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Ford offered the Base and Tech cars to people who wanted a street cruiser; not a track warrior.
That's just not true at all. I got a book that says "Track Tips" with my Tech. Again. With my Tech. A book telling me how to best use my Tech at the track.
"ON THE TRACK
With oil coolers for the engine, transmission and differential, the GT350 Track Package and the GT350 R models are best equipped for extended on-track lapping at speed. The standard GT350 and GT350 Electronic Package certainly can be used on race tracks, but longer runs at high RPMs should be avoided."
It was also said in multiple places Ford would be offering a cooler kit for your Tech to bring it up to the level for "long runs at high RPMs".
That's just not true at all. I got a book that says "Track Tips" with my Tech. Again. With my Tech. A book telling me how to best use my Tech at the track.
"ON THE TRACK
With oil coolers for the engine, transmission and differential, the GT350 Track Package and the GT350 R models are best equipped for extended on-track lapping at speed. The standard GT350 and GT350 Electronic Package certainly can be used on race tracks, but longer runs at high RPMs should be avoided."
It was also said in multiple places Ford would be offering a cooler kit for your Tech to bring it up to the level for "long runs at high RPMs".
15 minutes of hard driving isn't awful either, a lot of times you won't be able to run hard for that long, and if you do you can lengthen your time on track by short shifting on the straights and still attack the corners. That's the fun part anyway.
Can we start a class action if the GT350 only gets 4mpg on track rather than the 14 city?
I got a book for track driving tips, car set up and a track day school with my Tech. Then Ford realized not including the transmission, coolers and ECM work for Tech guys was a problem; it's not just a couple of coolers as it said in all of the literature, it's a pallet of stuff. It absolutely is NOT $3100 of added content at the OEM level, and it is only minimal change in assembly time on the line. (Probably practically no adder as now the line is simplified)
How is it even arguable Ford did not intend the base and Tech cars to go on track? That's just silly talk. If we could figure it out, I'd bet more Tech cars end up on the track than R cars, BTW.
15 minutes is plenty when you include warm up and cool down. But people are not getting to 10 minutes. Obviously lots of factors in this (driver skill, weather, track etc) and even at that, not totally unexpected. They told us we needed coolers. They didn't tell us we need to replace our transmission!
Yes, I know. I posted in that thread.
What's your point?
Here's my point- had Ford said we need $3200 worth of stuff, including a new trans, I'd have bought a Track. They said coolers were all you needed.
...and as a secondary point, plenty of people bought Tech cars with intent to take to trackdays.
Yes, I know. I posted in that thread.
What's your point?
Here's my point- had Ford said we need $3200 worth of stuff, including a new trans, I'd have bought a Track. They said coolers were all you needed.
...and as a secondary point, plenty of people bought Tech cars with intent to take to trackdays.
I don't know, 50. I still can't get behind that argument. It would be one thing if there was just one GT350 version, and Ford touted it as being the best track Mustang ever, but it's a whole other story when they offered a package that is quite literally called a Track Package and an R package. Is it not fair to say that just about anybody using even just a tiny bit of logic would be able to decipher that the base car isn't as track capable as the [literal] Track Package car and the R package car?
I get where you are coming from for sure. But that is all subjective to the person. Does track mean autocross, HPDE, and timed laps? It just means different things to different people. Hence where all this issue comes from.I don't know, 50. I still can't get behind that argument. It would be one thing if there was just one GT350 version, and Ford touted it as being the best track Mustang ever, but it's a whole other story when they offered a package that is quite literally called a Track Package and an R package. Is it not fair to say that just about anybody using even just a tiny bit of logic would be able to decipher that the base car isn't as track capable as the [literal] Track Package car and the R package car?
I get where you are coming from for sure. But that is all subjective to the person. Does track mean autocross, HPDE, and timed laps? It just means different things to different people. Hence where all this issue comes from.
Look at it this way. If you or I could have walked into @13COBRA 's dealership and asked how long will this tech package last on track if I go 1-2 times a year and gotten a response about limp mode I would say the info was readily available. I can't think of any occasion where limp mode was ever mentioned or could have been asked about by a consumer prior to after cars got delivered. But that information was known about by Ford.
Again, not saying the lawsuit is right or wrong. Just the limitations of the tech package were implied, but never expressed.
That response is based on your personal experience with the track. Not on what you knew about the actual limitations of the tech package. All those customers whose salesperson or manager didn't have track experience were left without that helpful advice.If you, or anyone would've walked into my dealership and told me that you were even remotely interested in taking your GT350 to the track, I would've told you to get the Track package variant.
If you walked into my store and asked me how long you could tow a 11,000# trailer with your F-150, up and down hills, etc....before it went into limp mode, I would tell you that I had no idea; that doesn't mean Ford is misrepresenting anything.
Bottom line. If you want to track your vehicle you need to purchase track coolers. Ford offers them at 3k oem or 3200 aftermarket installation required to get the job done.
The people within the litigation are trying to add coolers without paying for price it costs to add them. To me this is fraud.
That response is based on your personal experience with the track. Not on what you knew about the actual limitations of the tech package. All those customers whose salesperson or manager didn't have track experience were left without that helpful advice.
I don't hold that ford misrepresented the tech package. Simply they did not put out all the information on how limited it was, which would have helped consumers at the time of purchase.