I believe SVT produced a product superior in performance to rival anything made by after market builders, in an afforable package. What you have as comparison is Roush stage III, Saleen 281e and Steeda Q400. All of these cars start at 42,000, up to 61,000. If any of these outside builders get the rights to build to the future Cobra, I will definitely be priced right out the market. I always felt that Ford should just offer us the option for upgrade, whether it be Steeda, Saleen or Roush. Warantee and allow us to finance it thru Ford. Let me decide. Let SVT live. Just my opinion.:shrug:
SVT has gone away!
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I think everyone should pay some respect to svt we wouldnt be driving these cars if it werent for them. if you wont miss svt its one more reason for ford to close them down. ive owned two svts in two years i would never drive a corvette,corvettes anymore dont resemble mucle cars they are a snoby, big headed, old , small di$$ed, a$$holes that drive them. the mucsle car generation was created by young kids but these days kids are into suping up hondas its a shame if svt die it just kills one more piece of the true american muscle car. are there really any other options the camaros dead and come on the corvete is a sports car like a bmw,or viper. as far i see it if svt dies so does muscle!!!!!
SVT will still be around and this rumor has been blown just a bit out of proportion IMO! :nonono:
Gee i guess the RUMOR of the 5.4 supercharged cobra isn't gonna happen now huh. Once again folks the people in the know aren't talking so why start all this crap again. We go from giving each other crap about the next Cobra to now the supposed demise of SVT. This is all just a waste of time. Patience Grasshopper. Things will be okay.
Somebody said "say it ain't so" so that's exactly what I'm saying. I found out from the source that SVT is NOT going away. However, the Lightning is on hold indefinately.
Feel free to show your support to SVT by faxing them and writing letters. Sometimes it is good to show the beancounters why divisions like SVT are important.
Feel free to show your support to SVT by faxing them and writing letters. Sometimes it is good to show the beancounters why divisions like SVT are important.
Do you think maybe its a way to try and sell out the remaining SVT products? Sounds like its working in this forum.
I think that Ford needs to make performance standard in all its cars and nut just some special edition vehicle like a Cobra or Mach 1. If they do not incorporate the performance into every car, then they will be left in the dust by companies like Chrysler. They are starting to shove their Hemi's in all their cars. Have any of you driven a V6 mustang lately. They are a piece of crap. They have no balls and handle like a terd. If ford built a better V6 Mustang, than it wouldn't be as expensive to create a higher perfomance mustang because it would requires less changes and re-engineering. I believe they are accomplishing this with the 2005 Mustang. Look at Ford's other cars - would you consider any of them high performance (besides the SVT's)? Chrysler is upping the performance ante with all its cars, when is Ford going to follow?
It would not suprprise me that Ford gets rid of SVT, especially since they only have one vehicle to spread the expense over. If they got a company like Saleen involved it could be mutually beneficial. Saleens are expensive because of the amount of time they spend taking Ford's cars back apart and re-assembling. If Saleen could get involved with production at Ford's plant, there could be significant savings for Ford and Saleen. This cost savings would not be passed onto us but would help insure the continuation of a bad ass mustang.
As far as the Vette goes, it is in a different class than the Mustang. If Ford wanted to compete with it, they need to start with a different platform. Mustang has always been a cheaper, more affordable car and that is its niche. They won't mess with that niche.
It would not suprprise me that Ford gets rid of SVT, especially since they only have one vehicle to spread the expense over. If they got a company like Saleen involved it could be mutually beneficial. Saleens are expensive because of the amount of time they spend taking Ford's cars back apart and re-assembling. If Saleen could get involved with production at Ford's plant, there could be significant savings for Ford and Saleen. This cost savings would not be passed onto us but would help insure the continuation of a bad ass mustang.
As far as the Vette goes, it is in a different class than the Mustang. If Ford wanted to compete with it, they need to start with a different platform. Mustang has always been a cheaper, more affordable car and that is its niche. They won't mess with that niche.
I dont care if SVT leaves but i want tehm to keep making performance cars. but i really question how much work SVT actually did.
the focus and contours were just redone versions of teh ST170 and ST200 from europe ( i guess thats where the new ST name started)
and all teh psrts that came on my car fro teh S/R package are supposed to be ford racing parts. but none of th parts are acutall ymade by ford they are all by:
Visteon
Centerforce
Energy Suspention
B&M
Eibach
Tokico
Borla and Iceman
and the FR pullies for the Zetec are made by esslinger. i think they only actually made the plug wires, ported head and Intake mani(that doesnt fit 100% on any zetec, contour, escort OR focus)
some times i wonder what if FR is just a resale store, and that if SVT is just fords way of importing there euro cars.
the focus and contours were just redone versions of teh ST170 and ST200 from europe ( i guess thats where the new ST name started)
and all teh psrts that came on my car fro teh S/R package are supposed to be ford racing parts. but none of th parts are acutall ymade by ford they are all by:
Visteon
Centerforce
Energy Suspention
B&M
Eibach
Tokico
Borla and Iceman
and the FR pullies for the Zetec are made by esslinger. i think they only actually made the plug wires, ported head and Intake mani(that doesnt fit 100% on any zetec, contour, escort OR focus)
some times i wonder what if FR is just a resale store, and that if SVT is just fords way of importing there euro cars.
How can people say they don't care if SVT goes to the wayside. Do you honestly think that if I repeat if they do away with the SVT line that we will continue to get Cobra and Lightning performance. The new 05 GT is on a new chassis which is awesome and IMO way overdue but it has a completely redesigned engine that only puts out 300FWHP. When has the Ford division given anything in terms of raw performance or even a respectable amount of HP to the GT. I have an 01 GT which I love dearly but 260 FWHP out of a V-8 performance car. That's pretty sickening looking back at it when we have 260 FWHP V-6's, or 300 FWHP 4 cylinders. Look at the Mach1 which is an awesome performer for it's 305 hp. But still 305 hp, come on. I'm not meaning to whine about hp because it's not everything but Americans love lots of hp. GM and Chrysler are upping the hp ante for there vehicles, but the Ford division isn't. The SVT division has lately been giving us raw performance and all of us are begging for more. I know there are emissions laws that manufactures have to abide too but if GM and Chrysler can give a heavy station wagon 345FWHP at an affordable price then Ford can give a Mustang GT the same treatment. But they aren't and will continue not to in the future. So we need an SVT division with a bunch of gear heads in charge. I think a big downfall of the SVT division is marketing. Instead of spreading there vehicles to all or most high volume dealers with 1 or 2 on hand there are only certain dealerships that carry the SVT line and they have at least 4-8 on hand thus limiting the availability to customers that probably purchase at a dealership that doesn't carry the SVT line. Do you think everyone that goes to a Ford dealership even knows there is an SVT line of vehicles. I doubt the average consumer looking for a Ford vehicle knows about them. How can you sell something if only a few choice people know about it. Most people like us that have SVT vehicles went to the dealership knowing what the hell we wanted and knew more about the vehicle then any of the salesman or service technicians. But the SVT department at Ford was only given a very very limited budget to begin with. I guess they did a damn good job with what they were given. So people that say that Bill Ford is performance oriented are somewhat blind. If Coletti was the CEO we know the Cobra and Lightning would be even more impressive. If Roush or Saleen takes over the performance aspect all we will be left with is a 30 or 40 thousand large base Mustang with nice body kits and basic bolt on performance. Then the real performers will be priced 40-50 thousand large. l guess I'll quit ranting and raving and save it for when I hear it from the horses mouth. Thanks for listening.:cuss:
svt is not gone... trust me its all hype
On the topic of SVT going under, here is what one of our club members found out.
"I called SVT just a few minutes ago to try to get the scoop. The gentleman there said they are still going to release the new Cobra. He said the rumors about closing the doors are swirling because they don't have a product now and won't have one until late '06. He said we should not worry. He stated the world is going to witness the nastiest Cobra ever!
The Lightening is another story. He said they can't promise it will come out. There are many reasons why the Lightening project is in trouble.
So, let's all breath a sigh of relief or at least keep one eye open. "
As for all this talk about Ford not putting power into their cars, well you need to think outside the box. I'm not putting you down and that isn't a jab, but to think the main ingrediant of a car is power is just one way of thinking. There are those that look at price first. Others want ride quality, suspension, bells and whistles, fuel economy, etc.... In other words, just as there many different types of ice cream, there are types of cars because each person has his/her own taste. To accomodate a variety of tastes, you get what you have. Is it perfect, no. What it always will boil down to is dollars and cents. If you have ever taken an economics course, then you know that if you can break even making something, then it is worth doing. However, you must balance that with opportunity/cost analysis; or in other words, what are you giving up to produce that product and can you make more money with a different product mix. Bottom line, efficiently take your raw materials to maximize profits.
Ok, I'm getting too deep here and I don't mean to lecture as I don't have a doctorate degree. My point is that Ford wouldn't be doing what it does if there wasn't money to make. Power and money is what drives this. Those high up make good money based on bottom line profits. Those who own stock want to make money based on profits. You will only get cars from Ford that produce profits and in order to do that you have to provide different flavors because if you don't, someone else will.
Sorry to be long winded and get sucked into a different topic than this thread is intended. I hope the first part of this post puts the issue to bed.
"I called SVT just a few minutes ago to try to get the scoop. The gentleman there said they are still going to release the new Cobra. He said the rumors about closing the doors are swirling because they don't have a product now and won't have one until late '06. He said we should not worry. He stated the world is going to witness the nastiest Cobra ever!
The Lightening is another story. He said they can't promise it will come out. There are many reasons why the Lightening project is in trouble.
So, let's all breath a sigh of relief or at least keep one eye open. "
As for all this talk about Ford not putting power into their cars, well you need to think outside the box. I'm not putting you down and that isn't a jab, but to think the main ingrediant of a car is power is just one way of thinking. There are those that look at price first. Others want ride quality, suspension, bells and whistles, fuel economy, etc.... In other words, just as there many different types of ice cream, there are types of cars because each person has his/her own taste. To accomodate a variety of tastes, you get what you have. Is it perfect, no. What it always will boil down to is dollars and cents. If you have ever taken an economics course, then you know that if you can break even making something, then it is worth doing. However, you must balance that with opportunity/cost analysis; or in other words, what are you giving up to produce that product and can you make more money with a different product mix. Bottom line, efficiently take your raw materials to maximize profits.
Ok, I'm getting too deep here and I don't mean to lecture as I don't have a doctorate degree. My point is that Ford wouldn't be doing what it does if there wasn't money to make. Power and money is what drives this. Those high up make good money based on bottom line profits. Those who own stock want to make money based on profits. You will only get cars from Ford that produce profits and in order to do that you have to provide different flavors because if you don't, someone else will.
Sorry to be long winded and get sucked into a different topic than this thread is intended. I hope the first part of this post puts the issue to bed.
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Maybe they'll dump the Cobra badge and call it the Mustang II in deference to greatest Mustang of all time. Boss? Cobra? Shelby? Naww - I'm telling you guys - it's going to be called the Mustang II - and it will be available with T-Tops and the coolest rear spoiler you've ever seen!
I would like to see the SVT name continue. The reason I am here is because GM made the mistake of discontinuing the f-body and I was impressed with the SVT cobra. It was hard to justify buying a new vette because the cobra packs so much bang for the buck.
Unfortunately, the lack of an f-body to compete with can put Ford in a bad position. Right now they are the only game in town in this market. Hopefully Ford will not make the same mistake as GM. The cobra name needs to carry on.
Unfortunately, the lack of an f-body to compete with can put Ford in a bad position. Right now they are the only game in town in this market. Hopefully Ford will not make the same mistake as GM. The cobra name needs to carry on.
809 I agree with you 100% but to ask some folks around here to "think out of the box" ??
Most of them find it challenging to even get by the 4-flap interleave.
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Man I hope it doesn't go away. Can you imagine the engineers and others working on the new products with no HP and no looks or handling. I'd blow my head off!
Dear lord, two people have already disproved the rumor. Call 1800FORDSVT for yourselves! Quit offering opinions about whether you care if SVT shuts down...it isn't happening!
The only thing to talk about is the status of the lightning. Now talk amongst yourselves.
The only thing to talk about is the status of the lightning. Now talk amongst yourselves.
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Two things.
1. Who cares if SVT lives or dies provided Ford continues to cater to the performance market with niche models like the Cobra? Don't really care if it's SVT, SVE, SVO or Taco Bell. Just build a blistering rwd that's *relatively* inexpensive.
2. Compaired to just about every other car in the same model years and price range, the 03/04 Cobra is a POS with horrid ergonomics in a dated chassis. The fact that I still love every square inch, as do most of you, speaks to the power of its positive attributes rather than the negatives.
One full day in the garage, at home, with commonly available bolt-on parts, simple tools and a basic level of experience and you have a 10-11 second car that you can drive back home from the track with the CD player blastin' and the A/C blowin'. On pump gas.
The fact that Ford did this for $35,000 on a relatively widely available production car is nothing short of absolutly amazing. Except for the MKIV TT Supra, there simply doesn't exist a production car made in the last few decades which combines this level of comfort, drivibility and performance potential at anywhere even close to double the cost. The Viper and higher-end AMG models graze this level of performance and they cost 2-3 times as much.
So yeah, I can over look it's little quirks and flaws. It's not that some people's observations of the imperfections are wrong, it's that their expecations are unrealistic. If the relatively minor issues are really that annoying, you should have know better because you simply bought the wrong car. Either get a nice import or new S/SL/E55 AMG and quite complaining.
1. Who cares if SVT lives or dies provided Ford continues to cater to the performance market with niche models like the Cobra? Don't really care if it's SVT, SVE, SVO or Taco Bell. Just build a blistering rwd that's *relatively* inexpensive.
2. Compaired to just about every other car in the same model years and price range, the 03/04 Cobra is a POS with horrid ergonomics in a dated chassis. The fact that I still love every square inch, as do most of you, speaks to the power of its positive attributes rather than the negatives.
One full day in the garage, at home, with commonly available bolt-on parts, simple tools and a basic level of experience and you have a 10-11 second car that you can drive back home from the track with the CD player blastin' and the A/C blowin'. On pump gas.
The fact that Ford did this for $35,000 on a relatively widely available production car is nothing short of absolutly amazing. Except for the MKIV TT Supra, there simply doesn't exist a production car made in the last few decades which combines this level of comfort, drivibility and performance potential at anywhere even close to double the cost. The Viper and higher-end AMG models graze this level of performance and they cost 2-3 times as much.
So yeah, I can over look it's little quirks and flaws. It's not that some people's observations of the imperfections are wrong, it's that their expecations are unrealistic. If the relatively minor issues are really that annoying, you should have know better because you simply bought the wrong car. Either get a nice import or new S/SL/E55 AMG and quite complaining.
CobraKindaGuy - you are right and I'm learning some of that here!
M.Ousley - you are right, people should just call. But the topic is about SVT staying so I say let it continue. There are other threads I'm sure you could read if this one doesn't meet your approval.
03SoCalCobra - Point number one, we all care and that is why we've had so many posts. Your second point is dead on. I'd only add the Buick GN along with the Supra to that list, but that is just my opinion.
M.Ousley - you are right, people should just call. But the topic is about SVT staying so I say let it continue. There are other threads I'm sure you could read if this one doesn't meet your approval.
03SoCalCobra - Point number one, we all care and that is why we've had so many posts. Your second point is dead on. I'd only add the Buick GN along with the Supra to that list, but that is just my opinion.
tlaked to the people at svt today they are not going anywhere.....
period they will have the svt cobra for 2007
from the mouth of babes
period they will have the svt cobra for 2007
from the mouth of babes
tlaked to the people at svt today they are not going anywhere.....
period they will have the svt cobra for 2007
from the mouth of babes
period they will have the svt cobra for 2007
from the mouth of babes
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