VMP TVS or 2.9 Whipple...?

[dirtyo2000]

3.25 upper and 16lbs of boost. 734rwhp. A lot of supporting mods that are helping. I think I can say its easily making it since I still have a little room left with the 3.00 pulley in the glove box. Only is Lund said the car was close to maxing out the fuel system. I just love hearing the term easy, then everything else that follows.

 

[2nd2none]

Now you've heard of 2.

692rwhp @ 18deg of timing
707rwhp @ 20deg of timing
733rwhp @ 22deg of timing

I'm soooo close....696rwhp but thats with a daily driving conservative 91 octane tune.

 

[VNMOUS1]

I'm soooo close....696rwhp but thats with a daily driving conservative 91 octane tune.

slacker

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[VNMOUS1]

3.25 upper and 16lbs of boost. 734rwhp. A lot of supporting mods that are helping. I think I can say its easily making it since I still have a little room left with the 3.00 pulley in the glove box. Only is Lund said the car was close to maxing out the fuel system. I just love hearing the term easy, then everything else that follows.

Exactly.

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[dirtyo2000]

So technically the 2.3 should be a lot faster than the 2.9 since it's making the same HP and more TQ. For some odd reason everytime I see a VMP TVS dyno chart the HP and TQ are about the same. So in theory if it's making 733rwhp and the TQ is over 700 the 2.9 just doesn't stand a chance in theory.

I did a lot of research when I was in the market for my blower back in 2010. I give much respect to Van and Lund for their honest input. Although Van is a KB guy, and so is Lund they still took the time to explain in depth the differences. After many nights of reading and researching I came to the conclusion that I wanted the whipple. The looks were a big selling point and my brother offered a great deal on his 3.4 since he was moving up to the 4.0 in 11.

I did some research on the TVS and talked briefly to the seller who I think I was bothering since he was busy and only stated the TVS was the best out of all 3. When it came time for the results, I couldn't be happier with the Whipple. The KB woud gave the same results, maybe a little higher according to some. I didn't want to nocth the hood or remove the liner from what I read, besides the KB just didn't look like it belong there to me. Again my opinon but performance I can't knock it at all.

When I started reading about the efficiency of the blowers I did run into a problem with whipple to an extent. KB puts it out there and have no problems challenging anyone backing it up with facts. Whipple is a little difficult since most that answer the phone know very little about the blower and have to be redirected a few times and even then they question why you need that information lol

In the end I think all the blowers will give a feeling of satisfaction. I only have experience with Whipple personally by installing and running them. I have driven the 2.9 (everyday on my car) 3.4 on brothers 08 that I did enjoy the power but rest of the ride sucks. 4.0 which is just crazy out of control until you get to 4th where things seem to make you think your in control.

I have ran over two TVS cars and have one that has thrown everything at his and still getting ran over top of. I just can't see how the smaller blower is basically doing what the slightly larger blowers are doing so easily. Done with my rambling but I will say this. The TVS is a great starter blower and maybe capable of great numbers. I'm just wondering what is the purpose of having a 2.8 or 2.9 blower if the 2.3 does the exact same thing but better. When it makes the power the larger blowers do (which is wild) it brings the TQ with it. If you take what is written about the TVS then there is no reason for the larger blowers.

The TVS is a great fit since it bolts on so quickly. Granted the whipple does require some work, which is fun to do and pretty easy. Next thing the TVS will break the 1K mark and be on the same level with the 3.4 and 3.6 blowers.

 

[bull3441]

Now you've heard of 2.

692rwhp @ 18deg of timing
707rwhp @ 20deg of timing
733rwhp @ 22deg of timing

doesn't count if it's on a Dynojet oke: i made 779rwhp on a MD1100SE dyno, 15.8 psi 21* 93oct, but i have cams and 9.5:1 CR

 

[slowbra1]

doesn't count if it's on a Dynojet oke: i made 779rwhp on a MD1100SE dyno, 15.8 psi 21* 93oct, but i have cams and 9.5:1 CR

Are those happy dynos

 

[UnleashedBeast]

Dirty, you should post up some videos of these TVS cars, if you have them.

That would be interesting to see.

 

[NightRide]

It does make sense that a bigger blower car would start to pull up top. UB have you ran any KB or whipple GT500s?

 

[UnleashedBeast]

It does make sense that a bigger blower car would start to pull up top. UB have you ran any KB or whipple GT500s?

There are not any around my area. Would like to though, to see what the difference would be.

 

[Illtaketwlight]

You guys that brag about the torque the TVS puts out. Tells me one thing, you've never drove or road in a Whipple car. A Whipple will Whipple your ass. KB verses Whipple is a different story. You can compare those two. Here's the way i look at it. Stock blower up to about 620/640 HP Maxed out. TVS up to about 700, but even then its working hard. Any higher and you need a Whipple or KB and they will do 700 with ease. This is why you see a lot of TVS's for sale.

 

[VNMOUS1]

Dirty/Twilight, you guys slay me!

Bj

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[GO_N_H.A.M]

so 20 psi on the FRPP is safe boost for 93 octane?

what isnt safem, boost wise for the regular blower? im looking at running a 2.35, the same one as unleashed beast i think....

 

[cjgt500]

With an upper only at 2.385" you will be at 17.5 w/o cats and 18.5 w/ cats. You can get away with a 93 oct tune but little margin. If you are running a lower OD pulley then no way would it be safe IMO. In other words for 20lbs of boost that is race gas territory.

 

[GTOGreg]

You guys that brag about the torque the TVS puts out. Tells me one thing, you've never drove or road in a Whipple car. A Whipple will Whipple your ass. KB verses Whipple is a different story. You can compare those two. Here's the way i look at it. Stock blower up to about 620/640 HP Maxed out. TVS up to about 700, but even then its working hard. Any higher and you need a Whipple or KB and they will do 700 with ease. This is why you see a lot of TVS's for sale.

I don't see a lot of them? Please point me to one that is current. I'm in the market and would jump on a good deal with a used one.

 

[UnleashedBeast]

Still waiting on videos of all this Whipple 2.9 pwnage!

:lol1:

 

[dirtyo2000]

Currently back enroute to Hawaii. Once I get there and settled in I think I have some of the highway runs we did on one of my hard drives. It's in my household goods. I'll get it posted up. I will say this with a bit of confidence. I'll slay that TVS. Not picking on them at all but they are a tad over exaggerated in my personal opinion. Easily over 700 is just taking things to lightly. The TVS is not easily going over 700 like talking about. My car was tuned at Evolution, I have read that it is not a happy dyno.

My brother's car let go when it was at the 840 mark with a 3.4 whipple. There was nothing easy about his set up making that. There was room for more but he didn't want the extra safeguards to push it. It still let go. Now over the 1K mark on race fuel it is defintely nothing easy about it. It does make 870 easily though.

I would understand it better if it were stated that the TVS can make 700rwhp but you have to spin it to the moon. You will require race fuel because your boost will be exceeding pump gas ability. The boost will be extremely high at this point and you defintely run the chances of detonation. Then it would give the reader some idea of what he is getting into. Taking 20lbs of boost and race fuel to make what someone else is doing with 16 lbs of boost and pump gas is a huge difference. That is what some are not understanding.

For the one that is making 696 with the TVS and is so close. Is it fair to say that with the same mods and a Whipple/Kenne Bell tuned he would easily be over 700 rwhp? I'm just asking

 

[NightRide]

I'm convinced but hope I don't have to take a hammer to my firewall, yikes.

 

[dirtyo2000]

Lol I think it depends on the clearance that you have. Don't use the hammer on the firewall, use Tob's special tool. Hit the tool with the hammer lol. I think, not exactly sure, I had enough room because of the EPAS. Not sure but just maybe since the newer cars have it the K member is already all the way to the front. I had a 1/4 clearance between the valve and the insulation. Even still I could push the insulation about an 1/8 of an inch before it was actually snug against the firewall.

Whatever you decide you'll be happy I'm sure. Just know that when you start talking about making the 700 rwhp mark easily, it can be a hard task to accomplish and what precautions need to be taken. The most I do is keep a can of TORCO in the trunk for those time I know I'll be doing extended roll ons from 2-5 gear or on out of town trips where I might not be able to get 92,93 octane. Just drop a can in the tank and playtime is all the time.

 

[Proto]

Who said it can make 700 "easy"? seems like this debate came after I said "simplicity and 700+ capable". 700+ is a damn near maxed tvs, which maybe 10% of guys that go tvs will do. Simplicity is just referring to design and install, fit and finish, and how well it responds to supporting mods. I don't think anyone a year ago was expecting the tvs to be able to make as much power as we see now.

It's an entry level bargain blower that I've only seen pop up in the market from time to time vs the frpp blower and whipple/kb, but that could also be due to the amount of whipple/kb's out there over the vmp.

There's no doubt the whipple wil make more power on the higher end of the psi table, but for what it is, it's a hard unit to disregard for ur average joe that's looking to make decent power. Not everyone's looking to make astronomical numbers


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