The new 5.0 4 valve ford will force us to uprgade our 99-01 powerplants!

[01bluesnake]

Awesome, you add ported heads, add compression with new pistons, and some cams to a 99 cobra motor. You'll then make 360rwhp. The same an ls1 makes with full exhaust and some bolt ons.

The 5.0 motor makes 410bhp. The camaro ss makes 425bhp. How is the mustang leading the class in power?

The mustang is a mediocre car with a decent engine at a fantastic price. nothing more, nothing less. It leads the automotive aftermarket because it needs so many parts to be a good performer




Absolutely, they are fun cars.

I would believe leading when adding in weight and doing a power to weight ratio, but power output, no

 

[01bluesnake]

The thing i love about Chevy guys is when you say you have a 5.0 they always ran there mouth about how their 350 will stomp you, then when they find out you have a 351 they started crying and bit**ing like little girls.

If all you do is take a stock New 5.0 engine and punch it out some how to meet their 5.7 ls, the 5.7 mod motor will stomp that chevy all over. ford is very advanced with their engine's and the ONLY thing that is power limiting facotr is the displacement. i mean look at this, ours are 4.6dohc 320hp, now 5.0dohc 412hp, 5.7.....imagine the power.

 

[mpe331lx]

Regardless of all the lsx vs ford hate, pushrod, vs OHC debates, the smacktalk, and any other B.S, it is nice to see ford stepping it up with an improved N/A 4v.

i have not read that much about it, will it be a raplacement for the 3v as the base GT engine, or will it be an option in addition to the 3v?

LOL hell yes it will

if i didn't know you personnaly and know the car as well i would call you a liar to your face...but i've seen that bitch run in person and it defys me and everything i know about LT1s

that ****er runs the number everytime :beer:

Were you at the Dec 20th "Day in Hell" Runday Sunday? With a soft launch (1.92 60ft)I was able to knock off an 11.7 @ 122 :rockon: Once I set the supension up and swap the 7.5" 10 bolt out for an 8.8", and can launch it off the limiter, i'm shooting for an 11.3:banana:

Not too shabbly for an N/A close to full weight (it has big and littles, but I left the baby seat in:-D) LT1

I don't care how the numbers get there...pushrods/pullrods/slinkies. Who cares. GM proved that pushrods still work and Ford proved a live axle works well also.

EXACTLY! For some reason die hard ford guy seems to thing the LSX having pushrods is old technology. Maybe pushrod set ups them selves are old school tech. The heads on those motors damn sure are not old tech. Atlest in production vehicles it's not. The 15* valve angles on the ls3/l92 head are closer to a nascar head than any production head ever was.

Its almost hard to believe they would build something with that compression these days, how the hell is that compression going to run on 93 octane unleaded fuel is my question. Obviously they must have it figured out, either that or you'll have to run Sunoco 260

In any case, I for one LIKE IT :rockon:

11:1 has become the normal safe limit on most newer EFI cars that have tuner friendly engine management systems.

No kidding, the LS3 is quite the engine.

Yes it is:beer:

Whatever car it ends up in, a high RPM 400ish C.I ls3/l92 will make its way between the fender rails:rockon:

In a well dialed in chassis, I'm looking to hit a 9 N/A:dancenana: But I'll have to finish up the current projects first:nonono:

 

[Quadcammer]

My Cobra's almost 9 years old (49K miles)...no squeaks, rattles...still rides tight. Happy camper.

If obnoxious, demeaning arrogance is a prerequisite for owning a German sports car....you can stick it up your ass. Got it....mustang 99. Thought you said "Goodbye :cryying:"...Quad.

Yup I did. Car is sold, but I still check in here to make sure you guys aren't nutswinging too hard.

Well, I do have a Vortech T trim sitting in my garage and these 4 valves respond very well to boost and compression. Eventually, the engine in my Cobra will have both.:burnout::dancenana:

On a side note, the Ford DOHC modular engine looks like a work of art unlike the GM unit.

Now if the mustang is such a mediocre car, how come the winning car at the Virginia city hill climb( a 3.5 mile road race on a twisty nevada public highway that attracts a lot of heavy hitting European machinery) last few years running has been a Mustang.?

If the mustang is such a mediocre car, how come the automotive press (non ford rags)gave the 2000R, terminator rave reviews? Car and Driver gave the 2001 a Good review by the way.

Speaking of the 2000R, that had to be the slickest muscle car to ever come out of detroit. A truly fantastic and out of the ordinary one in a million car. I'll own one some day.

So you sold your Mustang and bought a Porsche, well hats off to you.
As for me, I'm not interested in a Porsche, not even if some one wanted to swap may car for one. The cars that are on my list are the 2000R and 2010 GT500.:beer:

You've been talking about that lameass vortech for years. When are you going to grow some balls and actually install the thing.

I agree its a better looking engine.

The griggs car that won the hill climb is modified to the point that the only thing ford left on the car is the body and parts of the interior. Like that has anything to do with what you can buy from the factory or anywhere near it.

Rave reviews? Seems to me they said it was a cheap poorly assembled car with an ancient interior but a good drivetrain and acceptable suspension. Must have missed those reviews that were so glowing.

Quad, please find me a new car that has a tight chassis, lots of power, and quality interior for the price of a Mustang/Camaro/Challenger. They are MEANT to be cheaply built. They are not an M3/S6/911. Do you bitch that your $1 Micky D's cheesburger isn't Kobe beef quality too?

I agree with your statements entirely. There is nothing wrong with it being cheap, but that doesn't take away from the fact that cheap hardly ever means good. The ls1 fbodies were also horribly cheaply assembled, but they had stronger engines and a better suspension design.

 

[VirtualSVT]

blah blah blah blah to this thread.

Gm guys will dump 4 grand into H/C/I and be fast. Ford guys will do a blower or turbo.

Either way they are fast. How the motor performs while in stock form has little concern to the majority in here.

 

[cobraracer46]

You've been talking about that lameass vortech for years. When are you going to grow some balls and actually install the thing.

Well, I've been trying to score all of the vorthec parts used, so it has been a slow process, but it looks like my car will have a vortech system soon. Right now sitting in the Garage is a V1 T trim blower, Vortech maxflow power cooler, brand new Vortech coolant crossover(purchased on Ebay for $210:rockon and a complete mounting bracket assembly. I'm trying to locate a used terminator tank and pump set up for a good price, but I may just end up buying a new tank assembly. I should get the blow off valve, bigger injectors, maf, wide band meter and methanol kit within a month or two so maybe by March, my Cobra should be boosted.:burnout:

 

[E. Green Cobra]

Quad's been on this same song and dance for years, Ford continually improved the modular, and yet it was the same dribble. All those years he could have upgraded to an LSX and yet he kept that crappy cobra. I tend to think he just likes the attention that stirring the pot brings.

 

[na svt]

The mustang is a fantastic car with an incredible engine! Sure the LS series GM engines are good, but as good as they are, a lot of people throw away the factory intake and heads and replace them with aftermarket versions.

Yes, but with ported stock heads, a stock corvette intake and cams an LS1 can put down rwhp in the mid 400s for little money. Try getting a mod motor over 400rwhp for as little cash.

Really there is nothing wrong with the Ford 99-01 modular Cobra engines and all they need is a bump in compression, head port work and some cams. The one thing that amazes me about the Modular cobra engines is the amount of factory parts that can be reused.

You should have said, the amount of factory parts that have to be reused

Let's not forget about the 2000R 5.4, the Ford GT supercar 5.4 and the terminator 4.6 engines. All of them are fantastic engines.

I can't forget about their enormous price tag and for a couple of them, their limited availability also.


The LS7 is a wonderful piece of work and makes a buttload of power n/a.

You can make big power with any engine and you can go quick or fast with any car.
Which car/engine is better is in the eye of the beholder.

Quad's been on this same song and dance for years, Ford continually improved the modular, and yet it was the same dribble. All those years he could have upgraded to an LSX and yet he kept that crappy cobra. I tend to think he just likes the attention that stirring the pot brings.

I agree with Quad in regards to the quality of Mustang as I've owned many Hondas, Toyotas, Chevys, Saturns, Ford's and even Mazdas, the Japanese cars were all higher quality.

 

[Quadcammer]

Quad's been on this same song and dance for years, Ford continually improved the modular, and yet it was the same dribble. All those years he could have upgraded to an LSX and yet he kept that crappy cobra. I tend to think he just likes the attention that stirring the pot brings.

With enough boost, anything can make power. I was already too far along to switch to an LSX. If i had catastophically blown up my motor and blower, you better believe I would have considered an engine swap.

 

[IUP99snake]

This isn't the thread to be arguing why ford is better than chevy. Take it to one of the other sections of the forum. Can we get back to focusing on the new 5.0 tech?

So, this 5.0 motor in the 2011 GT's... is this based on the same 5.0 modular aluminum, block that's been available through FRPP for a few months now? There's an iron version and an aluminum version which is ridiculously expensive. Or is the 2011 GT 5.0 block a new design? If it is a new design, what's different about it than the 5.0 aluminum boss block on FRPP?

I wonder how the heads/cams on these motors compare to the various 99-04 4V heads, and whether or not they are interchangeable in one way or another as well. They certainly don't look like it.

I can't wait for the 2011 GT to go on sale and start showing up in junkyards in mass quantities. I'm most excited about this motor not because it's intended to be special, but because it's intended to be the mass produced GT motor... that makes it cheap and encourages better aftermarket support.

Homer

 

[ochoa4730]

wow.... is this a New edge cobra forum or comments found on a youtube video. Ford has always made quality mustangs(Forget 96-98, and 99 cobra) but if you want a car that is ready for the drag strip but 80 other people have the same black camaro, then bye all means get one. What made the mustang a great car is the ford gave us a platform to start from. You can personalize it to make your car one of a kind. Plus I think everybody knows what there getting they're self into from purchasing a ''sport car''. A Triple A membership. From when your car clutch explodes at the track. Would'nt trade it in for the world....

 

[turbo2300]

Sure the LS series GM engines are good, but as good as they are, a lot of people throw away the factory intake and heads and replace them with aftermarket versions

im a ford fan through and through, but i am around chevys at work and alot of the guys i know have chevys, and i have since learned chevy has us by the balls with the LSx engine. i have a friend with a stock internal ls1, long tube headers, a cam, and a mail order tune are the only mods and that laid down 411 horse.

now step up to an LQ9 or LS3 and it gets more interesting, pick up an LS7 and its almost unstoppable.

dollar for dollar, i have learned the lsx is all over us, especially N/A

 

[na svt]

What made the mustang a great car is the ford gave us a platform to start from. You can personalize it to make your car one of a kind.

...and you can't do that with an LS powered vehicle?

 

[IUP99snake]

...and you can't od that with an LS powered vehicle?

Who cares if you can or can't! This isn't a thread about LS powered vehicles. :beer:

Homer

 

[Double"O"]

Were you at the Dec 20th "Day in Hell" Runday Sunday? With a soft launch (1.92 60ft)I was able to knock off an 11.7 @ 122 :rockon: Once I set the supension up and swap the 7.5" 10 bolt out for an 8.8", and can launch it off the limiter, i'm shooting for an 11.3:banana:

Not too shabbly for an N/A close to full weight (it has big and littles, but I left the baby seat in:-D) LT1

yeah i was there
i was shocked...then again i always have been with that car. then again i shouldn't be because i saw you nearly kill yourself in your cobra a few times of thursdays nights watching you run bottom 10s and high 9s with your cobra swinging the ass-end back and forth the whole way lol

 

[Double"O"]

whoa whoa whoa!!!

Oliver sold the 99 and got a porsche?????

 

[turbo2300]

whoa whoa whoa!!!

Oliver sold the 99 and got a porsche?????

http://www.svtperformance.com/forums/new-edge-cobras-51/653912-say-goodbye-gentlemen.html

 

[Double"O"]

http://www.svtperformance.com/forums/new-edge-cobras-51/653912-say-goodbye-gentlemen.html

good deal...he bought a real porsche!

 

[tistan]

Just to prove how crappy the mustang is built, go drive a 04 cobra and then go drive a 04 GTO. Then you will realize how poorly a mustang is built compared to an equally priced performance vehicle.

 

[na svt]

Just to prove how crappy the mustang is built, go drive a 04 cobra and then go drive a 04 GTO. Then you will realize how poorly a mustang is built compared to an equally priced performance vehicle.

I've driven both and have little to say about the quality of either one.