Not true, I have called virtually every demon owner and the results are 72.86% are parked. You answered my call, don’t you remember?
10.8@127mph - 4200lbs race weight
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Not true, I have called virtually every demon owner and the results are 72.86% are parked. You answered my call, don’t you remember?
And he’s never been to the strip....it’s too far he whines.
Closest 1/4 mile track to me is over 200 miles away. Sorry I am not putting 400 miles on my Demon every time I want to "run" her. Would you? And I don't trailer cars to/from.
Secondarily...are you even in the market for a GT500? You're in every thread hyper posting. I have a Demon. I may get a GT500. You're not even getting laid.
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That braking stat on the demon is useless, only stops that fast with the nittos on the front, what point is there comparing stopping distance when it cant turn or do it repeatedly.
That’s right you don’t care for the car, all it is, is status to you. I wonder why?
Not that far at all. 2-3 trips a season wouldn’t be bad. I’ve done this the last couple years. The road trip is half the fun I think. These cars and all cars are meant to be driven. No sense in keeping the miles down for someone else.
THIS
I live in the North East, Atco/MIR/Cecil dragway all within a a simple drive and attend any that is open for my schedule. the fastest 100% stock demon ive seen around here, in the Super -DA and awesome track prep, is 10.1/131mph at cecil.
The average Joe isnt dropping $75k at a single time on a car to drag race. The average Joe is dropping 15-25k on the car and adding to it as they can, totaling about $20-30k all in, for a much much MUCH faster car than high 9s.
Can a Dodge lover explain to me the differences between a base/hellcat/redeye/demon ? I mean, im just trying to see why not buy lower, do what the average joe can do, and build a base, +blower+suspension+wheels/tires and still go as fast, if not faster.
At least the mustangs are independent of eachother enough to not be considered the same
uhh.. excatly.. but didnt you mod one? buy the fastest production car ever, that no one can replicate.. and not even be faster than a gt+blower? doesnt sound logical
soo, you agree, 95% of demon owners bought it to hard park and claim fast stock, not race?
I mean 200 miles away isnt a big deal for the fastest streetcar available... wasnt that the point, buy it, drive to the track, race it, go 9.6 and drive home? Seems it does 0 of that well. Id lemon that car if i were you
Depends where you’re at I guess. In the area I live seeing 100k + cars isn’t uncommon and those guys love their cars and coffee events taking their garage queens out.
The hell cat variants to the average joe aren’t any more or less distinguishable then the mustang or Camarro variants.
Sure you could buy a scat pack wide body and build it to be better then a demon, but it’ll likely still lack some of its drivability, and it’ll definitely lack its value as a limited run car. For some that’s not a big deal and is half the fun of a weekend project car, but more and more people as dodge is seeing it want turn key that they don’t have to bother with.
Even more people seem to have more money then they know what to do with or just like being in debt and buy any of these cars available today lol. The price is fair market value against its peers. Are we really going to sit back and say the GT500 is worth likely 100+ after adm and what not? No, but people will buy it because they want to have it and don’t want to build a GT to be faster.
Modding the car to go faster straight line is relatively easy, in some cases expensive, but can be done without significant pain.
Modding the car to turn better is usually limited. Can you make a mustang GT go like hell? Sure. Can you widen the car to accommodate larger wheels/tires? Not without significant cost and pain. To that end, THAT is where the main value in cars like the 500 and the 350 come into play. Everything else can be swapped, upgraded (blower, rear, trans, drive shafts, wheels, etc, etc) but the real pain comes from starting point limitations of the car. So I agree, whatever the 500 will be, it may be overpriced to begin with, but as a starting platform, it comes with massive brakes and a wider stance. Can you add/upgrade huge brakes on a GT? Maybe, depending on the suspension geometry and whether it will accommodate 20" wheels (11 and 11.5) remains to be seen.
I guess what I'm saying is that having been the guy who bought a GT and did a bunch of go fast work (heads, intake, blower, trans, rear, driveshaft, slicks and skinnies) all that stuff is expensive, but when I started to try to improve the handling and braking characteristics of the car, it became clear that a GT is an inferior starting platform.
I've graduated to a more complete driving experience. I started to realize there's always someone faster. You can dump all the money you want into a car and there's always someone with more. And despite the recent comments in this thread, there are THOUSANDS of guys out there who run deep 9's and 8's, probably tens of thousands. One need only go on youtube to see all the street monsters and race nuts driving everything from crazy vettes, vipers, GTR's, mustangs, camaros, LAMBOS, etc, etc, etc. The days where a "10 second car" (in cheezy Dom voice) is special are long gone. There are guys running around with 1000 hp ALL DAY LONG in cars that weigh a shit ton less than a 4500 lb Demon.
To me, THAT is why the Demon isn't a very special car. You pay $80k+ for a car that seems fast to about 90% of the car enthusiast population, but when you really dig into it, you realize there are so many guys that are completely hardcore that you're gonna get your feelings hurt the first time a guy with $40k dumped into his vette laughs at you on the interstate.
I think the Trackhawk is a much more unique and special car. You don't see SUV's that run like that everyday. Guys that run 9's are pretty common nowadays.
And for the previous comments, there are shops like Lebanon Ford that offer a 19 GT with a dealer warrantied Twin kit that are running 8's. Not 9's. 8's. WITH WARRANTY for mid $50's.
I think the whole car enthusiast segment is saturated with go fast in a straight line stuff. Which is why it's MY OPINION that the Demon is a one hit wonder that falls short. The new "different" is cars that are all around drivers and experience. Sure the whole throw you back in your seat and roll racing, stoplight jaunts is still going to be the main thing, but I think most guys grow out of that when they realize, there are STREET cars trapping 190+ easy at the Texas mile and events where TONS of guys show up with cars that embarrass stock to slightly modified Demons.
Oh I won’t dissagree there are many better more we’ll roubded options but the prices jump very fast and start becoming far out of reach for everyone to run out and buy.
It seems dodge knows there is still a great many who just want to tool around in something quick enter scat pack, he’ll cat and maybe even red eye. The demon I think is it’s own unique case and just appeals to a certain person that the majority of us may not be.
Me personally if I were to buy something right now it would be a red eye wide body, even if I had the cash for a demon because I’m more interested in driving on the street and I’d want something I can slap a pulley and tune and maybe some other bolt ons to just enjoy.
If I were looking to do track days though like you said I’d likely be headed over to ford for a gt350/500 offering as I’d know it’s made for the road course. I just think a very limited amount of buyers will utilize it for such.
You also hit the nail on the head with the trackhawk, that really is a special offering that me personally had I not needed a truck I was cross shopping them. The wife already has an suv so I went home with a lowly ram lol.
I try not even to think of the cars you see online in all those vids from Texas 2k18 and so on. They are far out of my affordability and make more power then I could dream to keep up with. Having friends that attend those events in their GTRs and UGR lambos, they really make up a small minority of the car scene anyway. Few people are shelling out 200k plus for a car, then another 100k + for a full build and TT set up. It’s frankly not even fair to stack the demon against them.
It seems dodge knows there is still a great many who just want to tool around in something quick enter scat pack, he’ll cat and maybe even red eye. The demon I think is it’s own unique case and just appeals to a certain person that the majority of us may not be.
Me personally if I were to buy something right now it would be a red eye wide body, even if I had the cash for a demon because I’m more interested in driving on the street and I’d want something I can slap a pulley and tune and maybe some other bolt ons to just enjoy.
If I were looking to do track days though like you said I’d likely be headed over to ford for a gt350/500 offering as I’d know it’s made for the road course. I just think a very limited amount of buyers will utilize it for such.
You also hit the nail on the head with the trackhawk, that really is a special offering that me personally had I not needed a truck I was cross shopping them. The wife already has an suv so I went home with a lowly ram lol.
I try not even to think of the cars you see online in all those vids from Texas 2k18 and so on. They are far out of my affordability and make more power then I could dream to keep up with. Having friends that attend those events in their GTRs and UGR lambos, they really make up a small minority of the car scene anyway. Few people are shelling out 200k plus for a car, then another 100k + for a full build and TT set up. It’s frankly not even fair to stack the demon against them.
I'm not comparing the crazy Texas 2k guys, but what I'm saying is that there's a TON of guys running around in 1000 hp+ vettes, vipers, GTRs, mustangs, camaros, etc. As I stated earlier, I have YET to be at a drag strip and see a Demon be the fastest car there. Between the old school guys and their notchbacks, trailered cars, etc and the new guys with their 1000hp monsters, there's a ton of crazy cars out there.
You don't get it. You can't modify a car to be limited from the factory and a special piece of automotive history.
WAKE UP BROTHER! Dodge made the Demon to be a factory warrantied DRAG CAR that you can drive on the street. What part of that don't you get? Has any other manufacturer in the HISTORY of CARS released a Street Legal Drag Car that did 9's, had a warranty and you could walk into a dealership and buy it?
You do realize the Demon will be seen as 10000x more special and significant in automotive history than the new GT500. The 500 will just be the fastest most powerful Shelby to date, but it won't do ANYTHING legendary. It just won't.
And for you guys saying all-around-cars are better. Why can't Chevy GIVE AWAY the ZL1 1LE and why did Demons sell out? We live in America. Last time I checked, majority of the time we are on highway's going straight. Once you get TONS of power in a car, you're looking for the twisties, you're looking for a place to open her up.
All you Demon shit talkers, have you ever been in one? Anyone near NYC? I'll happily take you for a ride so you can see how awesome it is...and how well it actually handles.
Oh I do t dissagree that it wouldn’t be the fastest at the track. All I’m saying is that to be able to buy a turn key 9 second capable car from the factory has its place in the market and is special.
9s for a full on street car still isn’t slow and while maybe you haven’t seen them at a local track, a whole slew of them ran 9s last week. Many even stock down to the nitto drag radial.
From reading the hellcat forum it appears to man a lot of the guys that bought the demon were older and haven’t built cars in many years but found this one appealing to them.
It’ll be interesting to see how value goes for these cars moving forward but I’d guess they will retain price or maybe even appreciate over time thanks to a mini following they have.
The other question is, what other stock cars under 100k right now are running 9s? Hell even with a tire? I’d guess not many to choose from.
Exactly. There’s something to be said for buying the car and driving to the track to run anything 9’s. Without changing anything. And this car will hold its value more so than a mass produced modified run of the mill gt mustang or scat pack etc. Just look at the equity everyone has in the their 13 GT500 vs a 13 gt at this point. That means a lot to some, including me. I for one can appreciate the rarity of the car while killing it at the track.
Special because it’s a drag racer then tell people it handles too. Which is it?
Why did you buy if you weren’t going to drag it?
You just wanted to tell people you had the fastest car. Pretty nifty!
you mean, Drive it to the track. Change front tires take out seats drive it, put seats and front tires back on drive home.
Shit, running 9's in the quarter mile is not fast anymore???
I think that's fast. Whether it 9.3 or 9.9,.........running 9's is very fast for a street car.
with a warranty too... I dont ****ing get it. Dodge made it pretty clear the mid 9 was one hell of a hero run. A low 10/high 9 second car with a warranty is ****ing amazing.
Was basing it on the all stock nitto run. 9.99 is still 9’s. And quicker than I’ve ever accomplished. Lol. Isn’t the nitto full weight time 9.8 @136? I’d take that for sure in gt500 trim. And if you are not taking this car to the track, not certain about the purchase at that point.
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