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Adding VMP/Roush blower this summer...advice?

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  1. Stangra

    Stangra Member Established Member

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    ↑↑↑ THIS! ↑↑↑
     
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    tones_RS3 I like members members. Premium Member Established Member

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    If you use a VMP tune, I'm pretty sure you are going to pass emissions.
    VMP tunes are emissions legal, IIRC. They don't turn off the 02 sensors. You may want to confirm, but I'm pretty sure they don't.
     
  3. Stangra

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    In order to pass smog check in CA any aftermarket part that could effect vehicle emissions must have California Air Resources Board (CARB) Executive Order, like this one for Roush :

    Executive Order D-418-23 Roush Industries

    And a sticker with this EO number is applied under the hood to certify compliance
     
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    The VMP tune is technically not legal in California. AFAIK the smog check they just check to make sure all the monitors are run/passed. My original VMP Tune did not set all the monitors but the new one so far has everything but the o2/o2 heater set ok but I just checked with the car cold. I will check again tomorrow after my trip to work.

    The OP is in Colorado and it looks like they don't do anything for the first 7 years then just check for a check engine light for the next 4. General emissions inspection requirements and information

    I got a good deal on my Roush setup at $5800 shipped to my door but I added a VMP tune ($500), bigger injectors ($500) and I still need a CAI ($300+/-).

    The Gen2-R kit has a slightly better blower and already has the VMP tune, 56# injectors, a BAP and a CAI for $6300
     
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    That makes sense.
     
  6. cheeser

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    I was thinking about the 2.65, but looks like the 2.3 will work for me as I will not be looking for every last HP....600ish will still put a smile on my face.

    I wasn't planning on doing the OPG, but Riddick reminded me about road coursing it where it will be stressed a bit more. I normally only do this once a year...3-4 20 minute sessions on the 2 1/2 mile long course. I put the Koni / Eibach kit on it last year for a slight drop, and Brembos year before that.

    For now, here is my parts list:

    • VMP GEN II-R 2.3L TVS Supercharger Kit - Stage 1
    • Ford Performance Aluminum Radiator
    • Ford Performance SVT Performance Cooling Fan
    • Ford Performance 5.0L Coyote Oil Pump Installation Kit
    • Ford Performance High Performance Gerator Oil Pump (or maybe just the MMR OPG and swap) and crankshaft sprocket.
    • McLeod High Performance Hydraulic Clutch Line Upgrade

    I will be doing the install myself...looks fairly easy if I take my time...just a lot of steps. One positive in replacing the OPG is that I can modify the front of the timing cover off the car...keep the aluminum from flying everywhere (unless I put plastic everywhere and had a shop vac hose in place).
     
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    I found it SOOOOO much easier to modify the timing cover on the bench too! I think the MMR OPGs are a good bet, since I was already there I installed MMR crankshaft timing sprocket too. Even after reading many posts about doing the OPGs I didn't realize just how difficult it was going to be to re-install the lower bolt for the oil pump pickup tube, this might help. I cut a piece of plastic (empty milk bottle) used a cheap paper hole puncher to put a perfect size hole in it and cut a slot to get the bolt into the hole. Bent it about 45* along length for a little rigidity. This inserted between the captive washer & bold head allowed me to align the bolt and feed it into the hole while turning it gently by the threads using needlenose until started. Once started.... WHEEEEW! the rest was easy! Don't forget to put some clean rags underneath in the pan to stop any parts or tools from dropping in! OPG.jpg
    Since you're replacing anyway, this is a lot easier with the radiator out.
     
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  8. cheeser

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    Thanks for the tip.

    Reminds me when I replaced oil pan gaskets and timing chain on a 1996 Bronco 351W. The two bolts for reconnecting the oil pump while trying to connect the distributor shaft was a royal pain...was a contortionist. At least these two are accessible with tips like these to help.
     
  9. Riddick

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    Here a few suggestions I will offer up to save you a little money. I would research the cooling fan for the GT500 rather than buying a Ford Performance one. I would imagine Tasca or Autonation would be considerably cheaper than Ford Performance. Id also consider adding a Reische 170 thermostat since it will all be apart.

    Dont waste your money on the oil pump installation kit. Simply reference the OPG install thread above and they list all the gaskets and crank bolt in there, it will be cheaper than buying the install kit. Again, use Tasca or Autonation.... both will take care of you.

    As far as OPG goes just do the actual gear and crank sprocket. This will save you a ton of money. You can actually pick up a new OEM oil pump for around 70 bucks and then you can install the gears yourself if your set on a new pump. Its literally a few Torx bolts and you just swap out the old with the new. As far as what brand OPG to go with they will all work. I went with TSS and my buddy has Boundary, both appear top quality and both fit great.

    Just like you are talking about I did the OPG/crank sprocket install the same time I did my blower and it made things easier. Took a few days to get it all done but nothing to hard. Since you are pulling the radiator you will have more room for that pick up tube bolt. I did mine by bending over into the engine bay and my back was killing me afterwards.

    If you have any questions when you install this please hit me up. We did mine a little over a year ago and I just helped my friend do cams, opg, crank sprocket, blower on his coyote swapped 04 Cobra :). His engine was out of the car and it was so much easier. So much easier that if I ever have to tear into mine again I might drop the motor. If you have access to a lift you could drop the entire front subframe with the motor attached and then lift the car off. Will take a few hour to drop it but the rest of the install will be a breeze.
     
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    Also a good idea, I chose to go with a Termi-stat

    Termi-Stat Home
     
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  11. Stangra

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    I almost did this but I knew my "since-I'm-in-there" list woulda become unmanageable :D
     
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    Thanks...

    For the fan, I believe the one I referenced is the same one used in the GT500. I will double check with Tasca or others as suggested though along with all of the bit pieces (gaskets and such).

    I was thinking about just the gears vs the whole kit. As noted, just a matter of pulling it apart. I might just go ahead and buy a new pump then and make the swap ahead of time.

    My only other question is if I might as well replace the seal on the timing cover since it is off....car only has 35k on it so it may not be needed. Just one of those things if it is pulled apart to change these cheap pieces.
     
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    I'd change out the timing cover seal, I replaced mine and the engine only had 8k on it. Just makes sense since it's all apart. I bought all new seals and it came out to roughly 30 bucks if I remember correctly. If you follow that tutorial and buy all recommended parts you really can't go wrong. Only other suggestion I would make is I would purchase the crank pulley install tool, will make it easy.

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    for road course i would highly recommend you put meth injection on it. Get yourself a 5 gallon tank and mount it in the trunk. The cooling effects will outweigh the additional weight.
     
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    I believe VMP's stage 1 kits are emissions compliant. I think the difference is in the CAI provided.
     
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    You really can't beat the Boss 302/Track Pack Radiator and 13-14 GT 500 Cooling fan combo for the money.
     
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    That was my thought as well.

    I did modify my list of things to purchase...going to buy an extra timing cover and oil pump housing and modify them ahead of time. Yes, it is a few extra bucks, but it will allow me to complete things ahead of time to try and reduce my overall down time for when I start pulling it apart next month.
     
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    https://www.cjponyparts.com/ford-pe...MI9df9kMHn4QIVUP_jBx3RGQ0PEAQYAyABEgJqS_D_BwE

    Ford Racing makes a cover you can swap on directly.

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    Hard to claim it is CARB approved with VMP embossed in the blower though.
    That's the main reason I went with Roush, just in case.

    Living in a POS liberal state, you never know. If we fail emissions at
    state inspection for any reason, you have to go to private garage and
    get it "fixed" (not allowed to fix and re-test).
     
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    100% why I went Roush over the VMP. I am tempted to go with a gen 3 and make a plate that has the Roush logo on it to go over the VMP logo :p
     
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