2011 GT finally hits the street!

[FMX05]

Assassinator you confused me with someone else. I never called the mod motor a truck motor. Remove your foot from your mouth.




And Fenixfire, That 700whp 5.4... Was it N/A? Could you find that for me please? Around here a 350whp N/A mod motor is an achievement. There are so many other things wrong with your post that I don't have the time to go into... It's pretty sad.

 

[x99blacksnakex]

Nobody should pay $107K for a Corvette. Like I said before its a C6 with a blower, a body kit, big brakes, gaudy wheels, and a see through hood.

I guess that's the kind of quality you should expect from a company thats billions of dollars in debt to the U.S. Government.

If I'm going to pay $107,000 for an automobile, you can sure as hell bet its not going to be something that looks like a hot wheels car, and better yet it's not going to be built like one.

Hell I'd rather have a Super Snake for that price, at least it'll turn some heads.

 

[DarkMach1]

^ It all depends on your income. I personately wouldn't pay anywhere near 100k for a super snake, specially if I can have the ZR1 for a little more, because if you cant turn heads in a ZR1 then you wont turn heads in a super snake, sorry.

 

[assasinator]

apologies. its easy to mix nutswingers with one another. get lumped into one bunch.

 

[NoSVT's4me]

Ask yourself this. In reference to the piston, are the valves "Overhead"? If the answer is yes, it is an OHV engine. Just because your engine is overhead cam does not mean it isn't overhead valve. You are looking for "Cam in Block". Both "Cam in Block" and "OHC" engines use an "I-Head" design with the valves residing in the upper surface of the combustion chamber inside the head.

OHC gets its designation because of there the cam sits, not the valves. Taking it completely for what it is, none of these engines are OHV, because the valve is altogether housed within the head... OHV was labeled as such because, before it, valves were usually placed within the block, not the head. Those had nothing to do with the cam placement or valve placement. Engines are called different things based on placement of specific parts.

As for your take on cylinder head flow... You are correct flow is not everything. Flow, velocity, and turbulence are everything. With all of those taken into account my statement still stands. Those 440cfm C5R heads ported by SAM racing students and instructors still had amazing velocity. They are flowing big block numbers through a small block head. That's why the 3400lb camaro they powered ran 8.60's N/A with a 4 speed.

So this would mean you don't think an engine with less than 400(or 440)cfm heads will run 8's... Not hardly. There have been plenty of 8 second cars with heads which couldn't flow 350cfm. The total package makes the difference, not just the heads. Yeah, you know it... I just pointed out.

When you bring boost into play (the drag radial cars you keep talking about) this isn't as big of an issue.

When did I ever mention drag radial cars? Boost makes it less of an issue, but I never mentioned drag radial cars in any specific sense or ever spoke of any particular drag radial car over others. The quickest Modular cars aren't running drag radials to my knowledge.

You can take those 200cfm heads and put 50 psi on them and make roughly the same as a 400cfm head with 25psi on it.

Maybe, maybe not... Depends on the rest of the build.

Those modular powered drag radial cars are running significantly more boost than their LSX counterparts.

So what? Again, I wasn't referring to drag radial cars. Turn up the boost... Of course, by your calculation, it should only require half the boost to reach the same number... well okay.. 2/3rd the boost.

The downfall of the OEM LSX blocks is not their actual strength like you think. People were running in excess of 1500hp on them back in the early 2000's.

Really? Then why were they not seeing the numbers Ford guys were? I've never seen any actual LS1 block, which is all they had till the LS6, until 2005... Or are you including the iron LQ blocks?

Wheel 2 Wheel went 6.86@ 205 in 2003 I believe.

I don't... At least, not with an aluminum LS block.

Their weak point is head sealing. They use a 4 bolt head design and they like to lift at around 20-24psi.

So then... the issue is still in the heads, even though they flow better?? As I said, the whole package...

With the advent of 6 bolt heads it isn't nearly as big of an issue. There are quite a few 1,800+whp LSX cars out there. Why haven't they matched the times the mod motor guys have? There is more to running that time than the engine. Almost all of the big drag radial LSX guys are funding shit themselves and working out of their garages. The power is there, it's all about getting it down the track.

Ultimately, you agree with what many of us have been saying... It's the entire package, not just the heads or their flow... Not just the block... It's about the whole car and for drag racing, Ford is kicking everyone else to the curb, thanks to having built a solid foundation. They use a good chassis, particularly with rear suspension, a good engine, designed to handle WAY MORE hp than the factory ever equipped it with, and employ 4V heads because they know it isn't all about flow, but that flow has its benefits.

EDIT: I need to clear this up, you asked me to show you 1 LSX car that has run as well as even the 4.6L DOHC modular engine on the drag strip. You asked this in reference to head flow.

Wrong, I asked it about straight up drag racing. I never said, "when comparing head flow" or anything of the sort. That was YOUR argument. Mine was the overall package.

Boosted cars should not be in this conversation because head flow is a negated factor in a way.

That's not my problem... it's yours.

If you are looking at the true potential of a head, you have to look at N/A numbers and times.

No you don't. Nobody ever said you do either, except the guy looking ONLY to give "his side" any advantage he can.

That's common sense.

It's not even close to common sense... Does NOBODY race with a power adder in your world? In mine, that's what helps the quickest, fastest cars we've ever seen to BE the quickest, fastest cars we've ever seen. They're hardly looking at what would be IF ONLY they didn't put forth their best effort...

Without a doubt the LSX head is a better head in terms of flow and power potential.

You keep telling yourself that and you'll stay well behind the world's quickest cars forever.

The current N/A record is over 1000bhp from a 433ci solid roller turning 9,800rpm. The N/A record ET and MPH are from the same car. [email protected] with a 3500lb raceweight on a 1.275 60'. There is still more left in it. N/A power is the true measure of a head design. Is there an N/A mod motor in the 9's?

CUSHMAN MOTORSPORTS
I don't know when the record was set or if it's been broken or how many cars are close, or the weight etc. I just know 9's have been "reached" with the Mod motor, N/A.

Psst... he doesn't go back because he doesn't get love or sympathy there either. :burnout: Even fellow GM owners get raw nuts from all the licking after a while.

Heh... He told everyone on LS1 that they keep him in check... but the people here(many of whom are the same as there) are stupid by comparison and don't know what they're talking about... It's funny to think about. The two forums probably have hundreds of members on both sites... Just like him... Apparently that never crossed his mind...

 

[9secondko]

All you need to know

chevy using a monstrous 6.2 liter engine gets curbstomped by the 5.0 liter in the new Mustang GT.

this video is all you need to know:

[nomedia="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJHqbqGCCMc&feature=related"]YouTube- 2011 Mustang 5.0L vs Camaro 6.2L Drag Races[/nomedia]

that's the REAL video you need to see. Stock vs. Stock. and contemporaries of each other. the Mustang is better. Bottom line. It's faster, handles better and gets better gas mileage. There is simply no reason to buy a Camaro.

sorry Chevy fanboys, that's just the way it is. there have been years where the Camaro was the better car in terms of performance (never mind the horrid build quality), but this is not one of those years. And with chevy taking ford's lead with Ecoboost like features, etc (while not quite accomplishing the same results), the engine tech edge looks to be in ford's favor for a little while looking forward as well.

the funny thing is, here on this forum, you read all these pro chevy posts about LS motors making 800 rwhp Na and all that, then you go to the chevy forums and its all about how hard it is to actually get 400 hp, etc. then Ford comes along and basically drops a just about 400 rwhp engine in our laps from the factory...

It's a good day to be a Mustang guy.

 

[ponygt65]

HOLY SHIT!!!>.this thread turned into a major shit storm since I was last in.

 

[Camaro_94]

who needs time slips when i shit on them on the streets, and i know from experience that a stock mach will pull pretty well on a stock 3V. we put down more power and weigh less

You shit on bolt-on LS1's with your 13.2? :lol1:

I love Mach 1's. They look bad ass, and will hold their own... I will agree.. You put a good driver behind one, and it WILL beat the LS1, since it is basically a drivers race. But to say that you "shit on bolt-on LS1's" is a pretty bold statement when you're still in the 13's.

The previous owner of my car went 12.8's. Mine is exhaust only.

Mod for mod, theyre pretty damn close to even.. I just think that saying "I shit on bolt-on LS1's" is a bold ****ing statement... You might edge one out.. But if you walk them.. Theres something wrong!

 

[9secondko]

BREAK!


this thread was supposed to show how the new mustang GT 5.0 stacks up. the original post was trying to show how it compares to a car whose true config remains unknown and was not even a peer.

So this video is the real truth. new GT vs. new SS.

Have a look:

[nomedia="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJHqbqGCCMc&feature=related"]YouTube- 2011 Mustang 5.0L vs Camaro 6.2L Drag Races[/nomedia]

Mustang is superior. and it is not winning by just a smidge. It is a curbstomp. Moreso than the weight difference would suggest. the 5.0 mod engine is in fact more powerful than the 6.2 LS motor. Dyno sheets bear it out.

The end.

 

[assasinator]

You shit on bolt-on LS1's with your 13.2?

I love Mach 1's. They look bad ass, and will hold their own... I will agree.. You put a good driver behind one, and it WILL beat the LS1, since it is basically a drivers race. But to say that you "shit on bolt-on LS1's" is a pretty bold statement when you're still in the 13's.

The previous owner of my car went 12.8's. Mine is exhaust only.

Mod for mod, theyre pretty damn close to even.. I just think that saying "I shit on bolt-on LS1's" is a bold ****ing statement... You might edge one out.. But if you walk them.. Theres something wrong!
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we are not all nutswingers in here. i personally dont buy that a mach1 can hang with an 99+ LS1.

i can see a mach handling an 806 head(97-98)ls1. but after that the heads and power get out of hand for a 305hp modular.

and to say a mach can destroy a 241 headed ls6 intaked fbody is unbelievable. (01-02)

97-98 could easily happen. i beat on from a roll and he blew up on I24. if that same car was a 99+ i doubt i kill him.

i think specifics are what are needed here for a mach vs. ls1 debate.

 

[assasinator]

5.0 coyote > ls1(99-02) > 03-04 mach1

5.0 coyote > mach1 > 97-98 ls1


thats my math.

 

[ChiSVT]

The Mach1 and 4th generation LS1 fbodys are a drivers race at the drag strip, (both have run high 12s stock), however, the LS1 fbody consistently traps a bit faster. The Mach1 is just geared better and lighter which enables it be as quick despite making less power. The LS1 fbody has the raw power advantage though.

 

[69gt4speed]

FMX05.... Truthfully I could argue the lsx esp w the ls7/l92 heads are a sbf design w some improvements. In fact lsx heads will fit on a sbf if you bothered to check that out. Most ppl looking at like a lsx w l92 heads and like that single plane manifold w pic taken right will think it is a sbf as it's always been rumored robert yates was hired by chevy engineering to come up w a design that was cheap and made some hp and was light. He did what he knew a sbf w improvements. It is a very light mtr for its size but as far as state of the art its like caveman stuff mo or less, nothing wrong w that but at a point w newer cafe standards coming soon chevy may have to ditch lsx and go dohc to get power and mileage.

I'm sure the coyote was designed w that in mind and the lsx design roots is now how old... 1962? That dohc variable cam timing and being able to tune it is like swapping cam duration/lsa, can a lsx or even fords 3v do that... no way. So in a few min u can swap cams pretty good deal imo all w a tune and or vary it as needed at different loads or rpms. I think you will see this fall gt's hitting a 12.3 at a good track w practice bone stock and 12.0 w very lil minor mods like tires and a tune and k&n esp when we figure that cam duration/lsa stuff out. And I'm talking Joe avg not some whiz bang pro driver w the stick model. I have been almost 100% right about new gt performance so far imo yrs of exp w mtrs though I admit I do not know like details of the lsx as it didn't matter to me just expected hp and tq and car weight..

I have a very good friend w a 9.5 sec 408 l92 auto camaro so his team has showed me a lot of things and if stupid I ask them.

 

[KingBlack]

op:

 

[stangliter04]

LS1 Fbody and Mach1 is a drivers race at the track...

Looks like a lot of people are watching roll races where I think the LS1 has a clear advantage on a high speed run.

 

[F8L BYT]

Damn move this shit to smack down already so we can have our fun with these "intelligent folk"

 

[pho_phizzat]

I <3 this thread....

 

[Mach1USMC]

we are not all nutswingers in here. i personally dont buy that a mach1 can hang with an 99+ LS1.

i can see a mach handling an 806 head(97-98)ls1. but after that the heads and power get out of hand for a 305hp modular.

and to say a mach can destroy a 241 headed ls6 intaked fbody is unbelievable. (01-02)

97-98 could easily happen. i beat on from a roll and he blew up on I24. if that same car was a 99+ i doubt i kill him.

i think specifics are what are needed here for a mach vs. ls1 debate.

Been there- done that. Got the T-shirt. What you believe is irrelevant. I KNOW the truth:rockon:

Now were the victories HUGE in terms of lengths? No- but I beat them none the less. The last one I ran was an 01SS M6. We went 3 times from a 40mph kick. The first 2 times I started in 3rd:bash: and got him by a car up to about 120. The last time I started in 2nd and got him by a car and a half. The only thing he didn't have that I had were gears. He was on stock gears. But everything else was the same. CAI, tune, shifter, clutch, suspension mods, 315's. .....Again. Not a STOMPING. But a victory is a victory. Would I have gotten him without the 4.10's? Who knows? It probably would have been pretty damn close. The other victories against the LS1 crowd were all similar to this one. Good times.

The 02SS, also an M6 that beat me, had HCI to go along with the 4.30's, tune etc. It wasn't even close. By 120 he had 6+ cars on me. But no worries- I expected to lose against a car that had 100 RWHP on me. It's all in good fun.

 

[S8ER01Z]

The Mach1 and 4th generation LS1 fbodys are a drivers race at the drag strip, (both have run high 12s stock), however, the LS1 fbody consistently traps a bit faster. The Mach1 is just geared better and lighter which enables it be as quick despite making less power. The LS1 fbody has the raw power advantage though.

The end.

Nothing against the M1 engine at all but I can't help to think of how potent the Mach1 would be with an LS1 in it. (rather than making the car comparison... just adding the extra power and shedding a little more weight with a straight up engine swap) I can't help but think it would have been a monster running 12s easily with 110 traps.

I know people hate the hybrid thing a lot but I have always viewed it as the best of both worlds.

 

[S8ER01Z]

Been there- done that. Got the T-shirt. What you believe is irrelevant. I KNOW the truth:rockon:

Now were the victories HUGE in terms of lengths? No- but I beat them none the less. The last one I ran was an 01SS M6. We went 3 times from a 40mph kick. The first 2 times I started in 3rd:bash: and got him by a car up to about 120. The last time I started in 2nd and got him by a car and a half. The only thing he didn't have that I had were gears. He was on stock gears. But everything else was the same. CAI, tune, shifter, clutch, suspension mods, 315's. .....Again. Not a STOMPING. But a victory is a victory. Would I have gotten him without the 4.10's? Who knows? It probably would have been pretty damn close. The other victories against the LS1 crowd were all similar to this one. Good times.

The 02SS, also an M6 that beat me, had HCI to go along with the 4.30's, tune etc. It wasn't even close. By 120 he had 6+ cars on me. But no worries- I expected to lose against a car that had 100 RWHP on me. It's all in good fun.

Per your own post...

My performance mods are FRPP 4.10's, K&N FIPK, MGW Short Throw, Bassani o/r Xpipe, SLP LMII's, Spec3 Clutch, SCT Livewire (CRAPPY) RWTD tune, 10.5's out back running 285 Bridgestones out back.

How you feel entitled to weigh in on 'stock vs stock' comparisons with your experience I will never know. I see you posted several kills on stock LS1 cars (reason to chest beat? not really) and you smoked (by several car lengths from a roll) an 02 SS that had Longtubes (which would make your car a 115mph car considering an LS1 with LTs traps 112~113mph).

You are obviously a great driver... but you don't seem to have any stock experience at all (unless I missed it?).. how does your modified Mach 1 experience weigh in here?