VMP TVS or 2.9 Whipple...?

[VNMOUS1]

Proto, 800 is "dammed near maxed" as you say, not 700.

Money is another element of efficiency for 90% of owners. You can bolt on OUR TVS, cold air and nothing else and pick up 180-200 rwhp on an '07-' 10 for less than $4000 including a new tuner.

Will a larger blower have more maximum potential to make more power than a 2.3L? Of course.

That's not the point. Much of this thread has been apples to oranges comparison.

For the money and bang for the buck it's nearly impossible to beat the VMP TVS.

Bj

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[slowbra1]

Currently back enroute to Hawaii. Once I get there and settled in I think I have some of the highway runs we did on one of my hard drives. It's in my household goods. I'll get it posted up. I will say this with a bit of confidence. I'll slay that TVS. Not picking on them at all but they are a tad over exaggerated in my personal opinion. Easily over 700 is just taking things to lightly. The TVS is not easily going over 700 like talking about. My car was tuned at Evolution, I have read that it is not a happy dyno.

My brother's car let go when it was at the 840 mark with a 3.4 whipple. There was nothing easy about his set up making that. There was room for more but he didn't want the extra safeguards to push it. It still let go. Now over the 1K mark on race fuel it is defintely nothing easy about it. It does make 870 easily though.

I would understand it better if it were stated that the TVS can make 700rwhp but you have to spin it to the moon. You will require race fuel because your boost will be exceeding pump gas ability. The boost will be extremely high at this point and you defintely run the chances of detonation. Then it would give the reader some idea of what he is getting into. Taking 20lbs of boost and race fuel to make what someone else is doing with 16 lbs of boost and pump gas is a huge difference. That is what some are not understanding.

For the one that is making 696 with the TVS and is so close. Is it fair to say that with the same mods and a Whipple/Kenne Bell tuned he would easily be over 700 rwhp? I'm just asking

Points to ponder

 

[Ray Lucca]

Dirty, maybe I missed it but could you list the info about your car, year, etc. and Mods, Evo Tune [On site, by e-mail, John L. personally do the Tune??], do you have Van's Heat Exchanger, and gears?? Dyno sheet with A/F, and Boost if available. Evo has a Mustang Dyno and unless it's in competition mode, would probably read lower than a Dynojet. Looking at up-grade options for my 09..... Thanx

 

[orange04]

I myself have been on the fence about these two blowers. I have read countless forum posts and talked to many different owners. The VMP TVS seems like the best deal out there. I have one question I have yet to answer with all my research.

Does the TVS heat soak faster than a Kenne Belle or 2.9L Whipple?

Let take road racing for instance, How much sooner, if any, would the TVS hit the point where the pcm starts pulling timing faster since it is being spun harder to make the same power as the twin screws?

I do a lot of bumper to bumper traffic driving and already have Revan Racing cooling mods so I have the best tools to fight heat soak but is this going to pose a problem? Sitting in traffic is there a lot of heat being built up to where the extra power will be gone?

When I had my pullied Shelby with no heat exchanger or cooling mods after one WOT blast the car would not break the tires loose anymore? I installed the Revan Heat Exchanger and don't have this problem anymore. Does this happen with the bigger blowers or more importantly with the TVS since this is what I'm leaning towards.

Has anyone ever logged what the IAT temp difference are between the blowers at a given horsepower? I know the TVS makes awesome power but what happens after 2-3 pulls on the dyno? What kind of power drop if any would you see after the 3rd pull?

I'm not knocking or putting down one blower or the other, just trying to get some real life data and experiences with the blowers.

Thanks in advance.

 

[overtime]

Proto, 800 is "dammed near maxed" as you say, not 700.

Money is another element of efficiency for 90% of owners. You can bolt on OUR TVS, cold air and nothing else and pick up 180-200 rwhp on an '07-' 10 for less than $4000 including a new tuner.

Will a larger blower have more maximum potential to make more power than a 2.3L? Of course.

That's not the point. Much of this thread has been apples to oranges comparison.

For the money and bang for the buck it's nearly impossible to beat the VMP TVS.

Bj

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+1
677 rwhp & 640 tq with this set up and very happy with it. 17lbs of boost. My header install should drop the boost slightly. I do however get some belt slip with the 2.5" pulley and Thump tensioner.

 

[UnleashedBeast]

Taking 20lbs of boost and race fuel to make what someone else is doing with 16 lbs of boost and pump gas is a huge difference. That is what some are not understanding.

I've always understood this fact, and why I want a larger twin screw blower.

The Whipple 2.9, 3.4, or KB 2.8LC or 3.6LC would do everything I ever wanted to do with my car.

I'm convinced but hope I don't have to take a hammer to my firewall, yikes.

Whipple revised the inlet to eliminate the requirement of said hammer mod.

or so I have read.

 

[Ray Lucca]

Troy, "said hammer mod."....Beautiful!!

 

[VNMOUS1]

I myself have been on the fence about these two blowers. I have read countless forum posts and talked to many different owners. The VMP TVS seems like the best deal out there. I have one question I have yet to answer with all my research.

Does the TVS heat soak faster than a Kenne Belle or 2.9L Whipple?

Let take road racing for instance, How much sooner, if any, would the TVS hit the point where the pcm starts pulling timing faster since it is being spun harder to make the same power as the twin screws?

I do a lot of bumper to bumper traffic driving and already have Revan Racing cooling mods so I have the best tools to fight heat soak but is this going to pose a problem? Sitting in traffic is there a lot of heat being built up to where the extra power will be gone?

When I had my pullied Shelby with no heat exchanger or cooling mods after one WOT blast the car would not break the tires loose anymore? I installed the Revan Heat Exchanger and don't have this problem anymore. Does this happen with the bigger blowers or more importantly with the TVS since this is what I'm leaning towards.

Has anyone ever logged what the IAT temp difference are between the blowers at a given horsepower? I know the TVS makes awesome power but what happens after 2-3 pulls on the dyno? What kind of power drop if any would you see after the 3rd pull?

I'm not knocking or putting down one blower or the other, just trying to get some real life data and experiences with the blowers.

Thanks in advance.

I have numerous data logs I am glad to share with you that show exact downstream temps on both track and dyno use. Multiple passes, multiple pulls.
Email me directly for them or call me for more details. The short version is that you will not pull timing with that cooling, the right tuning and a vmp tvs.

Bj

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[UnleashedBeast]

Troy, "said hammer mod."....Beautiful!!

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[orange04]

I have numerous data logs I am glad to share with you that show exact downstream temps on both track and dyno use. Multiple passes, multiple pulls.
Email me directly for them or call me for more details. The short version is that you will not pull timing with that cooling, the right tuning and a vmp tvs.

Bj

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Awesome!! That would pretty much seal the deal for me!!

What email address do I use?

Thanks BJ

 

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Sub'n...

 

[dirtyo2000]

Proto, 800 is "dammed near maxed" as you say, not 700.

Money is another element of efficiency for 90% of owners. You can bolt on OUR TVS, cold air and nothing else and pick up 180-200 rwhp on an '07-' 10 for less than $4000 including a new tuner.

I would love to see the supporting list of mods for that one. Hell for giggles let's just get a built motor and triple hat fuel system and spin the little blower up to 900 rwhp. Where does the TVS max out at?


There was a thread a while back about maxing out the 2.9. I can't even recall exactly what the 2.9 made.

I did a thread on my car but had to delete a lot of pics out of my account due to space restrictions. My car was tuned at Evolution by Lund in person. Probably foget a few but basically for the dyno number achieved:

2.9 whipple
JLT 127 mm CAI
L&M 72mm TB
72lb injectors
dynatech LTs with 3 in ORX into factory mufflers (car is catless)
dynotech aluminum ds
revan HE/RAD
bmr UCA/LCA
MGW shifter
a few other things but to get the easily 700+ took quite a few mods. The car is an 11. Not sure if the cams are different or the same as previous years. Lund did say the 11s were putting out a few more horses than the previous years. I haven't researched to see if it's the cams (they might be the same not sure), EPAS since the car isn't spinning the PS pump. Or some other reason.

I am in no way stating buy this or that. I just don't understand when people say things to someone that are not entirely factual. I have someone that is very cool with me throwing fits about all the money he spent and still I keep dragging his --- down the road. Not saying the TVS is a bad blower and take nothing from it. Just saying keep things in perspective. When someone says I want to make 700rwhp, the term easily is used to loosely with certain people.

There are some great people on this board and a few awesome vendors. My shouts go out to REVAN (Van) Racing. One of the best guys to talk too. Lethal (Jared, there is an idiot that works there too but don't hold that against them) Racing. Lund (god of tuning, when he's not out flying/hoovering).

I look at things like this. When you call and speak to someone and they give you the pros and cons to everything. That is the vendor that I enjoy doing business with. Not just say hey" buy my blower. You want the most TQ" buy my blower". easiest to install" buy my blower". best IATs" buy my blower". best looking one" buy my blower". 700rwhp easily "buy my blower". Just my .0001 cents non refundable. excuse the typing but using the galaxy. taking a bite out of the apple everyday until its gone.:dancenana:

 

[dirtyo2000]

searching with the galaxy so maybe it will come out.

http://www.svtperformance.com/forums/shelby-gt500-150/726114-maxing-out-whipple-2-9-a.html

 

[VNMOUS1]

Dirty, do a little searching and you'll find plenty of documentation on the VMP TVS., and in particular Justin's at 800 rwhp. Absolutely no unsubstantiated claims.

A TVS is but one option, we all know that. And it's been well documented that it takes x mods/boost/etc to get it there.

The point is that you can hit that magical 700 rwhp number with the following :

VMP TVS. $3499
10% lower. $650
CAI (123 or more preferred) $350
72# injectors. $299 (modded)
Larger TB (eg CJ65mm) $680

Around $5500. And an off road x on factory manifolds.

That's the list. Exactly what I had on my car (07 GT500) with 3.73s and some Torco in BP 93 for safety. Just over 21psi and 21* of timing. Number are SAE. You can find the graph on the VMP forums.

You are right, each of the people you mention are good, knowledgeable guys and can be a great source of insight. Your language suggests that I or we are otherwise and that we do nothing but wave a TVS flag. I have never received a call or email from you about anything, ever. Had I, I would have taken the same time with you that I do with dozens of forum members each week. And, like the others, I do so whether you're a customer or not.

You are the one that said only a couple of TVS equipped cars make 700+. You're wrong, and now you've seen the parts list. (by the way, the car made mid 680s the other day with 4.10s, and it did swap some boost for hp with the addition of long tubes).

It's great to have choices. You've made yours and I've not seen anyone disrespect it. Just know that your "best way" of accomplishing a goal isn't the ONLY way and perhaps not the best way for everyone. Everyone is entitled to an opinion and personal choice.

I hope you'll join me in respecting those points. Oh, and I welcome a call anytime to discuss whatever you wish.

Bj

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[GO_N_H.A.M]

im so confuuused!!!

i kid, but for a newbie a lot of great info here.

 

[Ray Lucca]

Dirty, very impressive. I missed it but what are your numbers for HP, TQ, Boost, and Pulley size, with your listed set-up?? No Bap or Pumps??? WOW!! For a guy who came over from the Terminator world, we had to make those changes at 500 Rwhp.... Thanx..

 

[slowbra1]

im so confuuused!!!

i kid, but for a newbie a lot of great info here.

Yes indeed there is.

 

[03 DSG Snake]

Is there a chart for Pulley vs. Boost on the 2.9L? Didn't see it on Whipple's site.

 

[mustang loco]

but for a newbie a lot of great info here.

agree!!

 

[slowbra1]

Is there a chart for Pulley vs. Boost on the 2.9L? Didn't see it on Whipple's site.

I'm sure someone has them would be interesting to see them.