750 HP with Pulley Tune Air box ?? I hope
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not gonna get much from an upper pulley, pretty much be restricted to a lower.
I would like to see some tune only numbers first! This thing has gotta be begging to get loose
700rwhp is what I would like to get with JLT 127mm carbon CAI - throttle body - custom tune and x pipe...Just picked up CAI and slowly getting the rest. Funny thing I sold everything but tuner off my 12..Didn't realize most would have fit 13..
This. A TB will show some nice results.
not happening.
Right because no current gt500 tvs cars at 15 psi are putting down close to 700rwhp already...
They also upped the compression of the motor
And added almost another .5 liter
Severely detuned the car from the factory
I'd truly like to hear your reasoning on why it's not happening?
show me one TVS that's 700whp SAE with 15psi. the compression increase will equal 2% NA power increase. do you have a TVS, do you know what it takes to get 700whp out of a TVS? not happening with a tune, tb and cai. how do you know it's "severely detuned." you're speculating with no knowledge to back your claim.
This. Although I'm not as pessimistic as this guy I do think you'll need longtunes, full 3 inch exhaust, lower pulley( upper if at all possible) cai, tb, and a nice tune and 700-720 rwhp shouldn't be a problem at all. I WILL say no one knows how detuned or not detuned this car is so seeing what JUST a tune will do will go a long way in predicting results with other mods.
don't forget about those FGT cams as well.
Im hopeful that a tune and CAI will get us close to 700 RWHP. Adding an X Pipe or exhaust system just isn't something I want to do right away, and when I do decide it is time I'm hoping the cost of Corsa stuff comes down or I can find a 3" Jba system to listen to. A TB may not add quite as much as before with the design changes ford made to theirs.
go back and do some searching and look to see what CAI did for 2010-2012's. the JLT's didn't make more than 10whp. there's a reason he doesn't post dyno graphs for 2010-2012 cars. i personally think the 650hp is low ball, but 700whp without adding boost.
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I think as far as choke points on this motor there are a few main areas:
1. Exhaust manifold - In the cut-away pictures you can see how restrictive it looks. Exhaust gas velocities increase exponential with RPM and also increase with power levels (more air in and more complete combustion means more exhaust out).
2. Stock ECU tuning - My guess is that it's VERY conservative from the factory. It has to be idiot-proof, just in case Jonny Richpants drives up Mt. Washington on a 100 degree day in 6th gear, running Joe' Gas 87 octane.
3. Injector Size - I believe it was mentioned that the '13 comes stock with 60 lb/hr injectors. Those would definitely need to be upgraded going anywhere into the 650+ whp neighborhood.
4. Throttle Body - Since the intake looks pretty stout, I would expect a TB upgrade to net some good gains. Something like a large single blade throttle body, or a more smoothly machined and wider unit will see good gains.
5. Connecting Rods - The limiting factor for huge power output with the new Trinity is the con rods. PM forgings aren't as strong or tough as true forgings. However, with a set of true forged rods, I would think this motor to be 1000 rwhp capable.
The Trinity should be a stout piece. I would think anywhere from 630-650 whp and 580-600 whtq with full exhaust, tune, throttle body.
1. Exhaust manifold - In the cut-away pictures you can see how restrictive it looks. Exhaust gas velocities increase exponential with RPM and also increase with power levels (more air in and more complete combustion means more exhaust out).
2. Stock ECU tuning - My guess is that it's VERY conservative from the factory. It has to be idiot-proof, just in case Jonny Richpants drives up Mt. Washington on a 100 degree day in 6th gear, running Joe' Gas 87 octane.
3. Injector Size - I believe it was mentioned that the '13 comes stock with 60 lb/hr injectors. Those would definitely need to be upgraded going anywhere into the 650+ whp neighborhood.
4. Throttle Body - Since the intake looks pretty stout, I would expect a TB upgrade to net some good gains. Something like a large single blade throttle body, or a more smoothly machined and wider unit will see good gains.
5. Connecting Rods - The limiting factor for huge power output with the new Trinity is the con rods. PM forgings aren't as strong or tough as true forgings. However, with a set of true forged rods, I would think this motor to be 1000 rwhp capable.
The Trinity should be a stout piece. I would think anywhere from 630-650 whp and 580-600 whtq with full exhaust, tune, throttle body.
My 12 put down 560 on the dyno with CAI- upper pulley- TB and tune..So one would hope with same mods and the 100 more from Ford may put to upper 600's.But I'm guessing and waiting..
the FGT cams won't be degreed properly like every other factory car.
The only thing I have heard is the Ford Test cars were putting down more rwhp that the zl1 puts down at the crank. Do not know if this is will be the factory tune or not?
Sure, the car with a tune, new intake, and a new throttle body should make 650rwhp or so @ 15psi.
The gorilla in the room is not what the GT500 will make, which we all have some sort of idea about, but what will the ZL1 do once you take off the undersized 1.9L TVS and strap on a 2.9L Whipple or a 3.6L Kenne Bell? It's gonna get a lot more even.
The gorilla in the room is not what the GT500 will make, which we all have some sort of idea about, but what will the ZL1 do once you take off the undersized 1.9L TVS and strap on a 2.9L Whipple or a 3.6L Kenne Bell? It's gonna get a lot more even.
I'll take a crack at that question. How about......something like this?
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