01 cobra vs 2000 camaro SS? who do you think would win

[OW99]

This thread is a big cluster ****, you can't blame him or anyone else for being lost at this point.

But this is what it all boils down to, no trolling: If the Cobra is in fact racing a truly bone stock SS, it's probably a solid 13.3-13.6 car, especially taking the driver factor out of it. I don't know of many 100% stock LS1's though. Most have at least the free mods or some exhaust work, which provide noticeable gains. The SS in question may be a 12.9-13.3 car with free mods and/or other work. OP doesn't even know the exact year of the damn thing, much less his setup. It's probably in everyone's best interest to assume it's at least slightly modified, if not by the current owner then by the previous owner.

Now onto the Cobra... With 4.10's he should very well get a jump off the line and from any roll easy, but probably won't with those banging Sumitomo's. The fact that he even has to ask what it'll do against a stock LS1 tells me he doesn't have much if any experience, so we can throw out these sub-13.5 times that other, more experienced drivers are running stock. And his is a vert no less.

OP is definitely going to have his hands full if we're talking realistically. Now assuming both parties are John Force-like and launch/handle their cars to the max, the Cobra on the streets should pull a stock A4 SS by a car or two.

What really needs to be faced at this point is the CAI and cat-back aren't really shit. No CAI provides signifcant gains on these 4V's and it's a Flowmaster cat-back, popular for it's sound not it's power. All the OP really has going for him right now is his 4.10 gears since the O/R X and tuner aren't even installed, and even then the tuner really isn't worth shit either.

^ I agree 100%

 

[tt335ci03cobra]

I say all of you guys should pay pal $100 to the op.

 

[tt335ci03cobra]

This thread is a fail but this pic makes up for it, enjoy.

 

[S8ER01Z]

I hate to break it to you, but ws6 cars were converted by ASC and have no SLP parts. Firehawks and SS's are the SLP cars

Yeah I forgot about that... The lt1 ws6 was SLP iirc and asc did the ls1 cars. Same deal though... Fancy plastic cladding, rims and some optional suspension mods. If you we're lucky you got a lid/catback out of the deal.

 

[S8ER01Z]

This thread is a big cluster ****, you can't blame him or anyone else for being lost at this point.

But this is what it all boils down to, no trolling: If the Cobra is in fact racing a truly bone stock SS, it's probably a solid 13.3-13.6 car, especially taking the driver factor out of it. I don't know of many 100% stock LS1's though. Most have at least the free mods or some exhaust work, which provide noticeable gains. The SS in question may be a 12.9-13.3 car with free mods and/or other work. OP doesn't even know the exact year of the damn thing, much less his setup. It's probably in everyone's best interest to assume it's at least slightly modified, if not by the current owner then by the previous owner.

Now onto the Cobra... With 4.10's he should very well get a jump off the line and from any roll easy, but probably won't with those banging Sumitomo's. The fact that he even has to ask what it'll do against a stock LS1 tells me he doesn't have much if any experience, so we can throw out these sub-13.5 times that other, more experienced drivers are running stock. And his is a vert no less.

OP is definitely going to have his hands full if we're talking realistically. Now assuming both parties are John Force-like and launch/handle their cars to the max, the Cobra on the streets should pull a stock A4 SS by a car or two.

What really needs to be faced at this point is the CAI and cat-back aren't really shit. No CAI provides signifcant gains on these 4V's and it's a Flowmaster cat-back, popular for it's sound not it's power. All the OP really has going for him right now is his 4.10 gears since the O/R X and tuner aren't even installed, and even then the tuner really isn't worth shit either.

Sums it up for me.

 

[MACHXLR8]

so....who won the "magazine" race? :lol1:

jk..

 

[S8ER01Z]

so....who won the "magazine" race? :lol1:

jk..

Only 4Vs win races, the answer should be obvious.

 

[tt335ci03cobra]

I'm pretty sure we all know only rotary's win races because racecar

So fast they shed weight while going fast.

 

[Jroc]

I'm pretty sure we all know only rotary's win races because racecar

So fast they shed weight while going fast.

lol.

That's pretty good.

Obviously a LSx RX7 makes for a bad mofo, but I want to see someone throw a new Coyote/Roadrunner motor in one. I guess they could squeeze one between the strut towers? The new 5.0's heads are smaller and more compact than the old 4v heads.

 

[MACHXLR8]

Only 4Vs win races, the answer should be obvious.

LOL..I hear ya, man.
Come on...Let's be honest though..
4Vs win on SVTPerformance and LSXs win on LS1Tech....:beer:

That is why we need to get out and run em and then come back with the real results on vid!

 

[wma8706]

This thread is a big cluster ****, you can't blame him or anyone else for being lost at this point.

But this is what it all boils down to, no trolling: If the Cobra is in fact racing a truly bone stock SS, it's probably a solid 13.3-13.6 car, especially taking the driver factor out of it. I don't know of many 100% stock LS1's though. Most have at least the free mods or some exhaust work, which provide noticeable gains. The SS in question may be a 12.9-13.3 car with free mods and/or other work. OP doesn't even know the exact year of the damn thing, much less his setup. It's probably in everyone's best interest to assume it's at least slightly modified, if not by the current owner then by the previous owner.

Now onto the Cobra... With 4.10's he should very well get a jump off the line and from any roll easy, but probably won't with those banging Sumitomo's. The fact that he even has to ask what it'll do against a stock LS1 tells me he doesn't have much if any experience, so we can throw out these sub-13.5 times that other, more experienced drivers are running stock. And his is a vert no less.

OP is definitely going to have his hands full if we're talking realistically. Now assuming both parties are John Force-like and launch/handle their cars to the max, the Cobra on the streets should pull a stock A4 SS by a car or two.

What really needs to be faced at this point is the CAI and cat-back aren't really shit. No CAI provides signifcant gains on these 4V's and it's a Flowmaster cat-back, popular for it's sound not it's power. All the OP really has going for him right now is his 4.10 gears since the O/R X and tuner aren't even installed, and even then the tuner really isn't worth shit either.

:beer:

 

[94 White T/A]

Yeah I forgot about that... The lt1 ws6 was SLP iirc and asc did the ls1 cars. Same deal though... Fancy plastic cladding, rims and some optional suspension mods. If you we're lucky you got a lid/catback out of the deal.

Yeah. and sorry if my post came across as rude, it wasn't meant to be lol.

 

[tt335ci03cobra]

lol.

That's pretty good.

Obviously a LSx RX7 makes for a bad mofo, but I want to see someone throw a new Coyote/Roadrunner motor in one. I guess they could squeeze one between the strut towers? The new 5.0's heads are smaller and more compact than the old 4v heads.

I hear ya, just for weight/size I'd love to throw a brand new lt1 (from the c7) in an s2000 or fd rx7. So much win with a small single turbo

 

[S8ER01Z]

Yeah. and sorry if my post came across as rude, it wasn't meant to be lol.

No it's cool, that's what I get for going off of memory.

 

[mrlrd1]

Obviously a LSx RX7 makes for a bad mofo, but I want to see someone throw a new Coyote/Roadrunner motor in one. I guess they could squeeze one between the strut towers? The new 5.0's heads are smaller and more compact than the old 4v heads.

Why? There are cheaper, lighter, and easier to install alternatives. And they're not top heavy to the point of creating a roll over hazard :lol1:

 

[tt335ci03cobra]

Why? There are cheaper, lighter, and easier to install alternatives. And they're not top heavy to the point of creating a roll over hazard :lol1:

Roll over hazard... Roll eyes. A lowered rx7 isn't rolling over any time soon. Strap 2000 lbs to the roof and it still won't flip.

But ya a 400lbs dressed ls mill is much lighter than a 580-640lbs modular and easier to fit. I would put an ls/lt(new) in a small car like miata's, rx7's or s2000's. Modulars are great for street cars that you want to make huge power out of "reliably". Vvt-ti in new coyotes is quite trick. Even 4v heads in general though handle high hp/boosted setups much safer than inblocks ohv's.

All can be done though, but its no surprise you never really hear of tt Hennessy ford gt's coughing up internals but you do hear about ls based tt Hennessey's failing often enough. It's tricky to get a single cam to orchestrate a 4 digit symphony when boost is involved, on nitrous it not near as hard to do though. Different power adders work better in different applications.

In an s2000 or rx7, 4 digit power is useless. A recessed back 400-600hp na ls(1,2,3,6,7) or lt1(new) would be prefect IMO. A single turbo for 700whp could honestly be overkill in that small of a wheelbase.

 

[Jroc]

Why? There are cheaper, lighter, and easier to install alternatives. And they're not top heavy to the point of creating a roll over hazard :lol1:

Well because I'm a Ford guy, and was Coyote/Roadrunner in street trim will rev out higher than any streetable LS motor or at least they can be modded to. Besides while yeah some aluminum OHV heads are lighter and sit lower than the older Modular 4v heads aren't that heavy. It shocked the hell out of me the first time I picked an fully assembled 4v head up and felt how light it was for what it looked.

 

[tt335ci03cobra]

They are relatively light but still, 600+ lbs vs 400lbs is a big difference

 

[mrlrd1]

Besides while yeah some aluminum OHV heads are lighter and sit lower than the older Modular 4v heads aren't that heavy. It shocked the hell out of me the first time I picked an fully assembled 4v head up and felt how light it was for what it looked.

The roll over comment was a joke...kinda. But I pulled more mod motor heads in my career than I care to remember. Dropping an LS cylinder head onto a block in a vehicle is easy, from any position. Dropping mod motor head, especially a 4v onto a block in car is akin to an IRON BBC/BBF head, and you need to be ready for it :lol1:. I've done more than a few Aviator and Marauder heads, and with the secondary timing stuff installed they were 70lbs each! An assembled LS1 head is 24lbs.

Edit: I haven't pulled the top end off of a new 5.0 yet. But with the VCT I doubt they're lighter

 

[MACHXLR8]

The roll over comment was a joke...kinda. But I pulled more mod motor heads in my career than I care to remember. Dropping an LS cylinder head onto a block in a vehicle is easy, from any position. Dropping mod motor head, especially a 4v onto a block in car is akin to an IRON BBC/BBF head, and you need to be ready for it :lol1:. I've done more than a few Aviator and Marauder heads, and with the secondary timing stuff installed they were 70lbs each! An assembled LS1 head is 24lbs.

Edit: I haven't pulled the top end off of a new 5.0 yet. But with the VCT I doubt they're lighter

Granted they are bigger and heavier but I think a lot of good came from the 4V head. I think it alllows Ford to use smaller displacement motors (4.6/5.0) and still make good Hp and trq which rivals larger displacement motors.

I also think the overhead cam motors rev higher and faster because of not having to transfer the lift of the cam through a push rod and rocker. It also allows some sort of vairable cam timing to be used to produce more power from a smaller displacement motor. (Honda VTEK is a good e.g. of that)

In my opinion, I think Ford's decision to move away from the traditional pushrod motor is a step in the right direction. I am not knocking the LSx motors since I believe GM did an amazing job with that platform but I feel like the OHC motors are a good platform for future technology.

Just MY opinion! no one take offense and if I am incorrect with my assumptions, please let me know..