auto or manual
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HATE is a pretty strong word, I went automatic due to back problems that prevent me from driving a manual very often, but to be honest, now that the automatic is faster, I probably would have went automatic anyway as I am more of a 1/4 mile racer.
I have been thinking about going to a road course, I hope the automatic won't suck for this. Paddle shifts would have been nice for this.
I wonder if manual shifting the automatic down to 2nd or 3rd would hurt it for occasional raos course fun?
Good points!
I really would love to have BOTH!
Automatic for rush hour commutes and the 1/4 mile, manual for Sunday cruises and road courses.
Mine has only done it when cold. I took my car to Laguna Seca and it never ground once.
Manual MT82.
I bought auto, but I have become lazy.
I bet in years past the poll would not have been this close.
I do wish the auto had a way to select gears past 3rd. I used it all the time when I had the vette.
I bet in years past the poll would not have been this close.
I do wish the auto had a way to select gears past 3rd. I used it all the time when I had the vette.
Go 4.10 and between a 2800-3200 stall and hold on!
I honestly think id go auto with the 5.0 based on how well they are doing at the track. Although if I was considering road race or autox then manual hands down
You could also strip out all of the interior and make the car lighter. Why not? A 4:10 with a 3K Rpm stall converter would make the car unsuitable for the street and only comfortable on the track.
The automatic transmission and diff may make it one season after dozens of runs of heating the drag slicks and racing which will slam the transmission and drivetrain.
I guess you would also need to install a cage to be legal? :shrug:
2800-3200 is the average stall for the street/strip car....if he is gonna stay mild..I'll go 2800. I ran a 2800 with 4.10s in my daily driver running 7.5 1/8 miles. Car didn't fall on its face at all and was very streetable. When cars are running 6000 stalls I doubt 3000 is gonna make a car unsuitable..lol
Reference..
http://www.badasscars.com/index.cfm/page/ptype=product/product_id=78/prd78.htm
Best paragraph...
Most street performance cars running your typical "performance" cam should be running a stall converter in the 2,800 RPM area. For hotter cars (street / strip) with bigger cams, etc. then a converter in the 3,000 - 3,200 RPM is more suited. For mild performance cars with something like a 350 HP engine, a 2,400 stall is about right. The basic rule of thumb is; if your engine "comes alive" at say, 3,500 RPM, then you want a stall converter with about 3,500 of stall to it. Most people tend to over cam and over carburete their cars... and those same people tend to under stall converter their cars too, which REALLY makes it a complete turd. if they need a 3,000 RPM stall, they'll usually get something like a 2,000 RPM, which just doesn't get it off the line. You have to remember... 80% of the race is the first 100 feet. If you can't get off the line, you are going to lose the race.
So with a stock 415/390 i would say 2800-3000 is pretty good area to be in.
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+1 on this you can get a stall up to 3k an still be very dd friendly an.410s work great there's a guy with an auto with tune an 410s only an still gets 28mpg.
You must be talking about the flash stall rating. The true stall rating is lower. The converter may show a flash rating at some higher point but the true stall is the proper number to use.
Nonetheless, an automatic transmission is for someone that can't shift a manual properly. A torque converter cannot achieve 100 percent coupling efficiency like a manual can. A high stall torque converter can also cause overheating, stator clutch breakage, and ballooning (which will cause the converter housing to rupture).
Tell that to the pros. Once you get to a certain level, you should be running an auto (or some variation of an auto trans), if you want to run consistently. And all of the problems you listed for a high stall are easily remedied by a trans cooler and buying a quality converter.
It's all about personal preference. I love shifting gears, but if I'm going to race it, then it needs an auto.
9-10 second track car? Auto. Daily Driven 11-12 second street car? Manual.
I'm glad i got the M6. I went home and drove my mom's 06 GT with the A5 while i was home for thanksgiving, and i absolutley hated it. I felt bored driving when i couldnt shift gears. just my personal preference.
But when it comes down to it, it is just want you want. The Auto will ALWAYS shift faster at the track, and it wont miss. But i like the challenge of the manual, its not just point and shoot.
I'm glad i got the M6. I went home and drove my mom's 06 GT with the A5 while i was home for thanksgiving, and i absolutley hated it. I felt bored driving when i couldnt shift gears. just my personal preference.
But when it comes down to it, it is just want you want. The Auto will ALWAYS shift faster at the track, and it wont miss. But i like the challenge of the manual, its not just point and shoot.
If automatics are so fast, why does NHRA Pro Stock race some decent times with a 5-speed manual?
LIBERTYS CLUTCHLESS TRANSMISSIONS
its almost the same thing as running an Auto tranny with a full manual Valve body. i would say its on par with it.
This would fall under what I called "some variation of an auto trans", same as running an auto with a full manual vb. If you're not using your left foot, you fall under the auto category, imo.
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