LFP is just another copy cat

[Dana]

And, Dana your input has everything to do with you hating LFP. Anytime anyone posts that they might buy something from LFP, you start IM'ing them and everything hating no LFP.

I don't deny that I don't like LFP and their business practices, but that wasn't the subject of your post or mine, it was about heat conductivity of aluminum vs. plastic. You introduced the topic of my feelings towards LFP, not me. You made mistakes in that post and apparently are making more in this one. Like I said in the earlier post, please check your facts first.

And about communicating with others about my experiences with LFP, I have, when asked, sent messages to members who inquired. And I will continue to do so until the matter is resolved. I feel that no one should be treated as I was by him. I have never told anyone not to purchase anything from LFP, I have only related the incident I experienced with him and let the person make their own decision.

Dana

 

[combatstang]

......I still don't see what the big deal is about, this Eric guy gets some competition and all of the sudden he's freaking out. Beat LFP at their own game is all I'm saying... do it right, not on a message board..........

Its not competition that is the problem. It is because LFP is using pfab's box(that he made) to sell their own. They didn't use his idea, they copied his product. He idea is up for grabs. Like others have said, eric didn't invent the concept, he merely applied it to this application and then made it work. LFP bought one of his, took pics of it, slapped the pics on their site, said that they are their own pics, made a story up about 8 months of design going into it and is trying to sell his exact box.

It's one thing if they saw his idea and made something similar.

 

[redstaf426]

Whoops, you got that backwards. Aluminum transfers a lot more heat than plastic and your number show it. Aluminum transfers 237 watts/meter * degrees kelvin. Plastic transfers 0.2 watts/meter * degrees kelvin. Using these numbers, aluminum transfers approximately 1000 times more heat (watts) per material thickness (meters) at a given temperature (in kelvin). Thats why the radiator and the heat exchanger are made of aluminum not plastic.

Truthfully,I think a lot of y'all are thinking way too deep here which really gets no where.I do not believe the tank will help what so ever on the street or a road coarse(Sorry,Eric)But I know it ain't going to hurt it,Even lets say the under hood temperature is excessive or what ever,heat rises and will escape through the hood vents( with hood mod) which is right above Eric's Reservoir.
(without hood mod)......Aluminum absorbs and disapates heat better,yes;but disapates with "fluid or air transfer",what happends when your radiator fan goes out??you over heat!!what happends when your thermostate doesn't open up??you over heat!!The intercooler "fluid" temperature will be drasticly lower then the actual under hood temperature(It is not going to be even remotely,nearly as hot as engine/engine coolant temperature),therefore "if" the reservoir is as hot as the engine temperature or close to it,it will cause the fluid to warm up inside it regardless,no doubt,like the Cobra-Master said.Cus the fluid will absorb the heat along with air passing through an aluminum core or tube or box or what ever if the fluid is at a "cooler temperature" then the actual "aluminum parts"This is how coolant absorbs "heat" from our "aluminum" heads .

The thing about it is,because the hood vent allows the heat to escape right above and around the reservoir,personally,I feel the reservoir heat soaking is not going to be a major issue with a hood mod;but might still occur with long periods of driving(not sure)A ceremic coating,heat sheild or cover might help to prevent engine heat being absorbed.I think the reservoir will be a very valueable tool/part at the drag strip "ONLY" though,with ice in the tank.Before going down the strip after cool down with engine off,turning the Pump on to circulate the ice water in the system,while circulating,keep a themperature probe of some sort at the top of the reservoir to ensure optimal temperature,if it gets warmer while circulating,drain or suck out some warm fluid and add more ice and water until the temperature stablizes while circulating,push the car to the staging lane, give it a few more degrees of timing,add alittle more fuel,and have the ice water and the computer do it's thing.I've seen more then 30-50+ hp gain on a decent liquid to air set up on ice water before when it is done right,and as much as 0.3-0.5+ second difference ETs on a drag strip(this is on a turbo "4" cylinder,guys).Anything else it would have made no difference or drastic effects what so ever.JMO from experiance.The factory liquid to air intercooler is the reason why I bought this car,cus if done right with ice water,an air to air intercooler ain't got nothing on the liquid at a drag strip.A bigger reservoir is exactly what the factory intercooler system lacks,I've been waiting for some one to come out with a much bigger reservoir ever since I bought the car(no bull).first it was Vortech,then some dude(forgot who),and now Eric,so far,Eric's design is by far the easiest and most efficient for installation and function.

Ever saw that TV show "Worst case scenerio"??There was this "Electrical Engineer" that could not fix a flash light :lol1: ,need I say more....J/K.

 

[combatstang]

redstaf426 that is too much to read. lol

 

[FordFreak]

Its not competition that is the problem. It is because LFP is using pfab's box(that he made) to sell their own. They didn't use his idea, they copied his product. He idea is up for grabs. Like others have said, eric didn't invent the concept, he merely applied it to this application and then made it work. LFP bought one of his, took pics of it, slapped the pics on their site, said that they are their own pics, made a story up about 8 months of design going into it and is trying to sell his exact box.

It's one thing if they saw his idea and made something similar.

Exactly.... This is why Im upset. I’m not upset cause of the competition! I'm comfortable with myself and my skills to where competition like this doesn’t bother me.

 

[Cobra-Master]

...LFP bought one of his, took pics of it, slapped the pics on their site, said that they are their own pics, made a story up about 8 months of design going into it and is trying to sell his exact box.

If this is true, then I agree that is completely wrong to do.

I'll give Eric the benefit of the doubt then and agree that LFP is pulling some bullshit. Unfortunately, folks will still go for the bargain.

I agree that the 8 month development story on LFP's website is stupid. Anyone could sketch this up and get it fabbed quicker than that.

Eric, good luck with your case... maybe you can cut some costs to head LFP off at the pass.

 

[Cobra-Master]

I have never told anyone not to purchase anything from LFP, I have only related the incident I experienced with him and let the person make their own decision.

Dana

This is a crock of crap - you talk about needing to check facts... you need to check your PM sent items.

I have a PM from you on modfords.com from way back hinting I shouldn't buy from LFP when I was thinking about buying from LFP because you said LFP ripped you off on a pulley kit.

 

[Cobra-Master]

:dw:
So if aluminum isnt the best choice, then why are the majority of heatsinks made of aluminum??

Aren't stock SN95 radiators a hybrid made from aluminum and plastic?

 

[redstaf426]

redstaf426 that is too much to read. lol

Sorry,it's just :idea: :beer:

 

[FordFreak]

Aren't stock SN95 radiators a hybrid made from aluminum and plastic?

Plastic side tanks only. Thats only so the radiator can be dissasembled and rodded out if need be. All you do is bend back the small aluminum tabs and pull the plastic side tanks off. Thats how they are repaired.
Think about processor heat sinks... They are aluminum, cause aluminum is fairly cheap and a better conductor of heat than common plastics.

 

[kilroy]

For all of you guys that are saying you'd pay extra, do you always get the brand name prescription when you get a prescription filled? Do you pay the $30 copay when you could only pay $5? If you aren't getting the brand name drug, then then you are leeching someone else's technology.

You're telling me a generic drug is available for a newly released drug? They are not. Only after patent expiration. So after the originating company is given its due for a period of time, others may duplicate the formula.

 

[Cobra-Master]

You're telling me a generic drug is available for a newly released drug? They are not. Only after patent expiration. So after the originating company is given its due for a period of time, others may duplicate the formula.

No, I didn't say that generics were available for new drugs did I? The word "new" isn't even in my question.

I'm seeing all these posts about how these guys would pay an extra $100 to the innovator, and about ethics, etc. I'm asking do they feel the same about using generic drugs. Do they support those innovators and pass on the generics?

 

[Cobra-Master]

Plastic side tanks only. Thats only so the radiator can be dissasembled and rodded out if need be. All you do is bend back the small aluminum tabs and pull the plastic side tanks off. Thats how they are repaired.
Think about processor heat sinks... They are aluminum, cause aluminum is fairly cheap and a better conductor of heat than common plastics.

Thanks Eric. I hope you prevail on your case against LFP.

 

[03InThe11s]

I don't have to defend myself, you moron

Was that directed towards me? thats a good way to keep buisness.
your right. you dont have to defend yourself. but any f*cking moron would.
:loser: you ripped off an idea, you got caught, and hopefully you pay dearly for it.

 

[03InThe11s]

When I mention 8 mo. it's only to emphasis that we were working on one of our own. Not that we were literally working on the piece. Personally I only took measurements and that took about 2 min.

so, what is it? did you develope it for 8 months? or did you think about it 8 months ago, and it took you that long to copy, umm, produce your own box? are you lying on your website? or on this forum? or both? basicaly, what your trying to say is that it only took you about 2 minutes to measure fordfreak4.6's design and copy it. isnt that sweet of ya. it looks like you, my friend, are the moron.

 

[MonsterMark]

I just want to know whose box is in the picture?

That will tell everything everybody needs to know.

 

[Mark@LFP]

From the time we decided to make the tank to the time we did the moc-up was approx. 8 mo. If you don't like the time frame too bad. Did we work on it daily for 8 mo.? of course we didn't. It's not up for your interpretation. A story line isn't necessary on either this site or my website. Non of the critics on this thread are interested in what we did or how we did it.
Your only function here is to attempt to demonize, nothing more nothing less (feeble at best). Anybody with half a brain can read through your polished rhetoric.
Bottom line is we have a tank. We have been working on a tank. If your not interested in it don't buy it. It's simple.
Anything else you do at this point will show what your really wanting is to vent your hate for a vender.
Go find another ambulance to chase. The LFP police need to find something to do with their pitiful lives.
Pick it apart, cut/paste/micro quote/take out of context all you want. It only shows your true intent. Thanks to this thread I now have a waiting list for the product. We are working on the Lightning tank.
I will post my time from measuring to moc-up as soon as we can for your future pleasure.
Happy New Year!

 

[combatstang]

Mark, I only have one question for you:

Is that a tank on your site one that you made? Did you design and fabricate that ACTUAL peice?

 

[Bad03Cobra]

Thanks to this thread I now have a waiting list for the product. We are working on the Lightning tank.

I am sure you do??????????? :fart: :fart: :fart: :fart:

 

[tickingcobra]

From the time we decided to make the tank to the time we did the moc-up was approx. 8 mo. If you don't like the time frame too bad. Did we work on it daily for 8 mo.? of course we didn't. It's not up for your interpretation. A story line isn't necessary on either this site or my website. Non of the critics on this thread are interested in what we did or how we did it.
Your only function here is to attempt to demonize, nothing more nothing less (feeble at best). Anybody with half a brain can read through your polished rhetoric.
Bottom line is we have a tank. We have been working on a tank. If your not interested in it don't buy it. It's simple.
Anything else you do at this point will show what your really wanting is to vent your hate for a vender.
Go find another ambulance to chase. The LFP police need to find something to do with their pitiful lives.
Pick it apart, cut/paste/micro quote/take out of context all you want. It only shows your true intent. Thanks to this thread I now have a waiting list for the product. We are working on the Lightning tank.
I will post my time from measuring to moc-up as soon as we can for your future pleasure.
Happy New Year!

Hey Mark, I am one that is wanting one :beer: ...It's just like everything else, once one person claims somebody is a crook people join in and start their flame wars without ever knowing the truth (typical on here)....................... Like I said all this did is put the word out that LFP is selling them at a lower cost, well Have a great day :coolman: