Cevite oder Federal-Mogul, which to use?

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Who can tell me who produces the better of the two products?
I think the main and connecting rod bearings.

To be Installed in my Ford GT aluminum block with Oliver connecting rods.
Expected performance of the engine ... hmmm ... 850 rwhp and limits at 7000 RPM.

Ralf

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German Boy said:
Who can tell me who produces the better of the two products?
I think the main and connecting rod bearings.

To be Installed in my Ford GT aluminum block with Oliver connecting rods.
Expected performance of the engine ... hmmm ... 850 rwhp and limits at 7000 RPM.

Ralf

Up´s Clevite
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Ralf

I've used both for engine builds. You should probably go with Clevite since Federal Mogul (Speed Pro) is on infinite back order for 26MM rod and main bearings. Go ahead and buy both sizes standard and 26 MM. As you build the motor sometimes you find that you need a little more and a little less here and there. I'm building an aluminum block motor as well for a customer right now and that is one thing I do not waste time with. I always buy both sizes of main and rod bearings due to different tolerances.

As for the 850 RWHP that all depends on Cams? Pistons? Exhaust and Intake Valves? Supercharger and boost level? Fuel? Injectors? Boost A Pump? Fuel System? Headers?

My car made 823 RWHP at 23 lbs of boost with only 20 degrees of timing with a Kenne Bell 2.8H. Then we made 910 rwhp with the new Kenne Bell 3.6 at the same boost pressure and same timing.

Anything is possible!

Van
 
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Hi Van,
thanks for your answer.

I'm not missing a lot of parts,
in the oil pump I'm unsure what Melling
and whether I ARP bolts for the main bearings need?

Ralf

My new motor for 93 octan:
Ford GT-Block
Oliver I-Beams
Manley 18 Dish Pistons Skit Coated
Ported Ford GT Heads
Bronze Valve Guides
Ford GT-Camshafts
Whipple 3.4 with 3.5 (or 3.25 Pulley)
IW-10%Pulley
80 Injektors FRPP
BAP Dual-Kenne Bell
L&M 66 dual bore TB
MAF Housing 123mm or 125mm MAF selfmade
Air-Filter from FRPP
CAI House from 4.6 Bullitt rebuilt
HPX Sensor
Waes from Snow with 5 Gallon Tank selfmade?
Clutch???
JBA-Longtube Headders Cc.3“X-Pipe with Cats and Axle back
HE-AFCO


Van@RevanRacing said:
Ralf

I've used both for engine builds. You should probably go with Clevite since Federal Mogul (Speed Pro) is on infinite back order for 26MM rod and main bearings. Go ahead and buy both sizes standard and 26 MM. As you build the motor sometimes you find that you need a little more and a little less here and there. I'm building an aluminum block motor as well for a customer right now and that is one thing I do not waste time with. I always buy both sizes of main and rod bearings due to different tolerances.

As for the 850 RWHP that all depends on Cams? Pistons? Exhaust and Intake Valves? Supercharger and boost level? Fuel? Injectors? Boost A Pump? Fuel System? Headers?

My car made 823 RWHP at 23 lbs of boost with only 20 degrees of timing with a Kenne Bell 2.8H. Then we made 910 rwhp with the new Kenne Bell 3.6 at the same boost pressure and same timing.

Anything is possible!

Van
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Stock Oil Pump on the GT500 is actually very good. You'll need a special assortment of ARP bolts for the windage tray on the aluminum motor. Did you get ARP 2000 rod bolts with the Oliver rods?

German Boy said:
Hi Van,
thanks for your answer.

I'm not missing a lot of parts,
in the oil pump I'm unsure what Melling
and whether I ARP bolts for the main bearings need?

Ralf

My new motor for 93 octan:
Ford GT-Block
Oliver I-Beams
Manley 18 Dish Pistons Skit Coated
Ported Ford GT Heads
Bronze Valve Guides
Ford GT-Camshafts
Whipple 3.4 with 3.5 (or 3.25 Pulley)
IW-10%Pulley
80 Injektors FRPP
BAP Dual-Kenne Bell
L&M 66 dual bore TB
MAF Housing 123mm or 125mm MAF selfmade
Air-Filter from FRPP
CAI House from 4.6 Bullitt rebuilt
HPX Sensor
Waes from Snow with 5 Gallon Tank selfmade?
Clutch???
JBA-Longtube Headders Cc.3“X-Pipe with Cats and Axle back
HE-AFCO
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Hi,

thanks for the Oil Pump information, saving money.:rolling:

I had already found, but they are also necessary?
ARP Main Studs - 4.6/5.4 - Alum block w/ Windage Tray : eBay Motors (item 280126795638 end time May-04-10 11:24:27 PDT)

My Dealer Information: The new 5.4 rods from Oliver come with ARP2000 bolts.

Ralf

Van@RevanRacing said:
Stock Oil Pump on the GT500 is actually very good. You'll need a special assortment of ARP bolts for the windage tray on the aluminum motor. Did you get ARP 2000 rod bolts with the Oliver rods?
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German Boy said:
Hi,

thanks for the Oil Pump information, saving money.:rolling:

I had already found, but they are also necessary?
ARP Main Studs - 4.6/5.4 - Alum block w/ Windage Tray : eBay Motors (item 280126795638 end time May-04-10 11:24:27 PDT)

My Dealer Information: The new 5.4 rods from Oliver come with ARP2000 bolts.

Ralf
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Looks like you should have what you need. My engine designer provided me with the additional bolts.

Good luck with the build. If the bolts are incorrect or improperly sized you should determine the proper size and contact ARP for the correct bolts.

Anything is possible when you build these motors. Been there done that.
 
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Now I understand, is undersized 26MM 0.026 "!
Until yesterday, Summit had the Federal stock on Ebay!
Federal Mogul CH-Series Rod Bearings - SummitRacing.com

I can take this one?
What amazes me, the year ends in 2006.:shrug:
Ford 5.4 330 DOHC Clevite Coated Race Rod Bearing Set H : eBay Motors (item 190288387275 end time Apr-16-10 08:36:39 PDT)

Ralf

Van@RevanRacing said:
Ralf

I've used both for engine builds. You should probably go with Clevite since Federal Mogul (Speed Pro) is on infinite back order for 26MM rod and main bearings. Go ahead and buy both sizes standard and 26 MM. As you build the motor sometimes you find that you need a little more and a little less here and there. I'm building an aluminum block motor as well for a customer right now and that is one thing I do not waste time with. I always buy both sizes of main and rod bearings due to different tolerances.

As for the 850 RWHP that all depends on Cams? Pistons? Exhaust and Intake Valves? Supercharger and boost level? Fuel? Injectors? Boost A Pump? Fuel System? Headers?

My car made 823 RWHP at 23 lbs of boost with only 20 degrees of timing with a Kenne Bell 2.8H. Then we made 910 rwhp with the new Kenne Bell 3.6 at the same boost pressure and same timing.

Anything is possible!

Van
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German Boy said:
4.6 Can I use this stock for the 5.4 engine take aluminum,
or is there differences?

Ask questions about.

Ralf

Ford 4.6 DOHC Clevite Coated Race Main Bearing Set HK : eBay Motors (item 200247875805 end time Apr-11-10 08:33:21 PDT)
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not the same as the cast iron blocks,

the 5.4 alum motorsport block takes its own bearing set one cap is different.

took me two sets to get a complete set .

the main stud set is different for the alum block also , with the outer studs
being bigger . you can buy two sets or order them separate from ARP.

it would be cheap insurance to use a melling or MMR oil pump , it is
a fraction of what you will have invested in this motor. and i have
broke the stock ones .......JEFF
 
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Hello Jeff,
i have found my Bearing combo.
Aluminum block main bearing part# 149M Federal Mogul
(Info: Cast Block main bearing part # 148M Federal Mogul)
Rod bearings part# CB 1442HK Clevite
That should fit.

I have only found this Main stud: ARP Main Studs - 4.6/5.4 - Alum block - no Windage Tray Part # 156-5802

With the Melling I give you right.

Ralf
 
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German Boy said:
Hello Jeff,
i have found my Bearing combo.
Aluminum block main bearing part# 149M Federal Mogul
(Info: Cast Block main bearing part # 148M Federal Mogul)
Rod bearings part# CB 1442HK Clevite
That should fit.

I have only found this Main stud: ARP Main Studs - 4.6/5.4 - Alum block - no Windage Tray Part # 156-5802

With the Melling I give you right.

Ralf
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make sure that is not the sets for the navigator alum 5.4l
 
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You can call Accufab and they can set you up with the right ARP studs to fit everything on the GT block. It depends on whether you are using the windage tray/stud girdle what main studs you use. ARP also has some high dollar main side bolts, but I think they are like $25 a piece or more iirc (I actually think they are balancer bolts now that I'm thinking about it?). You gotta pay to play... FFS
 
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I'm waiting for my parts are still in the container at sea.
Still needs to ARP Studs order and now a question to the experts.
Are they in the picture, the Studs that I need in addition?
I will not order two sets of ARP # 256-5701 and ARP helps.

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Part Number: AMF5.140-1B

Ralf

FS MACH 1 said:
i used two ARP # 256-5701 to get all the correct fastners for the
GT alum block.

JEFF
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