SERIOUS DISCUSSION: Universal Minimum Income

[RedVenom48]

Id like to see an automated robot bring a car in need of service or repair into a service bay and diagnose the problem, remove all necessary components to get to failed parts without breaking anything, fixing said issue, reassembling car and road testing it for safety.

That robot would cost MILLIONS of dollars, be more complicated than any machine currently on the planet and be unable to process fix and diagnose the unforeseen issue that typically happen in many repair instances.

There are just some jobs that cannot feasibly be replaced by robots for the distant future. There will ALWAYS be a need for skilled labor.

 

[oooooh snap]

It would never be sustainable. Never.

 

[Blown 89]

I remember this conversation in the 90's when computers were starting to take off. The digital revolution led to a tons of tech related jobs and the unemployment rate hasn't changed much since then. The same will happen in the OP's scenario.

 

[Tractorman]

This is the candlemaker fallacy. With the invention of the lightbulb, all the candle makers are going to be jobless and starve, so we have to do something to ensure that they don't. Guess what? They didn't starve and life moved on.

It's not like we're going to wake up one day and 150 million robots just replaced the entire labor force. Shifts will be gradual as the tech is adopted by companies. Layed off workers will then need to do some soul searching and plan a new career or flounder through life.

 

[pwrshft99]

"Sam Altman is the 32-year-old president of Y Combinator, which has helped fund the likes of Airbnb, Reddit, and Dropbox. He’s also behind the company’s YC Research division, whose first project is a basic income pilot project in Oakland in which 100 families of varying socioeconomic status receive $1,000 to $2,000 each month."

https://www.inverse.com/article/36277-sam-altman-basic-income-talk

Just an article that popped up I thought I'd share. It's an interesting topic

 

[CO Mack]

The irony is no tech revolution had farmers not been replaced by "robots".

 

[Screw-Rice]

The irony is no tech revolution had farmers not been replaced by "robots".

Farmers haven't been replaced, but their tech has gotten amazing. Buddy of mine is an Alfalfa grower. Was telling me of a friend of his who bought some new equipment. Expensive as hell, but the combine has GPS, they took it out in the middle of the night, set it up, and it ran the entire field in pitch black night with no lights and no input from the operator.

 

[lOOKnGO]

Farmers haven't been replaced, but their tech has gotten amazing. Buddy of mine is an Alfalfa grower. Was telling me of a friend of his who bought some new equipment. Expensive as hell, but the combine has GPS, they took it out in the middle of the night, set it up, and it ran the entire field in pitch black night with no lights and no input from the operator.

The Cheby didn't have GPS I guess.



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[Dirks9901]

We're gonna have to deal with the overpopulation problem long before a UMI or AI that would require universal income. The US (and whole world actually) is becoming vastly over populated and its causing a laundry list of problems. Some will be unsustainable.


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[Silverstrike]

The old adage of, Socialism only works until you run out of other peoples money is so true with all of this.

 

[P49Y-CY]

I remember this conversation in the 90's when computers were starting to take off. The digital revolution led to a tons of tech related jobs and the unemployment rate hasn't changed much since then. The same will happen in the OP's scenario.

this is what i was pretty much going to say to the op. for a serious discussion, i guess i would ask how this emergence of AI will be that much different that the first industrial revolution of the late 1800s.

the doom and gloom scenario that machines will replace us has been around for a very long time.

i don't think that we will see a UMI as described in any of our lifetimes, although we already do have it in many forms, such as social security, min wage, welfare, etc., and they probably will continue to be added upon.

 

[CO Mack]

Farmers haven't been replaced, but their tech has gotten amazing. Buddy of mine is an Alfalfa grower. Was telling me of a friend of his who bought some new equipment. Expensive as hell, but the combine has GPS, they took it out in the middle of the night, set it up, and it ran the entire field in pitch black night with no lights and no input from the operator.

Don't really care how you want to put this but over 70% of Americans were farmers until the industrial revolution and now it's less than 10%. So yes, farmers were replaced.

Same thing has happened with industrial manufacturing, our output has gone way up even as less and less people work in it.

This is the same exact scenario we are talking about with "robots" now.

 

[Deceptive]

What needs to happen is an end to all these safety nets for the lazy and unmotivated. You take away their welfare, payments for giving birth to their own village, and other hand outs then things will put themselves back in balance. Sure, there will always be some poverty but it would be less if we eliminated handouts.

There is no need for UMI, there is a need to make people stand own their own two feet.

We are promised opportunities to make a life for ourselves, we are not and should not be promised a certain quality of life.


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[jaxbusa]

We're gonna have to deal with the overpopulation problem long before a UMI or AI that would require universal income. The US (and whole world actually) is becoming vastly over populated and its causing a laundry list of problems. Some will be unsustainable.


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A few weeks ago I was driving in an area where I grew up and started thinking about the ridiculous amount of traffic now versus the 1990s. It's hard to imagine what the next 20 to 30 years will bring. And I am noticing a massive amount of people moving to the outskirts of the city and building neighborhoods on farm land. This got me thinking about population control. We won't have enough food to go around. I don't think we will ever see anyone in politics discussing population control until we're in dire straits. Except for immigration, of course.


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[derklug]

^^^Read The Population Bomb by Ehrlich written in 68. He predicted a bunch of doom and gloom, but was wrong on all counts. We are supposed to be out of natural resources and living in massive apartment complexes by now. Technology advances in agriculture, mining, fuel production and information processing have allowed us to keep pace with population growth.

 

[1 Alibi 2]

Stuff doesn't fix itself..

 

[598]

The Cheby didn't have GPS I guess.



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9650 is really an older combine. The gps stuff would be mostly found on 660-680 series and the newest Deere. Also, there is no head on the combine, so I think he was trying to harvest the truck in the first place

 

[598]

As a side note, This was only a partially serious post because we don't really grow chevys for harvest. It is also partially political because anyone who know farming knows there is a very clear green/red divide. Sorry for the deviation.

 

[barstowpo]

Those worried about overpopulation should drive from So CA to Montana some time.

 

[DHG1078]

Those worried about overpopulation should drive from So CA to Montana some time.

I would not mind getting away from these dense population areas.