FordSVTFan said:
The law suppose to be the same for every driver,
If in the note section he write "radar detector" (that he doesnt want to give a break) that mean the officer profile the driver as a speeder because he carry a radar detector .
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The law suppose to be the same for every driver,
If in the note section he write "radar detector" (that he doesnt want to give a break) that mean the officer profile the driver as a speeder because he carry a radar detector .
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jean said:
WRONG!!!!
The person was stopped for speeding, I walk up and see a radar detector on the windshield, I issue them a ticket. I have done it several times and explained it in court, and won. Now, if I stopped him only because I saw the radar detector, and had no probable cause, then that would be profiling. Your terminology is all wrong.
So based on what you say, everyone should receive the ticket for the reason they are stopped... I completely agree, that is why I write everyone!!
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sleepergt98 said:
I'm a moderator now??? wooo hooo.... oh, wait.. no I'm not...
No, I am not above it. :fart:
Lawman85 said:
So since you write all tickets no matter what, it shouldnt matter if they have the detector in the first place eh? :coolman: :rolling:
FordSVTFan said:
I like to know when I'm being profiled for being in a cobra....
ya right...are you effing kidding me? I speed. I know it. I've got the tickets to prove it.
I don't deny it like some idiots. I know its a matter of time before I get another one. I average one about every 2 years. Last one I got I was being paced 4 lanes over. I'm 23 and have 8 tickets on my record.
But ya see the thing is I know I'm guilty when I'm pulled over. I've never gotten a ticket and had to think whether or not I was speeding.
I'm honest and tell the cop yes I was and I go on my way. I thank them for doing there job too. My dad taught me that they are god when they have you pulled over. So I kiss their ass like I'm trying to get into heaven.
Most of the time being honest makes the cop laugh and I get a reduced fine.
Have I ever thought about taking a ticket to court? No. Why? It would be a waste of time. I know I'm guilty.
Will I learn? Probably not. Will I ever stop speeding? Doubtful. I never bother to hide my detector when I get pulled over. Since I bought one I've never been given a speeding ticket. I've been paced twice and gotten them. I know they know I have one. That's why they pace me instead of lighting me up.
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jean said:
That is not possible!!! Until you stop a vehicle you dont know whether or not there is even a radar detector. So the stop was effected because of the violation of the speed limit. A profile would lead to a traffic stop not occur after a stop. The P.C. for the stop was the speeding violation. If you dont get a break because of a radar detector, that sucks but it isnt profiling and it isnt illegal or unethical or a violation of anything.
The law is the same for everyone as I have stated before, except some drivers talk their way further into tickets and others talk their way out of tickets!!
Now it's got me wondering...do you LEOs admit that profiling does go on as far as cars are concerned, as VirtualSVT stated? Many a time have I had the radar blasted at me, doing the speed limit while someone went by my left 10+mph over me. why? because they were in a minivan or taurus and I was in a shiny mustang...at least i think so?
PS: about the study, I'll look for it...it's something I read a review about around a year ago...not sure as to its validity which is why I was asking. As for myself: I find that I go no more than 5mph over with a radar detector whereas when just "flowing with traffic" that number increases simply because i'm flowing with traffic and not listening to my detector...so, if I were asked to participate in such a study it'd probably hold up in my case...
PS: about the study, I'll look for it...it's something I read a review about around a year ago...not sure as to its validity which is why I was asking. As for myself: I find that I go no more than 5mph over with a radar detector whereas when just "flowing with traffic" that number increases simply because i'm flowing with traffic and not listening to my detector...so, if I were asked to participate in such a study it'd probably hold up in my case...
sleepergt98 said:
Its not really so much peace of mind. Driving within 4 or 5 mph of the speed limit would be peace of mind and cut down on the stress. However, as an example, if you drive consistently 10-15+ mph over the speed limit without a radar detector, it would seem that you're likely to get stopped more frequently than someone with a quality detector. With the increase in frequency, the judgement is left to law officers whether to issue a ticket or give a warning and that will obviously vary. Some will have mercy, some may not. While you're more likely to receive roadside leniency going without the detector, once you've been pulled, whether you get the ticket or not is solely resting on the judgement of the LEO. Now with the detector, you are still driving the hypothetical 15 mph over, but are now getting more warnings with beeps, chirps, flashing lights, arrows, etc. in all likelihood. That, I think, is what the resident LEOs here are trying to convey. Those audible warnings you are receiving from the unit are being looked upon as the same as the officer letting you roll without a ticket after the stop. If he catches you with the detector, he's figuring you've gotten a lot of warnings in the past and that you bought the device for those warnings. That isn't hard for me to reason. He's standing at your window because he just clocked you whether you're using a detector or not. What is he suppose to think if you've got a detector? That said, having the detector will no doubt effect how many times you get pulled when you disregard the limit. The detector is going to save you some of those times. How many is the unknown factor. You just simply accept the fact that eventually you will get pulled over and you will get a ticket in this circumstance.
Fortunately, its been a long time since I've been in that position. I do drive a bit faster than the posted limit usually, but I'm not one to cruise at a sustained 15+ mph and I feel that I do so safely. I would guess that my speeding would fall into an average to high average range, because I am passed about as often as I pass someone else.
Trooper4985 said:
Singling people out for having a radar detector seems a little dumb seeing that most of the LEO's have com to the genereal concensus that they don't work. If they don't work how is using one cheating?
cashstacker said:
Your question is like saying why arrest someone who only tried to rob the bank... his attempt didn't work so just act like he didn't even try.
Like I posted before... having a detector means you intend to violate the law and don't want to get caught doing so. The good guy (read police) is always supposed to be more heavily armed and if the bad guy (read violator) is using something in an effort to defeat one of my tools... that's cheating.
We have begun to beat a dead horse I think though... Us (LE) saying that we are generally unwilling to give reductions to violators with detectors isn't going to influence people to not waste their money on detectors just like you guys whining to us about not giving people with detctors breaks isn't going to change our personal ticket practices.
In the end it comes down to this... Don't violate the traffic laws and you wont have to worry about me writing you a ticket because you felt the need to get some gadget and stick it to your windshield.
I find it easier to accept the fact that there are things about this world that I don't think are fair or right but know that I can't change. Everyone of you could have been a police officer if you wanted to try to change the world. I'm far to wise to think I can change much more than a tire once in a while.
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sleepergt98 said:
woah woah woah woah woah.....I was kidding.
When they do a speed trap down here they light up everybody on the road.
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sleepergt98 said:
No profiling doesn't go on.... atleast not at my agency. You have to have articulable suspicion to stop a car. If you don't have it, then the stop is illegal. As far as shootin vehicles, your statement has a flaw. Radar can't be "blasted" at a single car, it covers several lanes. Laser is the only device that can single out a vehicle. When operating radar or laser, the first rule is to visual estimate the speed of a vehicle, then verify your estimate with the machine. So if your in a shiny mustang and I don't estimate your speed is more than 10 over the limit, I won't even put the little red dot on you and waiste my time. I stop speeders no matter what they are driving.
Lawman85 said:
Thanks for the clarification. Well said. Unfortunately there are some small town cops around here that will tailgate you for miles (seemingly trying to get you to speed or make a mistake) just because you are in a sports car =/. Some of us save the racing and speeding for the track, no around town where it's unsafe, ya know? But now I'm just rambling...so thanks for the info lawman85
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sleepergt98 said:
It's good you save it for the track, there aren't enough people that do. As long as your car is legal (taillights, brakelights, taglilghts, window tint, etc), then you shouldn't have a problem.
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A lot cops profile cars and drivers,some wont admit it, some will, big deal. Get over it, there's nothing wrong with it. If they didn't profile, they wouldn't catch half the idiots driving around with drugs in their car, etc....
My point is- profiling exists, it exists for a reason, and it does more good than harm. Now get over it and go on with your life.
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My point is- profiling exists, it exists for a reason, and it does more good than harm. Now get over it and go on with your life.
(not directed to anyone in particular)
iCEMANSGCCC said:
Basing you patrol tactics on numbers isn't profiling... it's called police work. If I know 1 in 3 cars I stop that is full of kids after 1AM in a certain area of town ends in a DWI or drugs arrest... guess where I'm hanging out at 1AM and stopping every car I can with kids in it for whatever violations I can find. Carlos Mencia had a good skit on profiling about Arabs... it was 19 Arab males who hijacked jet liners and crashed them into buildings... hence being tougher on checking Arab males seem logical at airports... the same hold up on the road.
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