Why is this car not all Aluminum?

[krt22]

Just rumors. If this turns out to be truth it will be only a 5 year run

http://www.autoblog.com/2016/03/04/ford-mustang-s650-production-rumor/

FORD GROUP

- Production for the Ford Edge (CD539) has been moved ahead to September 2021 from December 2021. The program code for Ford Edge (CD539(ng)) has been updated to CDX706. In addition,
production has been moved ahead to October 2021 from January 2022.

- Current‐generation Ford Escape (C520)’s facelift timing has been moved to March 2016 from June 2015; production will end November 2018. Subsequently, timings for the Ford Escape (C482) have been adjusted at both Cuautitlán and Louisville Truck with SOP December 2018, a refresh for January 2022, and EOP for August 2024.

- EOP for Ford Explorer (U502) has been moved back to December 2018 from September 2018. This results in a timing shift for the Ford Explorer (U625 having an SOP in January 2019, a facelift for January 2022, and an EOP for December 2025).

- Rather than the next‐generation Fiesta, the C484 program will be a Small Car to replace the Fiesta at Cuautitlán. The Ford Flex (D471) and Lincoln MKT (D472) EOPs have been moved out three years from December 2015 to December 2018.

- Program code for the next‐generation Mustang (S550(ng)) has been changed to S650 and the SOP has been shifted back from January 2022 to May 2020. Subsequently, the EOP for the S550 has been moved to April 2020.

- The lifecycle for the Ford Taurus (D258) has been extended out beyond our forecast horizon to June 2023 from June 2017.

- EOP for the Lincoln Continental (D544) has been moved from March 2022 to May 2023 and therefore shifting the next‐generation out of the forecast horizon.

- Added a Large Sedan to the forecast for Lincoln with a program code of CD714, SOP of July 2020, facelift of Jul‐2023, and EOP of June 2026.

- Lincoln Midsize SUV (U611) SOP shifted from February 2019 to January 2019.

- The next‐generation Lincoln MKX SOP was moved out from January 2021 to March 2022. The program code was also changed from U540(ng) to CDX707. The facelift for the CDX707 was changed as well from December 2023 to March 2025 and the EOP from December 2026 to February 2028. The U540 EOP was shifted as a result from December 2020 to February 2022 and the facelift from November 2017 to May 2018.

- The Lincoln MKZ (CD533) EOP was extended from July 2018 to June 2019. The next‐generation MKZ (CD622) was moved from the Hermosillo plant to Flat Rock Assembly with an SOP of July 2019 (was August 2018), facelift of July 2022 (was July 2021), and EOP of June 2026 (was July 2024).

 

[SCALECRAFT]

my fiance in her '14 3.7l v6 has put down lap times faster than gts, cobras, gt500s and bosses in her run group. You beat the driver, not the car.

OEM vs OEM, right? If yes, that's impressive.



I don't know if I'm a better driver, I do however push the car to it's limits.

The new Viper ACR i think it's called. It was at the track, OEM put down the fastest lap of the day among all the cars, Porsche, GTR, McClaren, Z06.

But I'm not a Viper fan. Yet. I can get a new one for $90k, which is suppose to be a deal?

 

[ON D BIT]

Goes back to scale. The more scale you produce and sell the cheaper it cost to create. The 150 in that style may sell 5 million trucks over ten times what a mustang would sell. Because of this al designed outer layer would cost way more on a mustang than the 150. Now if the mustang went back to the sn95 dimensions with the same current interior sizing it would drop far more weight than an al body.

 

[biminiLX]

How much would all aluminum lighten the 350? If 400+ lbs, I'd spend 10k on that. Make it a 3400lb car at 70k. Add 5k to all the other mustangs... whatever, just get it done!

Nah, you're not going to track it, just follow Lethal and see if there's holds, so you'll be happier in a Whipple blown GT350 and have some of that $10k left over.
Hope you get the R on order.
-J

 

[conceptmachine]

Eventually it will be aluminum. It may or may not be the s650. Don't count it out

 

[conceptmachine]

Nah, you're not going to track it, just follow Lethal and see if there's holds, so you'll be happier in a Whipple blown GT350 and have some of that $10k left over.
Hope you get the R on order.
-J

Thanks J, me too!!
We'll see. Don't know what other car I'd like if it doesn't come thru. Was thinking of z06 but backed out of that idea. So...I'll just hold out for the next 500.

 

[Aftrbrnr]

800,000 trucks > 100,000 mustangs

I think the number for recent years hasn't even passed the six-digit mark, let alone 80,000 for some if I recall. For mass production cars sold to the common folk like the Mustang, sub 100,000 units sold per year isn't horrible but really "meh" in the industry.

 

[conceptmachine]

Even worldwide 80k?? It's a lot of metal but still pretty sad actually. Seems more people buy 4 doors anymore.

 

[SID297]

Even worldwide 80k?? It's a lot of metal but still pretty sad actually. Seems more people buy 4 doors anymore.

They are still rolling out exports.

 

[DBK]

For reference, just the cost to retool the truck plant for the AL body was about $360 million and they lost a couple months of production. Costly endeavor, not even accounting for the massive materials cost, retraining, R&D and engineering, etc.

 

[tt335ci03cobra]

Even worldwide 80k?? It's a lot of metal but still pretty sad actually. Seems more people buy 4 doors anymore.

~125,000 mustangs sold in 2015 from what I remember.

The best years every for the mustang were 65 and 66 when they sold a combined ~1.2M in ~14-16 months

2000 was also a great year with 202,000 sold iirc.

 

[tt335ci03cobra]

In 2000, I believe ~45,000 fbodies were sold for comparison.

The years where the Camaro outsold the mustang were ~3-15,000 cars a year. The years where the mustang has out sold the Camaro have been an average of 20-50,000 cars a year. Excluding 65/66 because those years were mustang only. It's actually pretty sad how little the Camaro has sold, save for the last 6 years. About 1/5 of the all time Camaro sales are from the last 6 years iirc. It's ~50 years old... That means 6 years are averaging the work of 10.

Without a doubt, the Camaro sold best when it has been bad ass. The 67-73's, and the 09-16's are IMO the stand out camaros compared to the 3rd, and 4th gens. Just my opinion, but the sales back it up too.

 

[Cobra(ed) Up]

Cost is a major factor. I think another driver is the ability to repair it. Most shops/dealers still cant repair aluminum bodies. Another concern is the availability of Aluminum, which drives up, guess who COST. The aluminum makers should put a ADM on it. I am hating the dealers right now. And the fact that Ford wont step in (at least for people who have owned several SVT's is tragic).