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  1. TERMIN8TR

    TERMIN8TR New Member Established Member

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    For all those that say that ticketing is NOT for revenue but for safety.

    Cities searching for revenue look to their police departments as a way to cash in.

    More Tickets in Hard Times - MSN Autos


    Motorists beware: In some communities, police are issuing tickets during these hard times at a rate higher than ever in what critics say is an attempt to raise revenue in order to offset budget shortfalls.

    Take, for example, the metropolitan Detroit area, which has been reeling economically much longer than has the rest of the country. The number of moving violations issued has increased by at least 50 percent in 18 communities in the metro area since 2002 — and 11 of those municipalities have seen ticketing increases of 90 percent or more. During that time, Michigan has cut revenue sharing to communities by $3 billion. Officials are scrambling to balance their budgets amid the tumbling economy, and some people say the authorities are turning to traffic cops for help.

    The president of a state police union isn't pretending it doesn't happen. James Tignanelli, president of the Police Officers Association of Michigan union, says, "When elected officials say, 'We need more money,' they can't look to the department of public works to raise revenues, so where do they find it? Police departments.

    "A lot of police chiefs will tell you the goal is to have nobody speeding through their community, but heaven forbid if it should actually happen — they'd be out of money," Tignanelli says.

    Police Chief Michael Reaves of Utica, Michigan, says the role of law enforcement has changed over the years. "When I first started in this job 30 years ago, police work was never about revenue enhancement, but if you're a chief now, you have to look at whether your department produces revenues," he says. "That's just the reality nowadays."

    Motorists such as George Hilliard are outraged at the ramped-up traffic enforcement. Hilliard, a 49-year-old warehouse worker who's been laid off, says he got a ticket last year near his home in Dearborn Heights on a section of road where the speed limit drops suddenly from 45 to 35 mph. A few weeks later, his son got a ticket on the same stretch of road. A few weeks after that, according to Hilliard, his other son got a ticket in the same spot.

    "The cops sit out there and pick people off, one by one," Hilliard says. "They're catching people left and right. There's a McDonald's right there, and they pull people in there all day. They'll give you a ticket for going five miles over the speed limit. They're making so much money off people, it's ridiculous." Driving 5 mph over the limit is a $90 ticket in Dearborn Heights and tacks two points onto the motorist's driving record.

    Garrett TeWinkle of Seal Beach, California, was headed to a wedding in Ohio recently when he was given a speeding ticket in Taylor, a few miles from Detroit Metro Airport.

    "I was astounded to get a speeding ticket," TeWinkle says. "Even my wife, who is my harshest critic, says there is no way I was driving as fast as the officer said. I hadn't had a ticket in years.

    "I had been under the impression that Michigan was trying to promote tourism," TeWinkle says. "Great way to make a first impression — no wonder the state's economy is in the porcelain."

    Kathleen Weckler of Bloomfield Hills, Michigan, feels the same way. Last year, on her 80th birthday, she was on her way to the dentist when a police officer in nearby Birmingham gave her a ticket for running a red light. Weckler insists she didn't run the light — "but you can't fight them. It's their word against yours," she says.

    "I told one officer that I used to tell my children that police officers are their friend — but with the [ticket] quotas, they are not any more," Weckler says.

    Some police officers, such as Sgt. Richard Lyons of Trenton, Michigan, say they don't like being pressured to write more tickets.

    "That's not what I got into law enforcement for — to hand out chintzy tickets," says Lyons, a 21-year veteran. "Things have changed from when I first started in this job. There was a time when you'd come in, do your job, and go home.

    But I've never felt pressure to bring revenue to the city like we do now.

    "It's a whole different ball game now," Lyons says. "They're trying to use police officers to balance the budget on the backs of drivers, and it's too bad. The people we count on to support us and help us when we're on the road are the ones who end up paying the bills, and they're ticked off about it. We might as well just go door to door and tell people, 'Slide us $100 now since your 16-year-old is going to end up paying us anyway when he starts driving.' You can't blame people for getting upset."

    Jack Walker of Flint was given two speeding tickets within a few weeks of each other last year while driving in Orion Township. He says police are more aggressive than ever about stopping motorists.

    "It's getting ridiculous: Police are using us as their fundraiser, and it's not right," Walker says. "They have more important things to do."


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  2. My94GT

    My94GT Well-Known Member Established Member

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    i will say most the time i get pulled over i was in the wrong......
     
  3. DRTHV8R

    DRTHV8R I am your father. Established Member

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    I noticed this happening not to long ago when i was pulled over for running a yellow light and the person behind me ran a red. The person behind me turned right at the next turn and i got pulled over.

    His excuse.. Don"t worry about him i pulled "you" over.
     
  4. Hmbre97

    Hmbre97 Eaton powered Established Member

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    Our town is bad about using the police officers for revenue generation. In fact, I had to go in this morning for a ticket I got for running a stop sign which I did not run.
     
  5. Fordman9870

    Fordman9870 Proud Dad of Twin Marines Established Member

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    I just payed my ticket yesterday, $75 fee plus $75 for court cost to get court supervision. so it wont be on the record after 30 days
     
  6. WireEater

    WireEater Dumpster Baby Established Member

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    And again, if this bothers you then don't break the law.
     
  7. Cobra Jet 429

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    I'm a delivery driver....
    I RELY on tips I get for getting food to the customer fast.
    They don't want lukewarm pasta dinners, grinders, or pizza.
    If it's cold I get little to no tip.
    Do I speed, hell yes I speed!
    Course I'm smart about it, but still my job REQUIRES me to speed.
    The town I deliver in is big enough where my delivery could be a 5 mile drive one way! On top of that it's all hill roads with no direct route, it's friday night at 8:30, and the shop is slammed. Yeah let me slow it down.
    I have gotten pulled over, but the LEOs in town are pretty understanding that if I don't speed, I don't make money. Why? Because I deliver to atleast 1 of them a night, and just like the rest of us they want hot fresh food, not lukewarm crap. But they bust pretty much everyone elses' balls. Especially since the town borders another state, tho I give them props for that since most of the CT drivers only clog the roads up and cause issues since the traffic laws are abit different. But reguardless getting a ticket for 5 over? That's geniune BULLSHIT! Thats within the margin of error for a speedometer. A motorist thinks they are doing just over 30, lets say 32, but the speedo is off 3 miles per hour, bam 5 over the limit... and a motorist who believes they aren't in the wrong. Well now it's a fat ticket... so apparently, everyone is supposed to do exactly the speed limit, not a MPH over, with no margin for error. These people aren't doing like 20mph over the limit, they are getting tickets for minor offenses that at best warrant a written or verbal warning. Call it personal responsibility if you want, I call it BS, with all the drivers on the road there NEEDS to be breathing room. Not everyone has a perfectly calibrated speedo, not everyone has cruise control, and not everyone is driving under the same circumstances.
     
  8. bones srt-4

    bones srt-4 yep,still a neon. Established Member

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    please let that happen here in my town , the police don't even bother with people who speed , run stop signs, fail to use turn signals, improper lane use ( using the turning lane as a merge lane).
     
  9. Gallows

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    Cops have stepped up a bit here but overall they are still laid back for the most part. I went through a road check staffed with 6 cops and 20 cadets a couple of weeks ago with tinted windows and dumps and all they were interested in was my inspection and plate.
     
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    *sigh*

    Being more diligent isnt illegal. You dont understand, cops cant MAKE you commit a violation, but they sure can pay better attention and get you for shit you usually get away with.
     
  11. assasyn

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    They have been parked outside my hood the last few days. I got stopped on Monday for my inspection being out on my company car. He let me go, but said "I'll be here tomorrow too." Wink.
     
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    Please tell me it was Hutto PD. Most of the LE organizations in our area are great. Hutto PD and Sunset Valley are the laughing stock of them all. Even the UPD's in town make fun of them. I've heard stories of HPD's antics in the continuing ed classes officers have to attend. They also only have 16 or so traffic lights in town and half those lights have red light cameras.
     
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    This.

    I hate when people bitch because of more LEOs on the road enforcing the law. If you obey traffic controls/signs you won't get a ticket.
     
  15. ViciousJay

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    wanna make a bet!
     
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    how about if your blamed for someone elses actions and not your own... hmmmmmmmm

    LEO have too much power, you guys saying "dont break the law blah blah blah" its not about that... its the fact that they can f*** with you more, hell gotta love that patriot act that says if your a suspected terrorist you haev NO RIGHTS! beautful country we have here
     
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    So why not leave if you hate it? Renounce your citizenship and move to Iran. That would suit you better anyway.
     
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    aussie looks better and better, wouldnt mind, wanna add to my moving , guess you like being told what to do what to like and have your rights strickened one at a time....
     
  19. txyaloo

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    LMFAOOOOO!!!! You think Australia has more freedoms than us? You are freaking insane. Their political system is more based on the British than ours which means they have even less social freedoms than us. Australian citizens are constantly watched and monitored more so than us. Hell, even their internet access has a country wide firewall similar to China, Iran, etc that blocks access to sites the government considers inflammatory.

    It's a great place to visit. I've been twice and am considering spending next summer there, but it is not a great place to live if you bitch about how poor our government is.
     
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    What about Wilco? When I lived in Austin, they were always ones to hassle people.
     

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