Anyone else frustrated with Ford over the next GT500?
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No one is scared of the GT350 because it is slower than a 2018 GT with the auto. It is a full second slower in the quarter mile than a ZL1 and it's a toss up on a road course with a normal ZL1 (not 1LE) and the GT350R. It also cost considerably more than the 2018 GT or ZL1. Unless you are a brand loyalist (which is totally cool), then there are other options. The GT350 sounds nicer.
I don't get the negative comment about ZL1's at a discount. As a buyer, what would you prefer? I got $7000 under MSRP on mine, which is why I didn't even consider a GT350 even though I'm a lifetime Mustang guy.
Light to light straight line acceleration is not the only one aspect of a performance vehicle.
I think your perception is way out of kilter. Also, I think your definition of a long time might be different then mine. It's has just barely been 2 years since since the Hellcat Challenger came out... and that was just equal to the 13/14 GT500 and only if you put aftermarket tires on it. It took the $100,000 Demon that was just released (and only 3,300 of them total) to dethrone the GT500 with regard to straight-line pulls from a dig. And that was maybe 6 months ago.
The truth is in the stock for stock world, unless by some wild and improbable chance that you may happen to stumble across a street driven Demon among the 160 million cars on the road, the 13/14 GT500 is still King. The Hellcats have to get modded to run from a dig because they can't hook up.
Ford holds the performance crown in every compact and mid-size middle class vehicle category in American. Stock for stock in the American market, you have to spend $100K to out-perform a Mustang. Regardless of what the reviews say, the Mustang is spanking the snot out of Chevy and Dodge when it comes to total races won.
Interesting point, but most of us don't drive a "portfolio of vehicles." I also think that only a handful of the folks that read their Motortrend magazine cover to cover every month care about a Focus RS and a Ford GT. Interesting cars, but not many people on this forum care or will ever own one.
I agree that Ford chose to focus on other vehicles, but when I was ready to buy something Ford didn't have anything to sell me. It is going to be a long wait for the GT500 to hit the streets and be available to people that don't want to pay ADM.
I never buy first year vehicles... so for me, if I do decide I want one, it will be 2 years from now. I think to skip ADM, we may end up waiting for the used market to open up.
This was posted over on another forum.
ZL1 A10
¼ mile: 11.5 sec @ 125.0 mph
Braking, 60-0 mph: 96 ft
Figure eight: 23.1 sec @0.91 g (avg)
http://www.motortrend.com/cars/chev...olet-camaro-zl1-first-test-brute-squad-goals/
ZL1 M6
¼ mile: 11.8 sec @ 123.9 mph
Braking, 60-0 mph: 97 ft
Figure eight: 23.2 sec @0.89 g (avg)
http://www.motortrend.com/cars/ford/...gt350r-review/
Hellcat A8
¼ mile: 11.7 sec @ 125.4 mph
Braking, 60-0 mph: 109 ft
Figure eight: 24.7 sec @0.85 g (avg)
http://www.motortrend.com/cars/dodge/challenger/2015/2015-dodge-challenger-srt-hellcat-first-test/
2013 GT500
¼ mile: 11.6 sec @ 125.7 mph
Braking, 60-0 mph: 101 ft
Figure eight: 24.2 sec @0.80 g (avg)
Cost: $64,770 (2013) plus ADM
http://www.motortrend.com/cars/ford/shelby-gt500/2013/2013-ford-shelby-gt500-first-test/
HellcatM6
Standing ¼ mile: 11.9 sec @ 124 mph
Braking, 70-0 mph: 154 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.91 g
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2015-dodge-challenger-srt-hellcat-manual-test-review
ZL1 A10
¼ mile: 11.5 sec @ 125.0 mph
Braking, 60-0 mph: 96 ft
Figure eight: 23.1 sec @0.91 g (avg)
http://www.motortrend.com/cars/chev...olet-camaro-zl1-first-test-brute-squad-goals/
ZL1 M6
¼ mile: 11.8 sec @ 123.9 mph
Braking, 60-0 mph: 97 ft
Figure eight: 23.2 sec @0.89 g (avg)
http://www.motortrend.com/cars/ford/...gt350r-review/
Hellcat A8
¼ mile: 11.7 sec @ 125.4 mph
Braking, 60-0 mph: 109 ft
Figure eight: 24.7 sec @0.85 g (avg)
http://www.motortrend.com/cars/dodge/challenger/2015/2015-dodge-challenger-srt-hellcat-first-test/
2013 GT500
¼ mile: 11.6 sec @ 125.7 mph
Braking, 60-0 mph: 101 ft
Figure eight: 24.2 sec @0.80 g (avg)
Cost: $64,770 (2013) plus ADM
http://www.motortrend.com/cars/ford/shelby-gt500/2013/2013-ford-shelby-gt500-first-test/
HellcatM6
Standing ¼ mile: 11.9 sec @ 124 mph
Braking, 70-0 mph: 154 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.91 g
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2015-dodge-challenger-srt-hellcat-manual-test-review
So by saying that you are saying that only you matter basically. You only want a Mustang so screw those other guys who have been waiting decades for an RS and over a decade for another FGT. The last top dog Mustang came out just 4 years ago, yet you are still saying Ford should only focus on the Mustang and pleasing the Mustang base. Am I hearing that right?
I am not saying "only I matter." I was using myself as an example of what most people on a heavily Mustang focused website in the 2019+ Shelby GT500 Mustang subforum are probably feeling.
The thread title is:
Anyone else frustrated with Ford over the next GT500?
I got frustrated to the point that I left the brand. I did my research and I got to the point that I put my money where my mouth is. I'm very happy that I did.
Apparently, you aren't frustrated. That is great.
I'm not frustrated at all because I have always loved Fords for all of the vehicles they produce, not just the Mustang. I enjoy the dynamic that the manufacturers face and I like seeing Ford do well in every market because the better they do in every aspect of business the better chance we will get at more insanely powered Mustangs or other special vehicles. Not to be a complete asshole, but I really don't feel sorry for you for a 1st world problem. Do you have ADHD by chance?
Sorry friend this isn't about other vehicles hence the title of this thread....
Meh. A tenth or two for a car optimized to run the 1/4 mile vs one that can do everything else better, and I wonder what that race would look like at a half mile. Besides... the GT350 isn't a car you buy just to go fast in a straight line. Figured that was common knowledge by now. LolNo one is scared of the GT350 because it is slower than a 2018 GT with the auto. It is a full second slower in the quarter mile than a ZL1 and it's a toss up on a road course with a normal ZL1 (not 1LE) and the GT350R. It also cost considerably more than the 2018 GT or ZL1. Unless you are a brand loyalist (which is totally cool), then there are other options. The GT350 sounds nicer.
I don't get the negative comment about ZL1's at a discount. As a buyer, what would you prefer? I got $7000 under MSRP on mine, which is why I didn't even consider a GT350 even though I'm a lifetime Mustang guy.
And if you want that, simply add a blower. Several kits are out there...
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Whether you agree or not is irrelevant. Its fact.
Here is stock ls flow, stock coyote, and stock 4v flow...
Well, seems like you don’t know how to interpret head flow that well.
The DOHC flow is much better at low/mid lift and you’re only at peak flow once and all other points twice, so area under the curve significantly improved with the Coyote. Plus those are 2011-14 numbers and the ‘15-17 is 10-15 intake/5-10 exhaust better not to mention the GT350 and 2018 heads.
Combine that with more valve area and put that better flowing, larger valve area head on a smaller 5.0-5.2 motor and it beats the LS
then add boost and advantage Ford.
I’ll keep the boosted Coyote based engine for my build.
-J
The DOHC flow is much better at low/mid lift and you’re only at peak flow once and all other points twice, so area under the curve significantly improved with the Coyote. Plus those are 2011-14 numbers and the ‘15-17 is 10-15 intake/5-10 exhaust better not to mention the GT350 and 2018 heads.
Combine that with more valve area and put that better flowing, larger valve area head on a smaller 5.0-5.2 motor and it beats the LS
then add boost and advantage Ford.
I’ll keep the boosted Coyote based engine for my build.
-J
It's not a tenth or two....it is almost a full second. That is bus lengths in the quarter and will be more bus lengths by the 1/2. The normal ZL1 ran a faster lap at Willow Springs than a GT350R. This isn't the ZL1 1LE.
It's simply a faster car for less money.
http://www.motortrend.com/cars/ford...1-vs-2017-ford-mustang-shelby-gt350r-review/#
It's simply a faster car for less money.
http://www.motortrend.com/cars/ford...1-vs-2017-ford-mustang-shelby-gt350r-review/#
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No one is scared of the GT350 because it is slower than a 2018 GT with the auto. It is a full second slower in the quarter mile than a ZL1 and it's a toss up on a road course with a normal ZL1 (not 1LE) and the GT350R. It also cost considerably more than the 2018 GT or ZL1. Unless you are a brand loyalist (which is totally cool), then there are other options. The GT350 sounds nicer.
I don't get the negative comment about ZL1's at a discount. As a buyer, what would you prefer? I got $7000 under MSRP on mine, which is why I didn't even consider a GT350 even though I'm a lifetime Mustang guy.
Those cars are at a discount because nobody wants them. That’s why they sell for less money than the “gutless” as you say GT350.
Yes the 350 is slower on the street than the 13 500, yet it’s selling better, and the reviews were way stronger often being compare to Porsche and Ferrari from a pure driving standpoint.
That sucks. Today’s competition merely keeps competitive with the Ford from 6 years ago...wow.
Spent the weekend at the IMSA races in Sebring Florida. I can't share who but I'll paraphrase - the cars being tested, at least those out in Arizona, are DCT equipped. I inquired about any manual transmission variant and got an empty stare which I took as no. As I figured, DCT transmissions are being assembled in Belgium. Units are being serviced in Wixom (which didn't make sense to me as I though they weren't up and running yet but may at least be able to do repair work). I asked if a one piece fiber shaft was coming and it sounds like they are still being tested and heard talk about twisted two-piece steel units. Fingers are crossed that we see a cf shaft on the production car.
How is the the brake distance of M6 HC 40% longer than A8?
I never said gutless. I just pointed out that a 2018 GT with an A10 smokes it. Interpret that as you will.
I think think you are confusing getting raped by dealers compared to a natural supply/demand environment.
Yeah right, beats the solid axle GT500 in a straight line and beats the GT350RRRRR at the road course.
You guys live in freaking fantasy (fanboy) land.
it s a super fun car. anyone that says otherwise hasn't driven one, or driven it hard.
I wouldn't trade it for anything currently available on the market shy of 125k.
sure it's not a straight line monster but it's no slouch. just right amount of fun...all in a NA package. don't get me wrong, another 75 HP and TQ would be the bomb.
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I’m a lot younger than most of you and won’t be able to afford any of this these cars for a long time, but I’ve been blessed to own what I’ve owned. Everyone ragging on Ford fails to see just how great a manufacturer they are and how well they’ve done in Motorsports since it began.
You compare an 18 GT with an auto that has a drag mode to a lighter manual track car, apples and potatoes??
People rag on Ford about the mod motors yet most everyone else runs OHC and now Chevy will probably go to is soon. Same thing with aluminum bodies. Ford has pretty much always been on the leading/cutting edge. You say who cares about the Ford GT, did you really think that sentence through when you typed it?? You’re saying Ford should’ve made a demon competitor instead of going and winning LeMans?? The New Ford GT will go down in history with the ones that came before.
I’ve been raised on Fords and love them. I also respect what other manufacturers have done and I’m not blind to the mistakes Ford has made. Goodness
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You compare an 18 GT with an auto that has a drag mode to a lighter manual track car, apples and potatoes??
People rag on Ford about the mod motors yet most everyone else runs OHC and now Chevy will probably go to is soon. Same thing with aluminum bodies. Ford has pretty much always been on the leading/cutting edge. You say who cares about the Ford GT, did you really think that sentence through when you typed it?? You’re saying Ford should’ve made a demon competitor instead of going and winning LeMans?? The New Ford GT will go down in history with the ones that came before.
I’ve been raised on Fords and love them. I also respect what other manufacturers have done and I’m not blind to the mistakes Ford has made. Goodness
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