Anyone else frustrated with Ford over the next GT500?

[13COBRA]

Every year the GT500 has been produced there has been the previous year new model sitting on lots for purchase. Availability has never been an issue with the GT500 in the Tampa area, it's been dealers raping costumers.

Yep. But those cars that are left are either priced at a crazy ADM, or the dealer is keeping it. I see it all the time.

I'm guessing you haven't actually read the Dodge release on delivery of the Demon? ( http://www.motortrend.com/news/2018...-demon-allocation-plan-dissuades-price-hikes/ ).

If that's your guess, your guess is wrong. Like I've mentioned several times, withholding allocation based on the dealer's willingness to sell a vehicle at a specific price, will violate the franchise agreement.

Dealers are forced to stock inventory that have margins less than $200. Once you pay any type of floorplan, pay a commission, etc...these cars are losers. There are 25 times as many small margin cars as large margin vehicles sold.

Yes, when the Hellcat first came out they got crazy prices, but then Dodge finally stepped in and capped ADM to $8750...a salesman friend at Dodge was begging me to buy one last year as they had 17 sitting on his lot and couldn't get the new year in due to that unsold inventory.

Do you remember what Dodge said though? They said that the allocations would be based on the dealerships ability to sell at volume (in theory at lower prices). Well, it didn't work, because dealers sold at huge markups quickly, at the beginning of the production year.

Again, you can't compare Dodge or GM to Ford. Dodge/GM is notorious for overproducing, flooding the market, and then offering STEEP discounts.

If we could just get everyone with more money than brains to stop paying this damn ADM then maybe the dealers would actually sell at MSRP. I bought my 09 GT500, 10 Raptor and 13 GT500 at or below MSRP...you just have to be patient or have luck (my 13 was ordered by someone who couldn't pay for it, lol).

Until Ford produces the amount of specialty vehicles that GM/Dodge produces, then it doesn't matter.

Look at the Raptor compared to the Dodge Rebel; same thing.

 

[DepWraith]

I wouldn't call Dodge's Demon run of 3,000 larger than the average of 5,500 GT500/GT350's that are being produced each year. I do think that by Dodge giving order and delivery priority to MSRP or lower will in fact curb most of the ADM we have been seeing...who will pay $10k or more for a car they will get WAY AFTER someone who paid MSRP gets theirs?

P.S. Like your Viper.

 

[conceptmachine]

More spy video footage and inside(he said she said) info leaked. Some are saying 800+HP.
I'm hearing they are testing multiple engines. There could possibly be 2 engine choices or 2 different mustang offerings.

 

[BlksvtCobra01]

I'm sure they have something up there sleeve. Imho their smart for waiting till Dodge and GM dropped the Demon and ZL1.


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[13COBRA]

I wouldn't call Dodge's Demon run of 3,000 larger than the average of 5,500 GT500/GT350's that are being produced each year. I do think that by Dodge giving order and delivery priority to MSRP or lower will in fact curb most of the ADM we have been seeing...who will pay $10k or more for a car they will get WAY AFTER someone who paid MSRP gets theirs?

P.S. Like your Viper.

I guess we just look at it two different ways. How many 2016/17 Challenger Hellcats are left on the lots? I would venture to guess, quite a bit more than the GT350's.

I look at the Demon much like the GT350R. Yes, it is more or less a separate trim line; but it demands a higher premium and will have lower production than it's alternative (Hellcat/GT350).

I love what Dodge is doing right now in their performance segment. But I also know that Ford, for quite some time, has dominated creating enough demand then keeping their supply at a level where they don't have to have 20% off sales in order to move the inventory (Z06).

This is an exciting time to be into fast cars.

Thanks, I happen to like it quite a bit. I think the only thing I would replace it with is a new ACR-E...just not worth the $150k to me to 'upgrade' to something that will run VERY comparable laps to my current Gen IV.

 

[13COBRA]

We're all wrong...

http://speedtwitch.com/source-fords-next-shelby-gt500-will-be-powered-by-na-7-0l-v8-powerplant/

 

[Fourcam380]

Time will tell. Kudos to FCA/Dodge again. The wide body hellcat chally was a smart move as well.

 

[ZYBORG]

Oh wow.

 

[Breitling]

7.0L NA & 700HP?

 

[Willie2]

Random thought: sell these NA then later come out with Power Package 1, 2, 3 that are 49 state legal through FP.

 

[tones_RS3]

Long Wait? I'm not sure what you mean by this.

Okay,...........just so we're on the same page here,...........we're talking about the "potentially" new GT500 here, not the GT350 cars.
What year was the last GT500 produced? What year are we currently in?
So, we're going on about 4 years with no GT500, right? That's a long time if you ask me.

 

[ON D BIT]

The GT350 was the replacement for the GT500. They were both designed engineered by SVT/FP. Team mustang a seperate entity have created the bullitts mach 1 and boss mustang these last 15 years or so.

 

[thePill]

The GT350 was the replacement for the GT500. They were both designed engineered by SVT/FP. Team mustang a seperate entity have created the bullitts mach 1 and boss mustang these last 15 years or so.

No

 

[ON D BIT]

Yes

 

[thePill]

Yes

Nope.

The GT350's first order of business was to assume the Motorsport role the Boss 302 would leave behind. In fact, the 350 was developed on track behind the 2014 season because the Boss would be illegal in IMSA after 2015.

SVT and Ford Racing were merged and the 350 was a product of that merger.

There hasn't been a force induced Mustang built to replace the last one. The GT500's mission is a HALO mission and other companies seem to be profitable with the Demon/Hellcat and ZL1LE.


So... no, the 350 is not the 500 replacement.

 

[ON D BIT]

Yes it was. Unless you're trying to say the SVT engineered and built the 12-13 boss mustangs?


The GT350 was built by the same team that built the 93-04, 07-18...mustang SVT's now called Ford Performance!

Edit: I just went back to look at the press releases from Ford on the 12 Boss the 11 GT500 and the 13 GT500. With the 11 and 13 mustangs SVT was on both press releases multiple times. Not one mention of svt on the 12 Boss introduction.

 

[thePill]

Yes it was. Unless you're trying to say the SVT engineered and built the 12-13 boss mustangs?


The GT350 was built by the same team that built the 93-04, 07-18...mustang SVT's now called Ford Performance!

I am aware who built it.

The GT350 directly assumed the role AND was developed on track in IMSA, to replace the Boss 302.

The GT350's MSRP was lower than the GT500 and the R was about the same as the GT500SVTP. That is where the similarities end.

Ford Racing was primarily responsible for the Boss 302 and it was merged with SVT and Ford Performance. The Motorsport role took priority and did not include the GT500. Any budget that included a GT500 car before is still wide open as Motorsport is a separate budget altogether and, inherently more important than the HALO Mustang role.

The engine (or drivetrain altogether) is the only real drag on the old SVT budget. One of the main reason Voodoo's cannot be used in Motorsport now is because those additional engines are not in the UAW Contract at Romeo. So, in order to fulfill the unforeseen amount of GT4 engines used, the Motorsport branch developed the CPC version.

That's why Ford can bring us a GT350 or Boss 302's for very little. They were born directly from the Motorsport Program.

Besides, there IS a demand for Force Induction Pony Cars. We cannot deny that... the only reasons we wait longer is.

1.) Port Direct Injection was needed

2.) Ford chose the F150/GT to get that first

3.) The GT500 is tied to the GT350 program from the waist down. The Ecoboost V8 being developed should be well over 800hp.

4.) Both GT350 and GT500 were offshoots of Project Silver in 2014. In which the Flat Plane Crank V8 was derived as well as an Ecoboost V8.

When Project Silver split, the GT350 AND the GT500's were born. The GT500's (now 800hp) V8 required PDI to accomplish. Remember thePill specifically said "808" right? Dodge took that very number

There has always been intention, at least from 2014 Project Silver, to make TWO cars. In fact, 2017 was suppose to be the GT500's year and then Dodge came with 808 and PDI went to the GT first.

 

[ON D BIT]

SVT now Called Ford Performance engineered and created both the GT500 and GT350.

Another team originally called Team Mustang in which engineered and created the 01 Bullit, 03 Mach 1, 08 Bullitt, and 12 Boss Mustangs.

How can you dispute any of this Pill?

 

[thePill]

SVT now Called Ford Performance engineered and created both the GT500 and GT350.

Another team originally called Team Mustang in which engineered and created the 01 Bullit, 03 Mach 1, 08 Bullitt, and 12 Boss Mustangs.

How can you dispute any of this Pill?

Simple.

The GT350 directly assumed the Boss 302's role. Doesn't matter who built the S197, all those departments were merged.

It was determined in 2014 after PROJECT SILVER that Motorsport took priority and they chose to replace the Boss 302.

There is currently NO GT500 replacement.


The information you provided was incorrect. No debating, there is currently no GT500 replacement in production. The GT350 was developed, on track, in IMSA by the very forces that pushed the Boss 302 through development.

 

[ON D BIT]

Simple: SVT built the GT500 and then built the GT350.

Just as SVT built the 03 Mustang Cobras and then built the GT500.

Same difference!