Is this a Ford site or a GM fan boy club?
I'm sorry I couldn't take anything you said seriously with all these errors in your post.
during the whole ZL1 debacle, i really believed that SVTP was the car enthusiast forum, but clearly this place isn't much different than C5. the '13 shelby section at least, i gotta think that the overall population of this site can at least appreciate what GM has done with the pieces they have to work with, even if most of them despise the 5th gen(like my self - it's the mustang II of the camaro family if you ask me!).
Like I give a rats ass. I type fast and I don't spell check. thank you drive through.
He's absolutely correct on the Cobra R. More were collected than raced... Back then, Ford had just lifted the "R" license requirement which allowed anyone to acquire them. At the time, a $55k turn key race car that was sanctioned everywhere day 1 was a shocker to me. A $55,000 Mustang? Ooooooooh Nooooooooooo!!!! With only 300 built, it never made an impact. It did however beat a 2000 Z06 and 2000 Viper RT10 2000 Dodge Viper vs. 2000 Ford Cobra R - Detroit Muscle 2000 - American Muscle Car - Motor Trend Magazine AT ROAD RACING!!! (by 1.4 seconds vs. Z06 and like 3 seconds vs. the Viper)That is very hypocritical on your part considering you were one of the main culprits leading the charge against ZL1on this forum.....don't backpeddle now.
Btw, I never cared for the 2000 Cobra R either
where is the logic here??? the boss LS - let alone the standard boss - isn't even CLOSE to the same league as the Z28. the boss was designed from day 1 to ideally meet the rules and regulations of the continental tire challenge series GS class, while the Z28 is basically an all out 'throw everything we have at it' effort, just like the 2000 cobra R was. make no bones about it, not only is the Z28 shipping with FAR better components than the boss/LS(carbon ceramic brakes, absurdly retardedly sticky 305s on every corner, the LS7 with its titanium rods, dry sump oiling system, ad nauseum...), but all of these components will without a single doubt utterly dominate the boss/LS in every measurable performance metric.
with ALL of that in mind, to say that it shouldn't cost any more than the standard boss is absurd, bordering on pure and utter delirium. the boss is NOT in any way, shape, or form, a competitor for the Z28, ford doesn't have a competitor for this car. it'll be cross shopped with the GT500 and many other cars, but it really doesn't have any direct competition at all. just like the 2000 cobra R didn't.
it did however beat a 2000 z06
sure it wasn't a '99?!
btw, i am paying for [a z/28]... If the production numbers are low enough and i can get one.
Actually, No... Chevrolet gave Motor Trend a 2001 LS6 Z06 with the FE4 suspension. The 2000 Cobra R (Actually produced in 1999) ran a 1:17.98 to the Z06's 1:19.59. The RT10 ran a 1:21.40. The Cobra R was $6000 more than the Z06 and I feel, for $6000 more, you got a pretty good deal.post of the century!
They will be nice cars.. and most will be garage queens.. but to the one who decides to take it out on the street, I can't wait to put it in it's place..... Behind me. :rockon:
Those guys love me...Pill, I'm sure with all the good will you've created with GM combined with your warm relationship with Scott S., Tom Henry would be glad to put you at the top of his list.
Good Luck with that.
How do I look???
absolutely agree, 100%, totally, and completely!!! GM may have thrown everything they have at the Z28, but they did it in a VERY calculated manner!The 2014 Z28 is strategically marketed and positioned waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay beyond what a Boss 302/Boss 302 LS offers. It was built that way on purpose...
There is NO WAY Chevy wants to go toe to toe with the Boss 302 in SCCA or Grand Am. Even with the EXTREME rule changes in favor of the 6.2 Camaro's, they still cannot manage any momentum.
This year, the 911 and Porsche in general seem to be doing much better in GTS and GS. The Camaro, in ZL1 form, Z28 form, 1LE form, GS.R form IS NOT A GOOD ROAD RACING PLATFORM... Its not even decent.
It isn't even competitive on ANY level!!!
Again, this is based on the prior 3 seasons of Road racing worldwide... The only successful Camaro was a GT car in Grand Am and it is NOT a Camaro... You can be the fastest, most powerful boxer in the world but none of that matters until you get in the ring... Maybe 2017.
how so? if i hate one variant of the camaro i must hate all of them? on the contrary, i think GM completely ****ed up with the ZL1, but i believe they completely nailed it with the Z28. to back pedal would be to say that the ZL1 is a "great car". it's not. at least, not versus what the competition offers.That is very hypocritical on your part considering you were one of the main culprits leading the charge against ZL1on this forum.....don't backpeddle now.
Btw, I never cared for the 2000 Cobra R either
c'mon now, you know as well as i do that, in the end, these car companies are in the business of making money and that's just all there is to it. pride, history, legacy, all that crap takes a back seat to the all mighty and powerful dollar bill. we both know that it's completely unrealistic for GM to price the Z28 in the boss 302 range, if only for the fact that it would be stepping on the toes of the 1LE.Agreed, and that's why it should be priced alongside the Boss. Purely to dominate an existing market segment owned by it's biggest rival. Forget about connecting rods, rules, regulations and brakes. Ford produces a Mustang between a GT and GT500 that's distinct enough that it's not a simple variation of either. And GM does not.
Who thinks GM would manufacture a hyped up handing production Corvette based on a Z06, stripped out, an MSRP of $118,000, (the same as a ZR1 with 100hp less) and no magnetic ride or blower?
Maybe my logic works a little differently than yours. Please do continue with the itemization of parts in an LS7.
Man, that thing is ugly. Look at the Jay Leno Chin Splitter.
Looks like they might be using drilled rotors... SVT used drilled rotors on Red.
Its sooooo square!!! Its looks like a Lego. It's really starting to look like a Pontiac.
c'mon now, you know as well as i do that, in the end, these car companies are in the business of making money and that's just all there is to it. pride, history, legacy, all that crap takes a back seat to the all mighty and powerful dollar bill. we both know that it's completely unrealistic for GM to price the Z28 in the boss 302 range, if only for the fact that it would be stepping on the toes of the 1LE.
speaking of which, the 1LE is what's between the SS and the ZL1. sure, it doesn't offer much in the way of unique parts like the boss does, but its performance speaks for itself(to my chagrin:nonono. you can call it a simple variation of the SS, but that's nothing more than semantics. especially when anyone actually interested in these cars views the 1LE as a unique model. it's akin to saying the Z06 isn't a model, but rather just an option code.
how would your proposed ultimate track corvette differ from the viper ACR vs the standard SRT10?
or the cobra R vs the standard cobra?
911 GT2 vs 911 turbo?
GT-R spec V vs standard GT-R?
R8 GT vs R8 5.2?
i could go on. to get to the point, higher performance costs more money, even if you're getting fewer features. also, the 2012 corvette Z06 w/ Z07 package, carbon package, and centennial package MSRPs at ~$101,000 while the '12 ZR1 MSRPs at $111,000. strip down the interior, add some real aero to it(see: viper ACR splitter, wing), and produce only a few hundred, how is an ~$115,000 MSRP unrealistic? that's pretty much what a 911 GT3 retails for(another example of a completely stripped down and utterly track focused car), yet it would absolutely annihilate said GT3 in every single performance metric. hell, the Z28 might put a hurting on the GT3 everywhere besides maybe braking...