5.0 Fox vs 97 Cobra.. Who wins?
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Heres directly off his avatar hes over on the stangnet.com forums,His names bryan, he has dyno sheets pictures time slips,videos,He has popped the hood for me several times, very honest nice kid, very nice car, and very nasty driver. and sounds like a exaust only 5.0 when started the motor / engine bay looks stock as can be, hes not hideing anything just a very good driver
1989 LX: Stock Heads (GT40 valves UNported)/Stock cam/Cobra Intake, Exhaust, 3.73s, lowered, 18" DD Bullitts.
BEST: Not necessarily the same passes.
SLICKS: ET: 12.56 MPH: 107.2
17" ET Streets: ET: 12.53 MPH: 108.5
17" DRs: ET: 12.87 MPH: 111.5
18" Radials: ET: 12.95 MPH: 109.2
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Yes I personally kno him,He is friends with all the local mustang guys im friends with, like steven stated, he runs is cars with his dad and brother in factory stock class, him and his dad and brother are ALMOST PERFECT DRIVERS! this kid drives his 5 speed like its an automatic, he is very impressive to say the least, all of his cars run crazy times he pulls 1.4-1.5/1.6 60'' foots he drives the hell out of the car! and I can personally tell you nothing fishy about his car, ive seen it and he has exactly what mods listed still stock heads cam and motor , just very good free mods tweaks, bolt ons, no back seat, light fox slicks and he drives it like he stole it lol and very good tune on it making most power he can make out of his setup.
all it takes is 200rwhp in a light car n/a to break in the 12's with traction tire/ gears and a nasty driver behind the wheel hes pretty much the 5.0 version of what import guys do with k20's in a gutted honda crx lol doesnt take much when u have perfect traction , he would even prob destory me and I MAKE about 100 more rwhp then him being i prob cant cut better than a 2.0 60 ft.
Hes living proof mustangs can to have power to weight dont need alot of power and built motors or turbos ect, his 1st goal was to prove you can get a stock motor 5.0 deep in 12's he proved everyone wrong that said it cant be done, now he wants to get in the 11's to show people it can be done to. I guess his next goal is 4.10 gears, get more seat time and get the 60 foot down more hes hopeing for high 11's I hope to see it aswell always good to see guys set goals that people cant belive can be done
all it takes is 200rwhp in a light car n/a to break in the 12's with traction tire/ gears and a nasty driver behind the wheel hes pretty much the 5.0 version of what import guys do with k20's in a gutted honda crx lol doesnt take much when u have perfect traction , he would even prob destory me and I MAKE about 100 more rwhp then him being i prob cant cut better than a 2.0 60 ft.
Hes living proof mustangs can to have power to weight dont need alot of power and built motors or turbos ect, his 1st goal was to prove you can get a stock motor 5.0 deep in 12's he proved everyone wrong that said it cant be done, now he wants to get in the 11's to show people it can be done to. I guess his next goal is 4.10 gears, get more seat time and get the 60 foot down more hes hopeing for high 11's I hope to see it aswell always good to see guys set goals that people cant belive can be done
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No offense but 12.59@107mph is a long ways from a 11 second slip. I do not see him running 11's with that trap speed either.
Nohrspwr from corral
Stock Gt40P Mountaineer motor with a stock mustang speed density cam...11.80-90's in the quarter
A 302 can run deep in the 12's and high 11's with basically nothing performance wise as long as the car is on point
Stock Gt40P Mountaineer motor with a stock mustang speed density cam...11.80-90's in the quarter
A 302 can run deep in the 12's and high 11's with basically nothing performance wise as long as the car is on point
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I have faith he can pull it off in time...
all it will take is for him to finish his suspension mods, larger slicks and add skinnies up front, and put in his 4.10 or 4.30 gears, and do longtube headers and get more seat time with that setup and gears and keep driving it like he stole it he can drop his 60 foot down in the 1.4's I can see a 11.8-12.0
oke:we will see I remember this exact convo he had when he ran 13.0's people were doubting him to go mid 12's, and now hes down in the mid 12's, I even think he finally got a 12.40 pass last time out to the track not sure though. I kno his new goal is them mods. with that new setup thats adding ,20 prob hp dropping prob another 100lbs more traction, I can deff see with gears and slicks high 11's.next time I see him I will ask him of his progress with his car!
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If you wanna see an impressive 302, look up Jay Allens Red Death :rockon::rockon:
The best part about that car is that it isn't a gutted pile. I actually used to vote for that car @ the mustangs unlimited car show in manchester. That is one of my favorite LX's.
Not to threadjack but its not like this thread has delivered yet, anyway.
I still find it hard to believe it ran 111.5mph on ANY run but I've heard from some people that the kid can drive like noones business. :beer:
Yes I personally kno him,He is friends with all the local mustang guys im friends with, like steven stated, he runs is cars with his dad and brother in factory stock class, him and his dad and brother are ALMOST PERFECT DRIVERS! this kid drives his 5 speed like its an automatic, he is very impressive to say the least, all of his cars run crazy times he pulls 1.4-1.5/1.6 60'' foots he drives the hell out of the car! and I can personally tell you nothing fishy about his car, ive seen it and he has exactly what mods listed still stock heads cam and motor , just very good free mods tweaks, bolt ons, no back seat, light fox slicks and he drives it like he stole it lol and very good tune on it making most power he can make out of his setup.
all it takes is 200rwhp in a light car n/a to break in the 12's with traction tire/ gears and a nasty driver behind the wheel hes pretty much the 5.0 version of what import guys do with k20's in a gutted honda crx lol doesnt take much when u have perfect traction , he would even prob destory me and I MAKE about 100 more rwhp then him being i prob cant cut better than a 2.0 60 ft.
Hes living proof mustangs can to have power to weight dont need alot of power and built motors or turbos ect, his 1st goal was to prove you can get a stock motor 5.0 deep in 12's he proved everyone wrong that said it cant be done, now he wants to get in the 11's to show people it can be done to. I guess his next goal is 4.10 gears, get more seat time and get the 60 foot down more hes hopeing for high 11's I hope to see it aswell always good to see guys set goals that people cant belive can be done
High 11's with that MPH is going to be extremely tough unless he pulls some more weight out.
He was asked about his car. This is all he said:
No where did he say that it did so n/a. He was responding to a question.
Here's a 10 second n/a fuel injected HR cammed 306. He went 11.96 with the stock shortblock. He's also done some super impressive stuff with a 347 (9.69@140) and his current 359 (9.59@142). All were n/a, FI, & HR cammed: http://the-arnolds.net/Cobra/
For a 302 to get into the 11s with a stock long-block, it would take a Cobra with full bolt-ons, weight reduction, and sticky tires, and it would do it at a higher raceweight than you listed. My own H/C/I '92 went [email protected] at a raceweight of ~3160 (2976 + 185lb driver). Mine dynod 311/330 SAE but that was before I went from an underhood K&N to an AFM powerpipe and also went from stock size catback w/ Flowmasters to a 2.5" catback and Dynomax super-turbo mufflers. I'm no pro, and my car had another 1-2 tenths in the driving. I think a bolt-on cobra could get there, but it would take time, practice, and patience.
Who cares about the stock long-block point, anyway. Stock E7s are junk and should be tossed in favor of after-market aluminum. 4v 4.6s come with great heads that I would not toss, though I might port 'em. Both cars can be surprisingly quick for just a little scratch.
Why all the bickering, though? Honestly, this thread turned into a comparison of stockish 13 second streeters to 11 second cars... Why?
Whatever platform you build, go fast with class. We're all mustang guys here:
4.6 owners ---->:beer:<----- 5.0 owners
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Has this ever been done? The point I was making is that the 4V can run 11's with a stock longblock, normally aspirated while that one dude claimed to run 11.4 in his "stock longblock" 302, which turned out to be a H/C/I turbo car:lol:
The best part about that car is that it isn't a gutted pile. I actually used to vote for that car @ the mustangs unlimited car show in manchester. That is one of my favorite LX's.
Not to threadjack but its not like this thread has delivered yet, anyway.
I still find it hard to believe it ran 111.5mph on ANY run but I've heard from some people that the kid can drive like noones business. :beer:
Yeah I can tell you he drives his ass off, he raced my friends low 13 sec bolt on mach 1, and the mach just did more mods so was deff a strong 12 sec bolt on mach 1, and he beat him from a roll. yeah his car is mint, I love them pics of his car!:banana: I hope he gets low 12's high 11's, sad for me , being i make way more power than him and cant even come close to his times lol:rockon:
First off.. the car you linked is awesome, I still have the vid on my computer.. it is a pleasure to hear a pushrod 302 based car turn almost 9,000 rpms.
HOWEVER, that is a racecar... The majority of us are still talking about street cars... For a race car.. there are high 9 second 306's running on MOTOR... but yet again, RACECAR. That's a whole different ballgame.
BTW if you had read my original posts you would of seen that I quoted him in saying
That combined with the fact he had said he ran 11.4 before made me believe that was the same motor. I care not read to much into it, I don't even read 5 pages when its pics and vids lol.
It's all good. JUST GET THE DAMN VIDEOS.
if those are the times he is running than a simple bolt fox should easily be able to hang with him. My car ran a 9.2 with a terrible 60' (2.3) and it still has stock heads on it.
i dont think my car would have any problem outrunning a mild bolt-on cobra.
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Again with bolt ons and the stock 3.08 gears I got my 5.0 to run 9.5 in the 1/8th. In a Fox LX with some 4.10 gears it should have no problem running 8.9 or better. With that said a 96-98 Cobra with 4.56 gears and bolt ons should have no problem running 8.6 or better in the 1/8th.
chris runs 8.80 with a 1.9x 60' so i can see that. i ran 8.78 stock in my lightning and 8.34 with slicks
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Man he really can't drive
Wow....
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1998 Cobra, stock 4V engine, ported intake, bolt-ons, 4.56's, TKO500. Got lucky and got a 1.54 60' with some suspension tuning. Car goes consistent 11.9-12.0 with 1.6+ 60's in the Florida heat.
My car that I speak of, BTW.
:bs: all you want, I could careless....
[email protected] N/A
1998 Cobra, stock 4V engine, ported intake, bolt-ons, 4.56's, TKO500. Got lucky and got a 1.54 60' with some suspension tuning. Car goes consistent 11.9-12.0 with 1.6+ 60's in the Florida heat.
My car that I speak of, BTW.
:bs: all you want, I could careless....
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