I mean $20 is $20....
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That GT500 was a waste of money, dude poured so much into that thing only to get what 10th place? Should have started with a coyote car, lighter, with more potential.
He owns a Tuning Business.
Does there really need to be an explanation as to why Ken and PBD built out their GT500?
True.
I tune a lot of MS3 cars and keep a repository of all my tunes, final and various iterations on my server. A lot of things I reuse from tune to tune, as I've sorted it out and it works as a solid base. But if I lost it all, I can still remember 90% of my standard changes off the top of my head.
I'm sure he's no different. He likely has a template for various cars on his own laptop and knows the ins and outs and could regurgitate most of his tunes tomorrow. If he hasn't already.
I guess thanks to them for falling on the fully built sword and show how far the predator platform can go with TT.
All shops keep files of previous tunes,.......
..............................where do you think canned tunes come from ??
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..............................where do you think canned tunes come from ??
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I suppose that would depend on the employment agreement, if there was one.
I don't think this is a good comparison. It's not like the tuner knows the source code of the software, they would only know the front end and the parameters that can be adjusted.
Okay, what about if you worked at a restaurant and stole all the recipes and went to work at another?
The point is if you design something at a company, they pay you to make the design so they own it. You can't just take the tune file, cad file, etc with you.
Of course you can try to recreate it from memory but then again a lawyer can probably say you have such knowledge of it and wouldn't be able to create a "clean design"
As @DSG2003Mach1 stated, I think it would depend on the employment agreement. If he was an actual employee of the company, that would be different than if the company treated him as a 1099. A 1099 would be an independent contractor. As a 1099, you would not be getting paid to design something for the company, you are providing your design and service to the company, for a fee.
I wouldn't think there'd be that kind of agreement in the tuning industry. It would essentially prevent a tuner from ever leaving if they wanted to tune again because it's not like one shop is using totally different unrelated values.
Aren't a lot of shops rumored to be using the same base files that they tweak?
How many places or people could even write a tune truly from scratch?
Anothe question is...how many people out there would be "good enough" to take the job at PBD who don't already have their own shop or aren't already working somewhere (maybe they are unhappy)
Is there some tuning genius laying low on the internet (like the supposed chess masters who have never played in a tournament etc)
What kind of agreement would you have with say Ford if you were an OEM calibrator and got fired and wanted to open your own shop?
Pretty sure that anything a company "owns" would have to involve some sort of copyright or patent.
I think some of ya'll are overthinking this. Even if he's written 9000 tunes for PBD and let's imagine there is an agreement in place - he can't take those tune files with him. It's not a big deal to re-create most of those or have something that's gonna be in the ballpark on the vast majority of combos. Maybe some oddball ones that required a ton of revisions he'd wish he still had. He knows how to use the software to make the tunes using the software and their provided base tunes for a given CPU and calibration code.
Even if this guy went into PBD and had never tuned a single thing before, at the end of the day they taught him how to use the software. There is no way in hell they could cause an issue for him to use the same commercially available software either on his own or for another shop.
Non-competes are damned near impossible to enforce in a broad sense, hell, the FTC has proposed they be made illegal and banned all together. Currently in FL you can have a non-compete but basically as long as he isn't poaching PBD customers nobody will do a single thing about it.
It's like if I went to work for Brad and he teaches me how to do job estimating using some generically available software, it doesn't mean I can't go work somewhere else using that same software.
Even if this guy went into PBD and had never tuned a single thing before, at the end of the day they taught him how to use the software. There is no way in hell they could cause an issue for him to use the same commercially available software either on his own or for another shop.
Non-competes are damned near impossible to enforce in a broad sense, hell, the FTC has proposed they be made illegal and banned all together. Currently in FL you can have a non-compete but basically as long as he isn't poaching PBD customers nobody will do a single thing about it.
It's like if I went to work for Brad and he teaches me how to do job estimating using some generically available software, it doesn't mean I can't go work somewhere else using that same software.
I guess Im not following you. He wouldn't have access to the backend or code. He would have access to what the software allows you to manipulate. If you told me he worked for sct and wrote the code that tuners are using, then yes I agree that there would be something in place from a legal standpoint.
I work in IT and use most every product Microsoft makes and I make config changes to fit the need of my company. It doesn't mean I can't leave and go somewhere else and make the exact same changes using a Microsoft product. If I worked for Microsoft and wrote the code for the product itself, that would be different.
I don't know if they can do anything about it (like someone may have already said, non-competes almost never hold up), and it's just part of the business. If anything they'd just waste money trying to bully him with an attorney?
It'd be more akin to copying an entire Microsoft Dynamics implementation to another company that does the exact same thing as the other company. Or copying hundreds of your GPO's from your old company.
It's not a generic windows server:network setup that is almost never going to be identical from one company to another.
That's where the analogy breaks down. An admin at your company isn't going to set things up exactly the same at another company. But a tuner would.
If it wasn't a big deal there would never be internet drama between th era about copying tunes etc
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We may have to agree to disagree on this one. Lol. I'm not a tuner but I feel like the calibration for say a typical fbo coyote will look very similar giving the parameters you have access to adjust from one tuner compared to another.
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