That is such :bs::bs::bs::bs: right there so ur telling me a dealer in Michigan that had a grabber blue fully loaded vert for $6500 off MSRP and still did not get one bid was willing to lose almost $2,000 right then and there? If ur going to act like a dealer on here then open up like one lets see the sheet showing everything nothing to hide right include hold back..
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That is such :bs::bs::bs::bs: right there so ur telling me a dealer in Michigan that had a grabber blue fully loaded vert for $6500 off MSRP and still did not get one bid was willing to lose almost $2,000 right then and there? If ur going to act like a dealer on here then open up like one lets see the sheet showing everything nothing to hide right include hold back..
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people are dumb for paying over sticker. But dealers shouldnt be aloud to do that. Its all a scam. I dont understand why cars just dont have the bottom price on them and call it a day. No more shady salesmen/ managers. Be awesome to buy it right over the net and shipped to your house.
I agree that it would be nice for the whole dealer system to go away, but your statement about a business not being allowed to set whatever price they want is absurd. Crack open your high school economics book and look up the definition of a free market economy.
To sum up IT IS NOT A SCAM IF PEOPLE BUY THE CARS FOR $XXXX OVER MSRP!!!!! NOBODY IS FORCING YOU TO PAY THAT, IF NO BODY PAYS IT THE DEALERS WILL LOWER THE PRICE!!!
I am in sales and can't make that much on what I sell..constantly getting hit for lower pricing. So I make what I can and move on...
But, if you pay even MSRP for a car your idiot. I am in distribution and sell to those who sell to retail..trust me NO ONE pays MSRP...
Invoice to MSRP profit. Then you have 3% hold back..on almost every car...profit. So if you pay MSRP they just made a BOATLOAD of cash off of you. Invoice..or go to the next guy...Besides if they do it in like 10 minutes..which is all it should take..that ALOT of money for 10 minutes. I mean..I already know about the car when I show up...I don't need you to tell me about or really even drive it..I just need to know bottom line....will you do invoice? Yes or no..if yes..get me the credit app..and were done here.. Most money you can make in less than 10 minutes. If you want to haggle..your just cutting your profit to time ratio...it only hurts you..as in the end I ain't buying til you get to invoice.
But, if you pay even MSRP for a car your idiot. I am in distribution and sell to those who sell to retail..trust me NO ONE pays MSRP...
Invoice to MSRP profit. Then you have 3% hold back..on almost every car...profit. So if you pay MSRP they just made a BOATLOAD of cash off of you. Invoice..or go to the next guy...Besides if they do it in like 10 minutes..which is all it should take..that ALOT of money for 10 minutes. I mean..I already know about the car when I show up...I don't need you to tell me about or really even drive it..I just need to know bottom line....will you do invoice? Yes or no..if yes..get me the credit app..and were done here.. Most money you can make in less than 10 minutes. If you want to haggle..your just cutting your profit to time ratio...it only hurts you..as in the end I ain't buying til you get to invoice.
With what I said above...I know due to popularity of a car..in this case shelby..people aren't going to want to shop..they want to buy so, they pay. I worked on a deal for 6 months before or more before I bought mine...it took awhile and the right car. I had limited cash so, it forced me to work harder...but, in the end I got what I wanted.
I had conversations with frydguy79...just could not get to where I needed to be..with a 2010..and he had no 2009...but, a great and knowledgeable guy..for sure. I certainly wish I could have bought from him...but, I just did not have the cash..so, I had to go elsewhere...
I had conversations with frydguy79...just could not get to where I needed to be..with a 2010..and he had no 2009...but, a great and knowledgeable guy..for sure. I certainly wish I could have bought from him...but, I just did not have the cash..so, I had to go elsewhere...
i'm sure dealers would prefer this too. then vehicles would sell for MSRP as opposed to invoice or close to in most cases. When you go buy sunglasses or groceries that is what you pay, MSRP..... They have big mark up so consumers can come in and do what they feel is common practice, negotiation. but in the meantime i will watch what things are going for and try avoid paying too much at car dealerships
special order, then you only pay for what you want, and as mentioned above, dealers don't pay interest. might inspire dealers to sell below what they would on inventory that has cost them in interest payments
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Why should cars be any different than any other product or service in the United States? I can't believe that some of you actually believe that the dealer is wrong by trying to make money... Does anyone in this country understand economics anymore? I swear some people are so brain washed by media and the internet that they have completely lost the brain power to discover for themselves, the true definitions of words like democracy, socialism and capitalism.
If your in a union or have a special skill or service I guarantee you charge more for it than a guy that doesn't have the same skill, but does the same job. Why should it be any different for anything in a free country's economy? It's really unbelievable how completely saturated with the "entitled" attitude some people are.
Its plain and simple, if have some patience and wait for the right price, you'll get it. The dealers are not to blame or the idiots that confuse the words need and want and can no longer tell the difference between the two. If I had a $1 bill that someone wanted to give me $2 for, I'd offer it to him for $3 and see what happens. If he's willing to pay $2, he's probably willing to pay $3. Why am I wrong for that? It's the same dam thing that the dealers do.
If your in a union or have a special skill or service I guarantee you charge more for it than a guy that doesn't have the same skill, but does the same job. Why should it be any different for anything in a free country's economy? It's really unbelievable how completely saturated with the "entitled" attitude some people are.
Its plain and simple, if have some patience and wait for the right price, you'll get it. The dealers are not to blame or the idiots that confuse the words need and want and can no longer tell the difference between the two. If I had a $1 bill that someone wanted to give me $2 for, I'd offer it to him for $3 and see what happens. If he's willing to pay $2, he's probably willing to pay $3. Why am I wrong for that? It's the same dam thing that the dealers do.
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that is like saying your boss is dumb for paying you a penny over mininum wage
whats his number i'll call him
epper:that is like saying your boss is dumb for paying you a penny over mininum wage
whats his number i'll call him
Well I agree about the part that consumers are dumb for paying over sticker on a Mustang. I don't have a problem with dealerships taking advantage of that though. More power to them.
I bought a 2008 Challenger for $2500 over MSRP. dealers WERE GETTING WAY MORE THAN THAT WHEN i BOUGHT MINE AND THE 2009s sticker ed for about what i PAID FOR my 2008 DUE TO A PRICE INCREASE. I kept it for a year and a half and sold the car for $12000 less than I paid for it. Ouch!
On the other hand. If I had $50,000 to invest in something would I be willing to only make two or three thousand bucks? Probably not. Dealers are expected to do it though?
It doesn't seem fair to me. Plus what does it cost them to have the big dealership, employees, tax's, benefits, insurance, the initial cost of the franchise, etc... So they pay millions to get in business and borrow millions to buy inventory they should be entitled to make hay when the sun is shinning. A lot of those dealers went out of business since the economy went in the shitter and the ones that hung on should be entitled to some profit.
On the other hand. If I had $50,000 to invest in something would I be willing to only make two or three thousand bucks? Probably not. Dealers are expected to do it though?
It doesn't seem fair to me. Plus what does it cost them to have the big dealership, employees, tax's, benefits, insurance, the initial cost of the franchise, etc... So they pay millions to get in business and borrow millions to buy inventory they should be entitled to make hay when the sun is shinning. A lot of those dealers went out of business since the economy went in the shitter and the ones that hung on should be entitled to some profit.
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God this thread is just filled with absolute morons. There is no point in even arguing with these idioits. If you dont know how the car business work please stop talking because you just look stupid.
Good deal Rosco, what are the details?
Details?
Unemployment is 10%. The administration is continuing to strangle the economy by condoning and advancing a destructive agenda of taxing and regulating and at any minute it could all come to a screeching and drastic stop. There are NOT people lined up to buy these or anything else for that matter. There is NOT that much liquid capital in the middle class. And frankly, I will not buy one for more than invoice.
Lets let FRDguy put his money where his mouth is.
Give me $1000 for MY allocation at invoice since you would buy them all up at invoice. I'll have another invoice deal on the table by 5pm Monday.:rockon:
Ahhhhh, I meant on the car you ordered..... Like the color and stuff..... :lol:
Black, SVT Performance Pckg, Red stripes, Electronics package. NO SHAKER 1000!!!! The 500 is plenty loud.
Sounds awesome, can't wait to see pics!
If you don't mind, how much did it end costing you out the door? (I understand if you'd rather not post that, just thought I'd ask for a basic idea of where to start with negotiating my own deal).
If you don't mind, how much did it end costing you out the door? (I understand if you'd rather not post that, just thought I'd ask for a basic idea of where to start with negotiating my own deal).
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Under $51k
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