You must not have a lot of unmarked police cars where you are from. And if they were law abiding, I doubt they'd be getting pulled over.
Legal question regarding Police Vehicles without lights on during speed traps
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You must not have a lot of unmarked police cars where you are from. And if they were law abiding, I doubt they'd be getting pulled over.
By the literal defintion of the words speed and trap Yes, by definition of the laws that define what a speed trap is No.
I completely get it...I am not arguing the point RUBICON04 is making about illegal speed traps as defined by a State statute.
You and your cohort are obviously upset when anyone posts that they got a ticket in a "speed trap".
You guys aren't even arguing the legality of said "traps". You guys are complaining about the word "trap"?
You want to substitute a euphemism like "sting" and "checkpoint"?
That is what I do not understand..who cares what word is used...
Please google entrapment..I swear you guys are substituting that word for the common word "trap"
You clearly have no direct experience in L.E. Quite a few felons are caught on traffic stops along with drug traffickers.
Ask txyaloo to show you why traffic enforcement does not generate a positive revenue flow.
i dont care what you call it. call it a tampon deoderizer. call it elephant jiz. what you arent getting and keeping us amuzed with is....dont speed and you wont have to worry about it. doesnt matter what you call it. doesnt matter if you like or not. a judge isnt going to ask your opinion. they are legal and departments will continue to operate them and there is absolutely nothing you are going to do about it....other than cry and complain on what it should be called.
Uh, that would be because the word "entrapment" would be the action usage of "trap". Also, "trap" would infer that the party being caught would have no knowledge of the said "trap" being there, hence why they get caught.
That being said, people know that police officers write speeding tickets. NOT a huge secret there. So when they speed, and get caught (no matter HOW they get caught) they weren't "trapped". Hence why the word "trap" is an incorrect term.
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There is no such thing as a speed trap. However, there is a stretch of road I know that goes from 20 mph to 50 mph 4 different times in less than a mile stretch. The surroundings on the road doesnt change either. I dont know the reason behind it, but it sure is hard to tell which zone you are in and to make things convenient there is always an officer near by to pull you over and tell you.
we have some, as well as many marked cars that just lay in wait for speed enforcement. As a tax payer it frustrates me that the time and equipment is used in such a manner. Yes by definition "speeding" is a violation of the law, however, one is not a criminal for speeding, hence the comment "law abiding."
You can certainly disagree with me however this in my OPINION.
I do not. However if you re-read my post you'll see I said "vast majority" are you telling me that the percentage of stops that lead to arrests for felony charges is greater then even 10% off all stops?
txyaloo does not have the time. he is busy builing my AR-15. this person with the funny make-up and big red nose can search it for himself :beer:
Again.... I listed what states define what a speed trap is a few post back. There is infact speed traps as defined by law.
I want one!!!
Call your local highway department and have them look into posting signs with more warning as to the speed limit changes.
Ummmmm....correct me if I am wrong, but I am assuming people getting tickets on the roadside are not getting them for the policeman's ball. I would bet they are getting them for BREAKING THE LAW. Hence, contrary to your understanding of English, they are not law abiding. As for the percentage of stops leading to felony arrests, I think that would depend greatly on the area that the officer is patrolling. In some areas, I would bet it could be as high as 20-25% would lead to that. Feel free to poll all US LEO departments under FOIA and find out for us.
They need all the help they can get obviously.
No I disagree the average citizen uses the word "trap" as a substitute for a shortened entrapment.
So I get your point now...you 2 are saying don't speed at all and we don't have to worry about what word is used...trap, sting, checkpoint.
Ok so I guess you 2 have never ever driven over the speed limit? If you have then you are simply being hypocrites.
I am using the word trap as a noun....you are infering it means a verb..aka trapped....simple as that...
Nice argument that even if police "trapped" people they wouldn't really be doing so because everyone knows the police write tickets so can't trap anyone.
Well I'll agree to disagree with your view.
Since I am older than age 15, I will refrain from calling a trap those words.
I have not lobbied for or against speed traps...can you not read?
I am stating I don't believe the word speed trap has any other meaning then a certain area where the police stop speeders and issue tickets.
You attach a strictly negative meaning to the word and take offense to the word feeling it means entrapment...to me it does not...
I am also AMUSED.
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For most if not all larger cities this is the case, but studies have shown that alot of smaller towns rely on speed traps and methods alike to generate the majority of their income
An interesting article shows a small town in Missouri with a population of 47 people issued over 3100 traffic fines. By law they could only produce up to 35 % of their general fund revenue by ticketing motorist. They got audited and it was found over half their revenue came from tickets. They actually lost their right to issue speeding tickets and went bankrupt.
Missouri State Auditor Defunds Speed Trap City
Im sure its not common practice but its does happen.
talk to Txy he can make you one cheaper than you can buy it. THEN you can do what I did and spend what you saved on things like sights, magnifiers, and ammo
I know them. Close ties small town and department. When speeding tickets are a large revenue for the town...they choose to turn the cheek.
Well isn't it true? If people knew exactly when and where every police officer was sitting, they wouldn't speed through those locations and those times. So therefore, we all have to come to the conclusion that at any gien time and place a police officer may be running RADAR, LASER, VASCAR, etc.... Armed with that specific knowledge, then a person driving a car can't be trapped for speeding. Or for any other traffic ofense really, as we all know departments have unmarked cars out on patrol, and not all LEO's sit still running speed enforcement.
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