01 cobra vs 2000 camaro SS? who do you think would win

[tt335ci03cobra]

Those ratings are wrong. Both 01 Cobras and Mach dyno around 280rwhp stock. They're both 320HP cars. Don't know if you were just being sarcastic..?

This is true, I was stating rated hp. Mach's actually dyno higher suprisingly especially considering the sra eats more power than the IRS.

Edit: ford probably played it safe because of all the controversy with 99's and 01's rated/actual power pre fix.

 

[xsellr8]

This is true, I was stating rated hp. Mach's actually dyno higher suprisingly especially considering the sra eats more power than the IRS.

I heard the exact opposite SRA>IRS on efficiency. Must be them elbow axle shafts :burn:

 

[tt335ci03cobra]

Absolutely not! A full bolt-on LS1 is NOT a driver's race compared to even a full bolt-on 4V.

Full bolt-on LS1's make somewhere around 330-350rwhp (depending on the transmission). Very few 4V's can crack the 310/320rw mark with JUST bolt-ons. I probably won't make but 350rwhp with custom cams, and that's pretty sad all things considered.

Right... Project superfly made 380whp with cams in a 98 block na....

4.6 4v modulars have made 460+hp na and 5.4 modulars have made 550+hp na, al papito, et al have done so.

That said ls1's have also made 100hp/liter but its not as reliable and needs more compression.

 

[tt335ci03cobra]

I heard the exact opposite SRA>IRS on efficiency. Must be them elbow axle shafts :burn:

It's the knuckles, they rip shit up haha.

Honestly though, I've heard Sra's eat more power. There's gonna be a whole lot of proof either way. I've seen guys lose or gain whp going sra but they never mention that the dyno's weren't same day/same conditions and jump to conclusions with factoring out barometric/weather variables.

That said, its not a big difference, on average, 1-3%

Probably some Sra's are better than some irs's and vice versa, it'll come down to weight of moving parts, drag, inertia et al, its definitely not a fine rule either way.

I'm sure a light simple irs like an s2000's would eat less power than a heaver ford 9" with 33 spline spindles et al.

 

[tt335ci03cobra]

I know it surprises people when they find out I'm hooking so well with an IRS, most people write irs setups off as garbage, I found a way to make mine work with 920wtq on pump gas and hard wall nt05r's in an 18. Gearing, bracing, bushings, and shafts plus a trutrac go a long ways. Car still handles epicly as well. Can't complain. Even if I gained 10-20whp going sra an ditched some weight, I'd consider it a cop out because its more impressive to run fast IRS/t56 than sra auto to me.

Not bashing auto/sra cobras but different strokes for different folks, I'll probably never hit mid 8's but it doesn't phase me too bad. My mph will get there eventually, the rest is just bragging rights.

 

[S8ER01Z]

It's about the best air you'll find at an open, year round track.

The da might be way better now but if its 10-20* outside, you'll spin to 60+. You might gain 2-3mph but you'll 60ft in the 3's.

It was -2 actually... We get to run on New Year's Day here and it's not bad with some track prep. It's just too cold to do it for long so typically the tracks close in November and Open in May.

Why do we care what a cobra ran stock? I'm talking about the situation in this thread, and saying the Cobra with 4.10s will be right with the mustangs I posted in the vids. My post was to say the Cobra should be in the same boat as what my mach ran with 3.55s. That should be accurate, if not the Cobra with the edge.

I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm just keeping up with the conversation. IF the cobra was guaranteed to hook the LS1 would lose every time.

 

[S8ER01Z]

You're right, but it just explains why an LS1 can unlock more power. You won't get much more out if a 4V since its already efficient.

:beer:

I know there is a lot of trolling going on here but I think most of us are o the same page.

 

[S8ER01Z]

Right... Project superfly made 380whp with cams in a 98 block na....

4.6 4v modulars have made 460+hp na and 5.4 modulars have made 550+hp na, al papito, et al have done so.

That said ls1's have also made 100hp/liter but its not as reliable and needs more compression.

Once again who cares.. My buddies ls6 with an a&a made 570rwhp... He's not running around quoting HP per liter.

 

[Stopsign32v]

Isn't one a ford and the other a tv show with some kid race driver?

No wait ones IRS wilder cam 4v 320hp, the others sra, shaker hood, milder cam 305hp with retro gauges, shifter and compliant suspension mods over a gt.

Bored bro, bored.

I mixed the times, I know the difference in the cars, you could also get an auto Mach if you wanted. Cobras we m5 only. 99's had a cam phasing issue that had to be set properly to make full advertised power.

Yes, the only difference is one had IRS, wilder CAM, and phasing issues where the other had a shaker hood, milder CAM, retro gauges, shifter, and compliant suspension mods over a gt.

 

[94 White T/A]

All stock/bolt on LS1's I've seen have been in the 310-370 range, but that is also at 1500' or less and about 80* weather. My buddys bolt on UNtuned LS1 made 370 on 3 different dynos on 3 different days, but that's a factory freak

 

[tt335ci03cobra]

Yes, the only difference is one had IRS, wilder CAM, and phasing issues where the other had a shaker hood, milder CAM, retro gauges, shifter, and compliant suspension mods over a gt.

??? Are you getting at teksid aluminum block vs cast? Honestly, you aren't making sense here.

-seats are different
-shifter is different
-rear gear is different 3.27 vs 3.55
-interior option colors are different
-bumpers, spoiler, side skirts and rear bumpers are different
-rims and brakes are different

What more do you want guy, you're really nit picking at this point.

The owners manuals have slight differences, the base prices were slightly different, the Mach's were 03/04, 01 cobras were late 00's and early 01.

You could get a convertible 01 cobra but not a convertible Mach 1

The shaker hood on Mach's have a black vinyl decal, and black spoiler. Cobras don't have any two tone accents unless you ordered the gaudy cobra side stickers.

Next you'll tell me I'm clueless because I forgot the floor mats. Bored.

 

[tt335ci03cobra]

Once again who cares.. My buddies ls6 with an a&a made 570rwhp... He's not running around quoting HP per liter.

You (guys) said a 4.6 won't make "but 350whp" with custom cams. An ls6 punched out to what? How many liters? It's pretty sad if a built ls2 isn't making 100hp/l. It's pretty sad that you keep being a fanboy. It's pretty sad that you get butt hurt when you get proven wrong. It's pretty sad I replied to this bs post

Absolutely not! A full bolt-on LS1 is NOT a driver's race compared to even a full bolt-on 4V.

Very few 4V's can crack the 310/320rw mark with JUST bolt-ons. It probably won't make but 350rwhp with custom cams, and that's pretty sad all things considered.

you wrote up and all you can say is who cares. It's pretty sad you nit pick everybody with a 3rd grade mentality then shy away time and time again when your bs gets called out.

Edit: calling out both at same time.

 

[tt335ci03cobra]

Mind also, superfly made 380whp with off the shelf stage 3 cams in 2001? I think it was, get outta here with your stuff. You're thinking of built 2v's having a hard time making 350whp. 4v's have and will continue to make 100hp/L pretty easily with good cams and bolt ons. So will ls mills but not as reliably and with higher compression.

I think al papito got 625+hp out of a built, 12:1 5.4 with hi revving custom grinds. A custom grind max effort 4.6 probably could make 525hp at 9,000rpms, it's probably already been done in super stock.


Edit Sean Hyland and he's made 600hp with a 4.6, like 120hp/L. Al Papito has made some crazy 5.4's.

 

[S8ER01Z]

I don't even... Go home multiquote you're drunk.

Also what BS??? I'm posting facts and your talking HP per liter/CID.

I mean if making 100hp per liter makes you feel good...but I would rather make 500rwhp at 80hp per liter than 400rwhp at 100hp per liter.

Also.. The 405hp ls6 is a 5.7l... I'm guessing you weren't aware by your comment so just filling you in.

 

[tt335ci03cobra]

I don't even... Go home multiquote you're drunk.

You can't even... You give up.

 

[Camaro_94]

Shit dun hit the fan in this thread.

I think I own the only stock LS1 A4 fbody left in the world though.

 

[S8ER01Z]

You can't even... You give up.

You're responding to the wrong quotes in your post... I'm not sure you even know what your point is here.

 

[tt335ci03cobra]

You're responding to the wrong quotes in your post... I'm not sure you even know what your point is here.

You guys aren't friends just trying to tag team? Fooled me.

 

[Stopsign32v]

Shit dun hit the fan in this thread.

I think I own the only stock LS1 A4 fbody left in the world though.

:??: I didn't think you had an Fbomb anymore

 

[S8ER01Z]

You guys aren't friends just trying to tag team? Fooled me.

I'm surprised you're not used to everyone disagreeing with your point of view to be honest. :banana: