Mach 1 vs M3

[RussianStang]

From an owner that has a 2003 BMW M3, and 2014 Mustang GT I just want to let you know that you are an idiot for comparing the m3 to a mach 1.. it just stupid since the m3 is not meant for a straight line even thou it can hand its own.

Also I raced a mach 1 in my e46 m3 stock vs stock and I won by a car. (from a dig)

 

[Fenixfire]

From an owner that has a 2003 BMW M3, and 2014 Mustang GT I just want to let you know that you are an idiot for comparing the m3 to a mach 1.. it just stupid since the m3 is not meant for a straight line even thou it can hand its own.

Also I raced a mach 1 in my e46 m3 stock vs stock and I won by a car.

Was probly an auto mach. They are abit slower than an M5 mach.

 

[RussianStang]

No its was manuel, my friends mach 1 that only had 15k miles on it.

 

[BlueSnake01]

My little 135i loves the JB4 G4 board! What a blast to select so many boost, a/f, user adjustable programs with meth, on top of catless DPs and inter-cooler. All this from the steering wheel control buttons.

I am biased but I was an 03 Cobra owner too.

Was considering getting a G4 board but looks like im going for a G5 instead since im gonna run meth. Did you get a FMIC or you upgraded the stock one?

 

[Fenixfire]

No its was manuel, my friends mach 1 that only had 15k miles on it.

Its close enough to be a drivers race, but the mach still has the edge. I dont know how you could think otherwise.

 

[RussianStang]

From a dig stock to stock no it doesnt. The e46 m3 has a huge advantage from a a dig because of its launch control. And with lower trq and higher hp with less weight it pulls faster and quicker with no wheel spin. My buddy that had the mach1 will agree with that (also a nember on here that now owes 11gt500). Hwy idk of the outcome, never done the roll race.

There is always driver error but in general the numbers just dont lie.

 

[cobra916]

i have a cammed mach... raced my buds e46 m3 from bolt ons to when he got his supercharger... id say even a bolt on 410s mach would lose to a stockish e46 m3 freeway roll.. i think you prolly caught him in a bad gear.. those cars have really long gears.. 4th is like 145.. our cars preform solid..but our cams hold us back too much in na form... once you switch cams its game over... both cars are nice and deserve respect. :beer:

 

[xsellr8]

i have a cammed mach... raced my buds e46 m3 from bolt ons to when he got his supercharger... id say even a bolt on 410s mach would lose to a stockish e46 m3 freeway roll.. i think you prolly caught him in a bad gear.. those cars have really long gears.. 4th is like 145.. our cars preform solid..but our cams hold us back too much in na form... once you switch cams its game over... both cars are nice and deserve respect. :beer:

No sir. He even took the hit and I walked him. If he was in the wrong gear I would have destroyed him. I have the set up and actually ran it, so I can talk.

BTW, a gear that goes that high would be harder to push, not easier.

 

[xsellr8]

From a dig stock to stock no it doesnt. The e46 m3 has a huge advantage from a a dig because of its launch control. And with lower trq and higher hp with less weight it pulls faster and quicker with no wheel spin. My buddy that had the mach1 will agree with that (also a nember on here that now owes 11gt500). Hwy idk of the outcome, never done the roll race.

There is always driver error but in general the numbers just dont lie.

Please tell me you are joking. Let me guess, a Honda Civic doesn't spin so it will win too? Both cars are close on HP, but with the Mach making a boat load more torque its game over. It's as if you are comparing a perfectly driven M3 to a Mach 1 that's spinning on bald tires. My freeway run eliminates the spin factor and shows what both cars really do. Even on street tires at the track with a little wheel spin not one M3 had a higher trap speed or faster E/T. It's not guaranteed a Mach 1 will always spin on the street either. Torque is what gets you out of the hole- most useful from a dig. If a Mach 1 owner knows how to launch he'll jump out ahead.
You're right. The numbers dont lie. The Mach 1 has more RWHP and more RWTQ

 

[04Cobra03]

LOL. Launch control doesn't mean jack

 

[xsellr8]

LOL. Launch control doesn't mean jack

Using it more than 56 times voids the warranty :shrug: and since all M3s come with it...

 

[RussianStang]

I ran my m3 plenty of times vs other mustangs and mach1 and havent lost once from a dig to any of them. You did not run an m3 from a dig and all you did was just a one run on a hwy. so you dont even know if he had a driver error or not. I'm not saying you dont deserve the win or what not but what im saying is stock to stock m3 is faster from a dig. Now you cant really say anything that will make me change my mind on that because i actually own and m3 and a mustang lol.. you are more then welcome to run my m3 if you like here in AZ from a dig but it weights less then 3k now and mine is an smg so no driver error possible on shifting..

Launch control makes a huge difference in the M3's not so much in other cars. I understand this a mustang forum and im going nowhere with this but im just making my point. it feels that you feel like this oke:

 

[RussianStang]

Using it more than 56 times voids the warranty :shrug: and since all M3s come with it...

coming from a guy that said the m3 has a v6 when its an inline 6.

 

[04Cobra03]

I ran my m3 plenty of times vs other mustangs and mach1 and havent lost once from a dig to any of them. You did not run an m3 from a dig and all you did was just a one run on a hwy. so you dont even know if he had a driver error or not. I'm not saying you dont deserve the win or what not but what im saying is stock to stock m3 is faster from a dig. Now you cant really say anything that will make me change my mind on that because i actually own and m3 and a mustang lol.. you are more then welcome to run my m3 if you like here in AZ from a dig but it weights less then 3k now and mine is an smg so no driver error possible on shifting..

Launch control makes a huge difference in the M3's not so much in other cars. I understand this a mustang forum and im going nowhere with this but im just making my point. it feels that you feel like this oke:

You say stock for stock the M3 will win, then invite him to run your modded gutted M3? Does that mean he can run you in his cobra?


I watched all the M3's at MFest at the track and none of the stock ones (they had at least exhaust) were hitting under 14's. while I was doing 13's in my Bullitt. Hmmmm


The bimmer forum says the stock M3 will do a best of 13.2.... The Mach has documented 13.1 and high 12 times stock. So your stock for stock comment doesnt hold up. the M3 will not always win. They are very close, but you cant say always.

This has already been said earlier. The point of this thread is that a M3 wanted some and got its A whooped.

 

[xsellr8]

I ran my m3 plenty of times vs other mustangs and mach1 and havent lost once from a dig to any of them. You did not run an m3 from a dig and all you did was just a one run on a hwy. so you dont even know if he had a driver error or not. I'm not saying you dont deserve the win or what not but what im saying is stock to stock m3 is faster from a dig. Now you cant really say anything that will make me change my mind on that because i actually own and m3 and a mustang lol.. you are more then welcome to run my m3 if you like here in AZ from a dig but it weights less then 3k now and mine is an smg so no driver error possible on shifting..

Launch control makes a huge difference in the M3's not so much in other cars. I understand this a mustang forum and im going nowhere with this but im just making my point. it feels that you feel like this oke:

When did I say it was a V6?
How is there driver error if it was from a roll and he took the hit?? He was not in the wrong gear, that's for sure.
I haven't run an M3 from a dig only because I didn't line up with one at the track, but if we were both at the track the same night with multiple M3s and I ran faster than all of them, what's the difference? I even ran faster than them before my 4.10s.

 

[RussianStang]

You say stock for stock the M3 will win, then invite him to run your modded gutted M3? Does that mean he can run you in his cobra?



The bimmer forum says the stock M3 will do a best of 13.2.... The Mach has documented 13.1 and high 12 times stock. So your stock for stock comment doesnt hold up. the M3 will not always win. They are very close, but you cant say always.

This has already been said earlier. The point of this thread is that a M3 wanted some and got its A whooped.

1. Sure idc, im selling the car anyways.
2. I agree not always, but I was just trying to make a point that stock to stock you are not going to pull 2 or 3 cars on m3. also i have seen stock (beside tire) m3 with good drivers do a 12.7. (at least i think it was stock)
3. I agree, I just went into a different topic like everybody else has.

When did I say it was a V6?
How is there driver error if it was from a roll and he took the hit?? He was not in the wrong gear, that's for sure.
I haven't run an M3 from a dig only because I didn't line up with one at the track, but if we were both at the track the same night with multiple M3s and I ran faster than all of them, what's the difference? I even ran faster than them before my 4.10s.

I believe you said it on page 2 that it has a v6. Anyways its actually very easy to make a huge mistake in the m3 on a roll, the car has 9k rpm and you could very easily be in a higher gear when you could shift lower.

A kill is a kill im not taking that away from you, I just dont like how you started saying that a mach 1 is always going to beat an e46 m3 because its just plain out not true stock to stock.

 

[4valved]

I've ran two e36s from a roll in my 98 cobra and destroyed both, giving them the hit I know the e46 is a diff animal but they are heavier and the smgs suck

 

[xsellr8]

As I stated in the beginning, they are a good match. The Mach has an advantage on torque and a little more room to grow with bolt ons.
I said that a stock Mach 1 would do better than mine on the freeway because of my 4.10s
As for my opinion..

 

[kaz109]

I find it funny that a bigger displacement and more cylinders motor needs cam swap to have the clear advantage, I also find it funk that a pic was posted of a mustang in front on an M3 on a track and a comment was made " nothing new" when mustang guys were screaming like they won't the lotto when the M3 finally lost on the track after yrs of dominance lol

 

[kaz109]

I've ran two e36s from a roll in my 98 cobra and destroyed both, giving them the hit I know the e46 is a diff animal but they are heavier and the smgs suck

This post means nothing as u are right...E36 and E46 are two completely different cars power wise . And yes SMG's are horrible