Are you actually comparing a camaro and a corvette, i mean really...?
i would take a bone stock c5 (non z) over a ZL1 if it weren't for the rarity.
i would take a bone stock c5 (non z) over a ZL1 if it weren't for the rarity.
ZL1 or ZR1
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If I was a car collector the ZL1 hands down. But as a car enthusiast that wants to drive the cars he purchases the ZR1 by far.
who doesn't think it's a supercar? there is a picture of it in the dictionary next to the word supercar......
dumb question... the answer is more than obvious.
I would never drive a car that looks like a catfish even with 600hp..
ZR1 hands down:rockon:
ZR1 hands down:rockon:
yeah, pretty much. go look at some of the lap times the evo has put up compared to heavier, high hp cars. it does well against real supercars in alot of cases. a modded suspension and zo6 brakes and tires dont mean alot back in 2002 compared to a newer evo. i have no doubt an evo would kill the ZL-1 on a short, twisty track. dont even think about the UK 400hp stock evo, even tho its 200hp less it would absolutely rape that car, it beats lambos and ferraris stock on the twisties
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simply b/c its a vette alot of europeans wont ever admit that, regardless of performance. silly, i understand
Can you not read... The company calls it a supercar, And for the people saying why i created this.. Well i wanted to hear thoughts. I love the ZR1, But they do have other choices out there ( la ZL1 ) The rarity alone is amazing :bored::beer:
Wow who would of guessed someone in Bama would have a Zl1. After seeing the vid the op posted im not sure which.
I would take the ZL1, there were only a couple made. Plus I'am not old enough to own a vette, I think GM makes sure you're old enough to be on social security before you can order a vette.
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I am just wanting to discuss this on a friendly level.
02 Camaro SS weight = 3306 lbs (approx for hatchback)
08 Evo (cut and paste from automobilemag.com) Weights: curb weight (lbs) 3,517
A stock Evo would have absolutely no advantage over a 600 hp modified lighter Carmaro. Even the 400 hp evo wouldn't "rape" it. I don't even see how it could beat it? A 600 HP pushrod motor is going to have a ridiculous amount of power at ANY rpm.
I just don't see how a heavier car with half the power and smaller tires is going to win any race? Yeah, the Mullet mobile has a solid rear axle....
I just don't see it happening. Stock for Stock I would think that a US model 08 evo would have a terrible time trying to run away from an old LS1 Camaro on the track. Forget about a purpose built 600 HP beast.
I am just wanting to discuss this on a friendly level.
02 Camaro SS weight = 3306 lbs (approx for hatchback)
08 Evo (cut and paste from automobilemag.com) Weights: curb weight (lbs) 3,517
A stock Evo would have absolutely no advantage over a 600 hp modified lighter Carmaro. Even the 400 hp evo wouldn't "rape" it. I don't even see how it could beat it? A 600 HP pushrod motor is going to have a ridiculous amount of power at ANY rpm.
I just don't see how a heavier car with half the power and smaller tires is going to win any race? Yeah, the Mullet mobile has a solid rear axle....
I just don't see it happening. Stock for Stock I would think that a US model 08 evo would have a terrible time trying to run away from an old LS1 Camaro on the track. Forget about a purpose built 600 HP beast.
LoL @ this thread....I love the Catfish comments =D I like my catfish...
If I was buying the car for financial reasons I would buy the ZL1.
I like to enjoy my cars so I'd probably buy a ZR-1
If I was buying the car for financial reasons I would buy the ZL1.
I like to enjoy my cars so I'd probably buy a ZR-1
Anybody know track times for the ZL1, just curious??
i would almost say a stock LS1 would do as good as the ZL-1 on a short twisty track, thats almost too much power with that setup for this kind of track. the evo is AWD man, smaller tires arent a problem btw. a shorter track means lower speeds, this means hella wheelspin from the high hp catfish, whereas the evo hooks and pulls. the Zl-1 advantage becomes a disadvantage on this type of track. the video below is a 570hp lambo that actually built to handle vs. the evo fq-400. camaros are not cars that can handle, even with the suspension mods their not suited for this type track
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txnsy1e08zw"]YouTube - Mitsubishi Lancer Evo 9 MR FQ-400 vs Lamborghini Murcielago[/ame]
Well, there's other factors to consider. For example, a real short technical track where GRIP is the determining factor. The new EVOs, even though heavier, pulls over 1.00Gs on a skidpad, has aggressive short gearing and a super fast shifting sequential transmission. A tight track with tons of sweeping curves and sharp turns is where it will shine.
This is the reason why the C6 Z06 went down to a GT-R on a super tight section of buttonwillow.
C6Z = 3,120lbs @ 505hp
GT-R= 3,900lbs @ 480hp
I wouldn't go that far. The ZL-1 has more than just a couple tweeks done to it. A full coilover multi-link suspension will perform leaps and bounds better than a stock Camaro, especially with the right tire.
In-case you aren't aware, fbodies can handle really well if they're setup correctly. Just look at some of the results in the SCCA T1 class races. ;-)
That is like going out on a deep sea fishing charter and thinking... "Should I try for catfish or Marlin?"
Guess which one the catfish is?!?!?!
Guess which one the catfish is?!?!?!
Zr1 = Supercar, but why can't the Shelby GT500 with 500 horse come within 6 lengths of a C6 Z06 with 500 horse let alone a Zr1. It's sad for $50k GT500's only run low 12's at best with 500 horse, hell I run high 12's with 330 flywheel horse power.
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