Base + tires = 25k less than 100k.
Yes it's not stock.
Unless you buy them from Ford and they come in a nice little crate
Base + tires = 25k less than 100k.
Yes it's not stock.
Yep seems to talking in circles. The base will be close but since it doesn't come with those tires we have to use a 100k version and then it over priced to a 65K C8. Anything to fit a narrative.And there you have it, the bulk of what matters.
Im aware of that, I even agree'd with it as i am very aware of what people actually do at tracks. Im just not sure of the point of the discussion?I knew you'd go this route. No need to overcomplicate.
Rubber is the big difference between the two. And most anyone that tracks any car, uses an appropriate tire. And since the CFTP cars are as good as unobtainable, you are going to see plenty of Base car owners that track change to a more appropriate tire. Simple.
Regarding a comparison - never say never. A "real professional test" will likely be done by people who will want to know the answer to the exact same question. A jack and a lug wrench are all that is needed here. No waste in sight in this regard.
Data point, related or not (so a potential "waste of keyboard strokes as some would call it). At the IMSA finale at Road Atlanta I had some great discussion with Dean Martin and Nate Stacy. I asked if they could pin down an improvement in lap times to the mere switch from Continentals to Michelins. Both Nate at Dean agreed that at Road Atlanta there was a solid 3 second improvement. This led to my next question, and I wrongly assumed that this improvement came at the expense of how long it took before the tires were wiped out. Again, both said the same thing - the Michelins last longer too. Michelin seems to be doing a great job of improving their street tire compounds as a direct result of testing to the limit in various race environments.
Same engine, transmission, driveshaft, differential, half shafts, and brakes. I'd guess that Ford tunes the Mag dampers differently between the CFTP and Base cars due to the weight of the wheel/tire package, the friction coefficient of the tires, and the implied intended usage of the car itself. So again, the biggest variable is Ford's decision to use different tires, one with a rather large advantage at the track over the other. If the Base car is allowed to run on equal footing, the CFTP advantage quickly evaporates.
Not a point but rather a response to the following comments from you.Im just not sure of the point of the discussion?
...only the CFTP will be putting up the insane numbers. The base cars will be far off.
Lol well that comment isnt wrong when comparing factory to factory cars like everyone does... Once tires are changed all bets are off.Not a point but rather a response to the following comments from you.
Unless I am mistaken the spring rates/rear sway are different.spring rates (and I've seen nothing to indicate they are different),
LOL. And all bets are on once you actually take the car to the track "like everyone does."Lol well that comment isnt wrong when comparing factory to factory cars like everyone does... Once tires are changed all bets are off.
Well the Demon sure gets a hard hate on as far as stock goes... Thought it was common knowledge that we only debate factory parts. Imagine saying well the C8 with cup 2s would be faster... That wouldnt go over well.There you have it. Bar size, spring rate and one would assume damper calibration. Interesting that the changes look to be somewhat minor.
LOL. And all bets are on once you actually take the car to the track "like everyone does."
We can go round in circles all day. Bottom line is that when the cars are on track as opposed to arguing what is "stock" vs what isn't, tires run the gamut from different manufacturers, different sizes, different compounds, etc. Everyone changes tires that actually tracks a car. In this case we are talking about two versions of the same car and why they differ from each other. Playing fair with an equivalent tire is just that. But you can argue to the contrary all day long.
Well the Demon sure gets a hard hate on as far as stock goes... Thought it was common knowledge that we only debate factory parts. Imagine saying well the C8 with cup 2s would be faster... That wouldnt go over well.
We are arguing two different things. So whatever, you can have it.
You are right, its not that difficult. I am comparing two cars how 99% of people on the internet compare them... From the factory..., for arguments sake as thats how it works around here. Nothing new.I figured somebody would then throw in the Demon crate blather, yada, yada.
This isn't overly difficult. Equalizing two versions of the same car by using the same tire to counter a statement that "only the CFTP will be putting up the insane numbers. The base cars will be far off" is about as reasonable as it gets. Everyone knows the Cup2 is a great track tire and that the 4S can't match it. Point being that "far off" might correlate to a brochure on a shelf at your dealer but anybody that tracks their car isn't going to waste too much time making a choice once the set of 4S tires is shot. They won't be changing the engine, or adding an engine tune, no headers, no nitrous, no gears, etc. No. They'll go to the tire store and get some Cup2's mounted. Hardly crate parts ala Dodge.
And at that point "far off" is just that. Far off.