem or 3200 aftermarket installation required to get the job done.
The people within the litigation are trying to add coolers without paying for price it costs to add them. To me this is fraud.
The people within the litigation are trying to add coolers without paying for price it costs to add them. To me this is fraud.
That response is based on your personal experience with the track. Not on what you knew about the actual limitations of the tech package. All those customers whose salesperson or manager didn't have track experience were left without that helpful advice.
I don't hold that ford misrepresented the tech package. Simply they did not put out all the information on how limited it was, which would have helped consumers at the time of purchase.
This is the only fair solution. Allow base/tech owners to buy the parts at cost, cover the install, and warranty them after since they are just OEM pieces. Nobody gets anything for free, just pays for what the car needs to live up to it's lineage
My first trip to the track will be on 4-20-2017.
That would be me speaking from common sense. Why buy a non-track car, if you want to track it? Wouldn't make any sense to me.
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