lets talk fuel system, whipple, cams and mods

[snakebite2]

going to be putting on a 2.9 Whipple this winter build and maybe some stage 3 cams im looking in to staying with my 4lb lower or swapping out the ring for a stock size also i run a mgw shifter full maximum motor sports suspension, cooling mods, slp long tubes, xpipe, catback, irs brace but may also swap that for the ford racing irs diff cover. and right now still the stock fuel set up with a sct tune

looking for some input on pulley sizes and fuel systems. where i live in utah we are at 4400 feet with 91 octane please dont drill me on the octane level i know the difference and seems everytime i post i hear about 93 lol

what kind of pulley set ups do you Whipple guys run, fuel systems also

if you are running cams please chime in trying to decide if i want to do them and what exactly im going to do also looking to run 650-800 to give a idea :beer:

 

[testorossa1989]

You need to do some searching my friend

From the sounds of it you really need to look up 2.9s setups and what other members are doing. That put a side, 2.9 on 91octane to make power is highly doubtful. You need to address fuel aids. Im going about this very kindly.

Put in your position i would strongly consider running either octane booster, or e85. While you can use your stock fuel rails and lines with a 2.9, i wouldnt suggest it since it brings you into that power range where it begins to become a handicap. Basically do it right the first time instead of putting together all this fuel work and having to find out your car is starving on the dyno. The cams will help you but if numbers is what your seeking the fuel is going to be what restricts you in your setup IMO. I wouldnt go higher than 19psi on any pump fuel

 

[1Kona_Venom]

I edited my comment, as I have ZERO knowledge of higher altitude stuff.

Marc (member on here) use to have a Comp Orange w/ a 2.9 lived in Utah high elevation IIRC.

Found it----> http://www.svtperformance.com/forums/terminator-talk-229/801192-2-9-whipple-more-build.html

 

[snakebite2]

You need to do some searching my friend

From the sounds of it you really need to look up 2.9s setups and what other members are doing. That put a side, 2.9 on 91octane to make power is highly doubtful. You need to address fuel aids. Im going about this very kindly.

Put in your position i would strongly consider running either octane booster, or e85. While you can use your stock fuel rails and lines with a 2.9, i wouldnt suggest it since it brings you into that power range where it begins to become a handicap. Basically do it right the first time instead of putting together all this fuel work and having to find out your car is starving on the dyno. The cams will help you but if numbers is what your seeking the fuel is going to be what restricts you in your setup IMO. I wouldnt go higher than 19psi on any pump fuel

ive done my searching havent really found the things im looking for. ive been searching thought the post but i dont have all the time in the world to search page after page thats why im asking here in my post what others have done so i can learn things i may not know and be able to find my post easier . as for 91 octane and 4400 feet its no different then say sea level and 93 octane.

 

[snakebite2]

I edited my comment, as I have ZERO knowledge of higher altitude stuff.

Marc (member on here) use to have a Comp Orange w/ a 2.9 lived in Utah high elevation IIRC.

Found it----> http://www.svtperformance.com/forums/terminator-talk-229/801192-2-9-whipple-more-build.html

im good friends with marc but the text back from him the other day didnt say much other then he had Premier Performance do most the work so he wasnt to sure. i may just have to meet up with him and see what i can get out of him

 

[snakebite2]

what fuel systems most you guys running

 

[snakebite2]

anyone?

 

[xxjaymanzxx]

Looking for that kinda power go with a return fuel system

 

[KilledbyKenne]

Have you tried asking Premier what they would suggest? The twins are very knowledgeable with modding Mustangs (if you didn't already know), and they will be able to get you what you need at unbeatable prices.

 

[snakebite2]

ive talked to heath but would like to also see what other have ran in there cars so i can get a better idea of what i would want to run

 

[KilledbyKenne]

Cool. What area are you located in if you don't mind me asking.

 

[GTpower01]

Return Style fuel system:



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Behind Bars Racing has been in business for quite awhile and their very knowledgable of thier products and these cars. Very friendly, excellent service, and badass products... Was looking at glenns performance, but really like these setups better, as I heard from many with glenns setups, the car can starves for fuel with a smaller tank towards empty, due to turning and such. Also, Behind bars racing are all tig welded and are made for custom applications. Very nice craftsmanship... Good luck!

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good luck bud!

 

[MalcolmV8]

My 2.9 did not clear the factory fuel rails so you'll need some Fore rails right off the bat. At that point you might as well go return but it's not required. You'll need bigger injectors. ID1000s are top of the line for factory like idle and drivabiltiy characteristics.

I also only have 91 pump gas. This limited how much timing I could put in the car. I was running around 17 degrees and while the car was faster than ported / pulley'd Eatons it didn't feel very fast and kinda laggy on the hit around 3k rpms. It would pull harder as the RPMs increased. So I sprayed water methanol injection and turned up the timing to 24 degrees and wow it really woke the car up big time. I use a J&S Vampire to monitor and prevent knock (detonation). Without the water/meth the timing I'm running would not be possible.

So what I'm getting at is the blower is not that impressive on 91 pump gas because of how little timing you can run. You'll need water/meth or torco or what ever method you find of increasing octane so you can add some timing. Once you do the blower wakes up big time.

 

[John at J&S]

How much boost are you running?

 

[JustaGT5408]

what fuel systems most you guys running

I'm running a 2.9 whipple on mine. Elevation is of course a little different and I am on E85 but here is my setup.

Fuel setup is a Fore/lethal walbro triple pump return fuel system. 3 walbro GSS342 pumps custom wired with monster distribution block, hydraulic fittings on top of the line hose, triple -6 to y block, -10 to fore fuel filter housing, -10 to fore fuel rail, -8 crossover to fore regulator with metco gauge and -8 return line. FRPP 80 lb/hr injectors.

As for the pulley's my car has billetflow pullies, a lethal snub idler, and Reichart tensioner. Running a 3" upper pulley with a metco 2lb lower which puts me right at 22-23psi on E85

Hope this helps :beer:

 

[MalcolmV8]

How much boost are you running?

If you were asking me 20 PSI.