I must also seem like I enjoy having sex with myself, cause I get alot of IM's telling me to go F*** myself......lol, guess i'm doing a good job.
Well, it is important to love yourself...:uh oh:
I must also seem like I enjoy having sex with myself, cause I get alot of IM's telling me to go F*** myself......lol, guess i'm doing a good job.
Well, it is important to love yourself...:uh oh:
As Okie said this section of the forum is pretty damned tight knit, this thread is not something I would have expected to be posted...let alone allowed to stay open.
I guess we just don't look at this one the same. If a vendor has a history of dishonesty I would want to know about it so I could judge any future statements from it with that in mind.
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Just sucks that the man can't defend himself, but I guess he made his bed so he's gotta lay in it. (getting banned)
yup, i got my metco rails from another vendor even before he had them.
No one is trying to stir up trouble. Just a bunch of us are sick of JJ's manipulation. I understand some of you are friends with him but others of us have seen through the nice, condescending, bullshit post of his. Step outside the box for just a second and then make your decision. Like JL said. He's been around then disappeared for the same reasons now. I believe this is good information for people making decisions for the vendor of their choice.
cough... Amazon.... cough
Why are you so insistent that this should be moved to smackdown? While this thread is completly ot there is important info here that pertains to the gen 2 section. on l rodder the crap flies over there all too often, and everyone sides with JJ. even when he is repeatedly found in the wrong. I understand to some degree in business everyone wants to hype their own products but flat out lying to customers/potention customers is wrong, even if is is over the net, and he has "some great customer service" it has also been proven he goes into other vendor discussion threads under different screennames and post negitive remarks and often flat out lies.
this has no business in smackdown, its fine here where those the info pertains to will se it!:bash:
I just want to say i agree with stan and derek concerning this individual..
Derek, I think you have always conducted you self in a professional manner were right to point out all JJ's lies. I have never taken to think of any of your post as basking or draging down a thread like Stan's.
Me personally, I am really getting sick of JJ's BS and hearing how great of a tuner he is bla bla bla. These trucks have been out for a long time and all the major vendors out there have them pretty well figured out by now. I was a customer or JJ's and and had him tune my truck via Email and had some of his suspension products. His tune almost blew my truck up(thats for another time) and when i confronted him about it seem like he didn't even care that I almost blew my motor up and his suspension products are lacking lots R and D and are now off my truck. So I am in now way swinging on his nuts.
I may even have the balls to buff the damm truck tomorrow.:bash:
If you drove a TBSS, these problems wouldnt be happening. J/K
Long live the Lightning!
WOW good to see this keep going...
anyway ill go over this and comment on what needs commented on.
ian id just like to ask...
did you or did you not send linn about 1 PM a week saying i was posting something i shouldnt be? never sending her links or proof... she would say something to me about it and have no idea what the hell you were talking about. i have was derek@amazon for nearly 5 years now(think Feb, will be 5 years) and NO ONE ever said anything to her about how i posted up until i started posting on LR. as you can see its not just me and stan tired of the lie's he posts. the man who made him who he is is even tired of it. like hostile said you need to step out side the box for a few weeks and go back and read all the lies and bull shit he claims. look at it from a point of view where you are having to try to make a living doing this. and when he posts lies like ONLY PLACE TO GET METCO RAILS... "LOCAL SHOP SENT THEM WRONG INJECTORS" (which i know for sure you know is a lie now)... NUMBER 1 IN SCT SALES... FIRST TO GET THE FORE HAT... FIRST TO GET THIS FIRST TO GET THAT ONLY PLACE TO GET THIS... his lies are all over the place. most people just dont see the fact that they are lie's. i keep my mouth shut and just let him post since i know he would go back in the mod forums and cry like a little baby.
Member#123 posts up about Mark @ LFP screwing him over, sending the wrong thing, or nothing, or no refund for months, or whatever the hell it is, so I do my job and call Mark to let him know of the situation, oddly enough, when the thread gets big an ugly I call him back and his answer is often "Business for a few days went up like 20%"..........................So if you think you cain ruin someones business with a flamewar, think again.
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Alright guys. The truth seems to have been told. Can we put the differences aside and go back to normal?
I am going to clarify what led to our decision
1.JJ has challenged Derek's role as part of our organization ever since he registerd on LR as Derek@Amazon
Why would he do that?
2. Ian has contacted me on several occassions citing a LR rule that he said Derek was breaking concerning his posting on other sites about JJ.
He was in violation of rule #8 "creating an unpleasant enviroment due to actions on another site"
3 .his interpretation of the rule was that no vendor or member of LR can post about or in a thread where a vendor or member of LR is being discussed. I asked for clarity of this rule as I had never heard of one sites rules carrying over to include any other site.
The interpertaion was because you are both SV's on LR and a higher level of courtesy is expected.
4. I have never seen Derek post anything negative about JJ until this thread but I talked to him about it.I think he made a concentrated effort to comply.
I can send a list of threads where he partook in others bashing of him, I have sent others, but you told me you did not have the time to read the threads.
5.I was once again contacted by Ian citing yet another post made by Derek. I looked at it and saw noting wrong with what he had posted.. he did not talk about JJ or insinuate anything about JJ but I guess his offense was that he posted in a thread about JJ. his posts were actually off topic
You 100% aggreed to have Derek avoid and JJ/WMS based topics, and JJ aggreed to avoid any and all ATS topic, you stated clearly that Derek would be informed, and I made it clear I did not want him to be dropped as your rep unless you determined that was needed. I simply asked for you to have him comply with the rules in place.
6.Derek was removed because we felt he was being unfairly singled out by a vendor and moderator of LR and thought it best to remove him from the line of fire.
The decisoon to remove derek was 100% up to yourself and Rick, I certainly made it clear I was not out to have him removed, simply to have him extend the professional courtesy of avoiding another vendors threads which was requested.
7. WE have been told by JJ that we are better off not having Derek as a rep.Rick and I are both extremely unhappy at being manipulated in this manner. the rule in question as per the site owner was never intended to be interpreted as it had been presented to me
Being told to do something and being given someones opinion are very different, and the distinction must be made.
8. it was JJs constaint complaining and Ian's misinterpretation of rule #8 that led to our decision to remove Derek from the line of fire.. it was obvious that he was going to be a target no matter what we did to try to comply to the rules of the site.
Since rule #8 has been amended, you are free to reinstate Derek as your rep, and he will be free to say whatever he likes on this and other sites, I have spoken with the site owner and he aggreees you can reinstate Derek at any time as your business internet rep.
9. the site rule has now been changed
Yes it has.
10. JJ is now trying to have all of Dereks posts removed since he is no longer Derek@Amazon
That is not happeneing, as per site owner of LR.
11. Derek is one of the longest known Amazon supporters. he is like a son to us and was a vital part of our company..if anyone thinks for one minute that we did this to protect Amazon they are wrong.. we did this to protect Derek
As I said you may reinstate Derek at any time, I have no issue at all with it, he of course must maintain a profession decorum on LR, if he chooses not to on other sites that is up to him and yourself as one of the business owners.
I hope this clears things up Linn, I have always found our conversations to be pleasant, even if the topic was not, and I will continue to do my job to its fullest on LR, in fairly enforcing the rules of that forum.