How much HP do you think this setup has... (G35 TT)

[5 ltr. beater]

We are talking about VQ motors that are running 6's, so I would assume that you would produce a mustang that is equipped with a properly built cobra motor running 6's, not a some crazy off the wall built motor that was not in the car to begin with.

...took a little research. that Mustang is powered by a stroked out 351 Ford small block and twin 88mm precision turbos.
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[mustangmanjeff]

total bs, a friend of my did a gt35r turbo kit on his 350z and it made 380rwhp, he now swapped in a corvette ls2 with twin turbo kit and makes 800rwhp, the vq motor built or n/a makes shit for power, I can see it making 400-500rwhp, not 900rwhp or crank I call total bs.

 

[25psi]

total bs, a friend of my did a gt35r turbo kit on his 350z and it made 380rwhp, he now swapped in a corvette ls2 with twin turbo kit and makes 800rwhp, the vq motor built or n/a makes shit for power, I can see it making 400-500rwhp, not 900rwhp or crank I call total bs.

I'm telling you what I have experience with and people here no my car and what I use to have done to it. I have helped install a minimum of 8 kits and have personally owned

PowerEnterprise turbo kit( made 416rwhp at 6psi)
Speedforceracing.com turbo kit(636rwhp + with slipping clutch)
Greddy upgraded to 20g setup which made slightly over 700rwhp.

Did you not see the graphs that I posted? That was nearly 3 years ago! If a VQ motor can make nearly 2000hp, why can't it make 900 lol?

 

[Shadow_Stang]

VQ motors produce more torque than hp on average, depending on the choice of turbo kit. I made 636hp and 670lbft of torque at 16psi with my twin 35r kit(Speedforceracing) on a slipping clutch.

Cylinders don't dictate the amount of torque a car produces. You can have a 2.2 liter V8 making less power than a 5.0 liter 4 cylinder.

The VQ motors is one of the best motors for producing hp efficiently. The heads are superior than the 2jz, RB and any other imports that are known for making power. The only heads in the import scene that possibly flows more cfm are the M3 heads(VANOS).

Furthermore, there are VQ motors making over 2000hp and running 6's. I don't know how many Shelby's or Cobra are trapping nearly 220mph in the 1/4

Well to be fair , I never said that the cylinders dictated the amount of TQ the car has. I simply stated with a few mods done to his car he can put out more than what the guy was pushing. And like I said they werent bad motors , I just wouldnt put it in the same category, I had mine for 3 years and as for putting out more TQ than HP, i never had it happen with mine. I recently just bought a new Mustang GT and stock for stock i was beating Zs, and now with few minor bolt ons i have i destroy them. And I have never ever seen a vq beat my brother in laws 03 cobra yet and hes only pushing 635 at the wheels not 800

Kinda OT but does anyone remember that 03 limited edition cobra that Hellion was selling like a year or 2 ago.? 100 % street legal and it had turbo and supercharger on it and pushing just over 1400? haha wonder who bought it.

 

[Mr370z]

this is why I'm mostly ashamed to have a z car. You people are delusional. The only thing my vq has been good to me about is gas mileage. Power per dollar on these cars is about on pace with a single cam honda engine. That's why there's an evo in the driveway to play with. I almost made the mistake of dumping, no, throwing away my money on the Z

How am I delusional? The VQ37 is a newer, more technologically advanced engine, not to mention makes a lot of power for a naturally aspirated 6 cylinder. I don't think anything ANYWHERE dictates that the quality of an engine is solely dictated by horsepower output. Yeah, it takes $$ to play, and it's much easier when you already have an engine built for boost from the factory (Turbo'd VG series, RB series, 2jz, etc, etc, etc). The problem with the VQ35+ is they are high compression naturally aspirated vehicles. There are already a noticeable number of people (g37 and 370z) making 500+ rwhp on stock internal blocks with twin turbo builds. The average I've seen is about $15k for a complete tt build.

Using some ricer math, you can pick up a 370z for $28k-$32k (options, models, blah blah blah). Add another $15k on top of that you're looking at $43k-$47k. At first glance yeah that's a lot but some of these builds are making 530-550 rwhp which is about 625-650bhp.

At this point you have to ask yourself for that much money what other cars could you get as much performance? You could argue Vipers, Z06's, Supra's, etc. But since we're getting all the responses from the Evo crowd (I guess more specifically the 4g crowd), what does it take, $ wise and mod wise to get in that horsepower range. I honestly want to know.

 

[5 ltr. beater]

since we're getting all the responses from the Evo crowd (I guess more specifically the 4g crowd), what does it take, $ wise and mod wise to get in that horsepower range. I honestly want to know.

to be honest, i could care less that VQ's are making 1000hp. the question is: can you put it to the ground?
here's a fellow EVO owner that has 702awhp on 35lbs of boost clipping 10.1@144.

$ invested into the car so far is topping 12k.

[nomedia="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5FdKDm4cz8"]YouTube - 7/16/2010 12:46 PM 00009[/nomedia]

right now he's getting tuned to support 40lbs of boost on a street legal car.

to get a VQ running that strong i can guarantee you need at the very least 30k .

 

[Mr370z]

to be honest, i could care less that VQ's are making 1000hp. the question is: can you put it to the ground?
here's a fellow EVO owner that has 702awhp on 35lbs of boost clipping 10.1@144.

$ invested into the car so far is topping 12k.

YouTube - 7/16/2010 12:46 PM 00009

right now he's getting tuned to support 40lbs of boost on a street legal car.

to get a VQ running that strong i can guarantee you need at the very least 30k .

Just like I could really care less if an Evo can make 1000hp, or 2500hp. Really the whole point of my post was to understand the ball park $ for extensive modification of an evo. I personally don't even see the point in needing 702awhp, since 500whp would suffice to get me around a racetrack. I would really hope you have an easier time getting traction in an AWD car. Oh and with all the F.I. 370z's there hasn't been a single time slip that I've seen. I just don't think the interest for that kind of power and 1/4 mile are #1 on the priority list.

But I definitely agree with you, modifying a VQ is definitely not bang-for-your-buck friendly. In fact, it's pretty darn expensive compared to everything else. Again, though, it gets tiresome of hearing people rag on the VQ.

 

[5 ltr. beater]

agreed. i like my VQ for reliability,mpg and performance. :beer:

 

[Mr370z]

agreed. i like my VQ for reliability,mpg and performance. :beer:

Exactly! It accomplished precisely what it was engineered for. :-D

 

[Shadow_Stang]

Well i wouldnt exactly say the VQ motors are good for gas, I fill my tank less in my GT and put out more power AND have a gas tank that is 4 gallons smaller. I drive the mustang more aggressively than my G too lol. Fun great car when i had it tho, but I have no regrets at all going back to stangs.

Best bang for your buck modding wise would have to be without a doubt a terminator. Stock 390hp at the crank, throw in about $400-$550 on pully and tune and bam, 450 to the wheels.:bowdown::burnout:. SVT did an amazing job on these cars. Not to mention you can get one now for 16-21k , as opposed to 50k +tax and license on a new gt500. Theres a guy selling his 04 cobra in georgia for 7500 bucks wtf? only has 60k miles on it too . Wonder how many trees hes ran into?

 

[5 ltr. beater]

Stock 390hp at the crank, throw in about $400-$550 on pully and tune and bam, 450 to the wheels.:bowdown::burnout:. SVT did an amazing job on these cars.

...umm 390 is "advertised HP". these motors have been proven to put down anywhere between 360-380 in stock form, making crank HP a tad north of 400.
and it takes just a tad more than $400 to get some power out of a terminator. i agree they are the best bang for your buck; but i think its safe to say you need at least $2500-3000 to get some safe serious power from these things (full exhaust,CAI,dyno time,tune,pulleys and ...yes..TIRES!)

 

[Shadow_Stang]

...umm 390 is "advertised HP". these motors have been proven to put down anywhere between 360-380 in stock form, making crank HP a tad north of 400.
and it takes just a tad more than $400 to get some power out of a terminator. i agree they are the best bang for your buck; but i think its safe to say you need at least $2500-3000 to get some safe serious power from these things (full exhaust,CAI,dyno time,tune,pulleys and ...yes..TIRES!)

Yes true on the advertised hp part but you have to admit its still very good none the less. And 3k is nothing if you compare it to just a turbo system for a vq. I saw a guy in a 350z dump 8k on twins and put out 448hp and got killed by a pullied and tuned cobra. And yes tires is a must lol.:beer:

 

[5 ltr. beater]

i agree 100%. best bang for your buck!

 

[Mr370z]

Well i wouldnt exactly say the VQ motors are good for gas, I fill my tank less in my GT and put out more power AND have a gas tank that is 4 gallons smaller. I drive the mustang more aggressively than my G too lol. Fun great car when i had it tho, but I have no regrets at all going back to stangs.

Best bang for your buck modding wise would have to be without a doubt a terminator. Stock 390hp at the crank, throw in about $400-$550 on pully and tune and bam, 450 to the wheels.:bowdown::burnout:. SVT did an amazing job on these cars. Not to mention you can get one now for 16-21k , as opposed to 50k +tax and license on a new gt500. Theres a guy selling his 04 cobra in georgia for 7500 bucks wtf? only has 60k miles on it too . Wonder how many trees hes ran into?

At first your post didn't make any sense. Now I realized you have a G35... not a fair comparison to your '10 but it's an interesting point. Just for comparison purposes what kind of gas mileage do you see? I average a 21 mpg in my 370.

Oh yeah man a terminator is hands down the best bang for your buck around. You can get a nice one for ~$20k (with a few miles on it) and your suggested mods and make an EASY 450rwhp. I also think the GT500 is in the same vein. You get a more updated exterior/interior, 5.4L s/c engine, and I've seen 'em go for ~$35k.

Hey, even the new '11 GT500 that sits ~$50k if you want a car that tears up the strip, road course, and even sits four people. It's a bit more pricey but compared to the price of cars that are similar in performance... the GT500 looks pretty sweet.

i agree 100%. best bang for your buck!

:rockon:

 

[F8l Vnm]

what happend to SVTP? this has tunred into a rice forum...lol...guys really v37 all this crappy motor talk makes me sic, they sound like shit and look even worse.,...talk american and v8's ...

 

[5 ltr. beater]

what happend to SVTP? this has tunred into a rice forum...lol...guys really v37 all this crappy motor talk makes me sic, they sound like shit and look even worse.,...talk american and v8's ...

the future of 2 door V8's is slowing dying. the sooner you realize that the better off you'll be. the world is going towards more efficient vehicles that can make the same power of a V8 but with 2 or 4 less cylinders and have four doors and return good MPG. we're slowly headed towards a world that wants to break away from fossil fuels and invest in "hybrid" crap and "solar powered".
trust me....i miss the good ole' days of the Chevy vs. Ford debates. now its Chevy vs. Ford vs. SRT this, STI that, GT-R over here, EVO IX over there etc. etc.

 

[Mr370z]

what happend to SVTP? this has tunred into a rice forum...lol...guys really v37 all this crappy motor talk makes me sic, they sound like shit and look even worse.,...talk american and v8's ...

What's a v37? the guy saw a g35 tt, a japanese car. It would make sense to talk about japanese cars. What happened to American cars? The owners use to be cool.

 

[Deuuuce]

The G37 is superior to the VQ motors.

How so? Can you share or provide a link what the differences are? I was under the assumption it's just the corporate motor with more vibration control?

22psi

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r34/GT-Motorsports/855rwhp


20PSI

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r34/GT-Motorsports/855rwhp800rwhpoverlay.jpg

16psi

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r34/GT-Motorsports/718.jpg


UPDATED!! GT MOTORSPORTS Sets the bar! VQ35DE 855RWHP @ 22 PSI - MY350Z.COM Forums

With the ability to do a 4.2-4.3 liter stroker, it is a superior platform to make more power.

When have you seen a 2jz or Rb with a curve like that? Have you seen a GN, RB, 2JZ make that much power with 16psi?

The curve is nice, the peak numbers are nothing new to the 2JZ though. Comparing a 3.5 or 3.7 liter with 4-valve heads to a 3.0 to 3.4 motor or a 3.8 with 2-valve heads at 16psi is one way of looking at it.

I question if those VQs could hold together for 1 mile runs. If it was a superior design for big hp, shouldn't we start to see them in the 1 Mile runs? The Supras are all over those.

what does it take, $ wise and mod wise to get in that horsepower range. I honestly want to know.

Used 03/04 Cobra with a twin screw is 600rwhp or so, correct? A single turbo Supra is as well.

the future of 2 door V8's is slowing dying. the sooner you realize that the better off you'll be. the world is going towards more efficient vehicles that can make the same power of a V8 but with 2 or 4 less cylinders and have four doors and return good MPG. we're slowly headed towards a world that wants to break away from fossil fuels and invest in "hybrid" crap and "solar powered".
trust me....i miss the good ole' days of the Chevy vs. Ford debates. now its Chevy vs. Ford vs. SRT this, STI that, GT-R over here, EVO IX over there etc. etc.

I don't know how better off we'll be but you have a point. MB and BMW are moving towards FI. The McLaren is a 3.8L twin turbo. At the SRTs are domestic pushrods that give G8, GTO, Fbody (LSx) and S197 4.6 & 5.0 owners something to talk about.

What's a v37? the guy saw a g35 tt, a japanese car. It would make sense to talk about japanese cars. What happened to American cars? The owners use to be cool.

 

[Mr370z]

I question if those VQs could hold together for 1 mile runs. If it was a superior design for big hp, shouldn't we start to see them in the 1 Mile runs? The Supras are all over those.

That's an excellent point. Maybe people find it cheaper, easier, to go for the 2jz build. I don't think the VQ is immensely popular.

Used 03/04 Cobra with a twin screw is 600rwhp or so, correct? A single turbo Supra is as well.

Right you are on that one. Although I am not the biggest fan of a big turbo Supra unless it's built right. I think most people agree they are the kings of roll races but it takes the right build and driver to rule from a dig.

I don't know how better off we'll be but you have a point. MB and BMW are moving towards FI. The McLaren is a 3.8L twin turbo. At the SRTs are domestic pushrods that give G8, GTO, Fbody (LSx) and S197 4.6 & 5.0 owners something to talk about.

He has an excellent point. The world is looking towards a more environmentally automobile fleet so I think more cars will be seeing forced induction application engines that will provide somewhat equal power but be far more efficient. Not to mention that we won't always have gas to burn so alternative energy/fuel sources are something to contemplate. Of course with new technologies also brings new problems... such as disposing of those big nasty battery powered vehicles, etc. I don't think there's a perfect solution to the problem.

And why did you even have that last quote Deuce lol

 

[Seraphus]

the future of 2 door V8's is slowing dying. the sooner you realize that the better off you'll be. the world is going towards more efficient vehicles that can make the same power of a V8 but with 2 or 4 less cylinders and have four doors and return good MPG. we're slowly headed towards a world that wants to break away from fossil fuels and invest in "hybrid" crap and "solar powered".
trust me....i miss the good ole' days of the Chevy vs. Ford debates. now its Chevy vs. Ford vs. SRT this, STI that, GT-R over here, EVO IX over there etc. etc.

None of that shit matters at this point. I can have a 2 door V8 until the day I die and I'm only 21. This revolutionary change and move towards efficiency that you're talking about is not gonna affect that fact. Trust me when I say that 25 years from now I'll still be able to drive around in a nice American V8 making tons of power, even if I have to scrap it together myself. So to start buying smaller engine cars now because at some random point in the future the others will "die off" is stupid.

I'll stick with large displacement V8's. Oh and as far as environmentally friendly, my vette got better MPG than most of the cars on the road which is why I'll be buying another one soon.

Far as the OT goes. He's lying for sure. While the motor CAN make that much power you'll need tons of money, time, and your right arm to get it done. Honestly, how many 500+hp 350z's do you see running around? I've only ever seen 4 of them and I live in one of the car meccas of the nation. My friend had a stillen supercharged 350z and would get smoked by I/E GTO's and stock vetts/gt500's all the time. So $6k+ got him jack shit lol. Then I got my stock C5Z and he immediately sold his car cause he couldn't stand the fact that I had a $24,000 car that would beat his FI'd VQ lol.

Any engine can make tons of HP if you throw enough $$$$$ at it but that's not the point. The point is that VQ engines suck ass for performance unless you dump everything you've got into them.