Finally got my chance with a ZL1

[rattlesnake3:16]

I'm with you on it. Guy is a freggin fanboy. The ZL1 fails. Period. Stock terminators posted low to mid 12s regularly (see below) when they were released. Also, a point, Ford did not release TIMES for the Cobra either. They let the consumer figure it out as well as magazines. When Chevy made this....ZL1...they stated it is capable of 12 flat. Yeah? So is your Cobalt SS. Your freggin Tahoes are "capable" of 12 flat. What kind of statement is that? "Capable." Alot of things are "capable." Are you...GM...capable of explaining why the ZL1 costs more than a grand sport and a new CTS-V that has MORE power from the same setup? NO! You're not "capable" of doing that. What you should be doing is focusing on a camaro that is "capable" of beating the new GT500. (Ouch)

Why is it a fail, because GM advertised it as a win. Against what? There is nothing in its class. The one thing that was, now, is the GT500 and it rapes it. Price. Quarter. Quality. Resale. P*ssy pulling power. Color selections. Options. Standard options. Yet, every magazine always picks the "ZL1 and we don't know why. Just feels better." I bet some of that bail out money burning a hole in their pocket feels EVEN better. You can't even go to a dealership because they have NO BASE C6 (Z51 OR NOT) CORVETTES, and they always say, "Well, this is a corvette with back seats. We could put you in this!" Bastards. When I first drove an SS, the sales guy said "This will run circles around a Corvette." I sternly, STERNLY told him lets get that crap straight.

ZL1. It's like a bottle of expensive bourbon. You know, the kind with the bubble in the middle that makes it LOOK like you are getting a full bottle. At first you get excited, and dive off into it. Then you're pissed because it didn't even get you buzzed.

GTFO ZL1 fanboys. Even I, a hardcore GM guy, see the epic fail of the ZL1. If you like the ZL1, why wouldn't you go Z28? It's faster, sure, more expensive, but you gotta mod your ZL1 to keep up with those GT500s anyway, so who cares? Just order the Z28! Even camaro guys have no excuse! Get that crap out of here!

Lol gotta love these rants but I don't think 2k is a fanboy he's just a guy with a different opinion. Besides he drives a dodge

 

[Sick03Vert]

^^^LOL

I dunno, I consider below .5 to be lower 12s, 11s, whatever and .5 to be mid and .6 to be higher........Not that it really matters that much, rofl

^This. :shrug:

 

[2KBlackGT]

Besides he drives a dodge

When I figure out what this means I'll address it accordingly :lol1:

 

[rattlesnake3:16]

When I figure out what this means I'll address it accordingly :lol1:

U like slowoke: I meant if u were a chevy fanboy u would most likely drive one but u don't u drive a dodge

 

[2KBlackGT]

U like slowoke: I meant if u were a chevy fanboy u would most likely drive one but u don't u drive a dodge

I like everything really, Mustangs, Camaro, SRT8s, C6 vettes, GTRs. But I'll call a spade a spade anyday.

Who really believes a stock to the tire 03/04 Cobra ran a 12.2? I've been on this site since 05 and it's common knowlege that 12.4 is the best run with actual proof. If I told you my SRT ran mid 12's stock wouldn't you want proof? Yes you would cause it's known these cars run high 12s(rare) to mid 13s depending on the area.

 

[Devil_Z]

U like slowoke: I meant if u were a chevy fanboy u would most likely drive one but u don't u drive a dodge

What a coincidence. You like slow too. oke:

 

[pho_phizzat]

12.2 stock is bushguts

 

[rattlesnake3:16]

I like everything really, Mustangs, Camaro, SRT8s, C6 vettes, GTRs. But I'll call a spade a spade anyday.

Who really believes a stock to the tire 03/04 Cobra ran a 12.2? I've been on this site since 05 and it's common knowlege that 12.4 is the best run with actual proof. If I told you my SRT ran mid 12's stock wouldn't you want proof? Yes you would cause it's known these cars run high 12s(rare) to mid 13s depending on the area.

I like the cars u listed myself (except the camaro because of the owners) I plan on owning a srt8 charger in the future I love those cars.

 

[rattlesnake3:16]

What a coincidence. You like slow too. oke:

Yea real slow and in a few months will be even slower

 

[Sick03Vert]

I like everything really, Mustangs, Camaro, SRT8s, C6 vettes, GTRs. But I'll call a spade a spade anyday.

Who really believes a stock to the tire 03/04 Cobra ran a 12.2? I've been on this site since 05 and it's common knowlege that 12.4 is the best run with actual proof. If I told you my SRT ran mid 12's stock wouldn't you want proof? Yes you would cause it's known these cars run high 12s(rare) to mid 13s depending on the area.

1. The whole argument is pretty much invalid, as you'll never find a stock Cobra anymore. :shrug:

2. If you need proof, and only go off mag times, then sure, Evan Smith has the best time. :shrug: Without tracking down every time slip across the country, I don't think I'd go so far as to say there's no proof out there to be found if one were obsessed enough to search for it....which I, for one, am not.

Honestly, I still don't see the point in arguing .2 or .3 seconds here nor there. If a race is that close, driver error on one of the two cars will make up the difference. :shrug:

In the races I've seen between Terminators and ZL1's, there's a MUCH bigger gap than .2 seconds. And some of those cars aren't all that modded. Besides, how do you know the ZL1 is stock? If you aren't there, then you don't. :shrug:

All I'm going to say is, I've seen plenty of videos of ZL1's getting hammered by Cobras, GT's, etc. and NONE of a ZL1 beating a Cobra, GT, etc. And even if I did, it wouldn't overcome the fact that the ZL1 underperforms for it's cost and supposedly God-like powertrain. :shrug:

10 years and a new platform later, GM's Camaro is STILL behind the Terminators in terms of sheer performance. There's really no debating that.

I'm not a brand loyalist either, as I've owned 2 5th Gen Camaros. One was the 2012 LFX V6 that didn't have enough power to get out of it's own way and NEVER achieved the claimed MPG numbers. The other was a 2012 SS coupe with the L99 automatic. That car ate the drive belt and a/c belt at 2500 miles. Not sure if you know, but the belts on the new Camaros do NOT have tensioners. So when they need replacement, it is a real bitch to get the damn thing off and get the new one on. :cuss::mj:

The GM dealer I worked at replaced both under warranty but gave me crap for abusing the car. I thought that was funny since I drove the car SUPER easy during the break-in period (that the dealer said doesn't exist, yet the owner's manual says does) and never tracked it. Hell, I never really even raced that car because it's in a class of it's own really. It's too fast to race Challenger R/T's, but far too slow to race Mustang GT's.

My ownership with Camaros gave me the following impressions:

1. 6.2L V8's should have A LOT more pull than that. Don't blame the transmission either, as supposedly the auto trans in the SS models is great.

2. The paint quality is shit. Flies left chips in the hood, and I'm not shitting you. You could, I mean this literally, take your fingernail and scratch the paint off the car. LITERALLY. Not to mention there's orange peel throughout the paintjob.

3. Quality sucks. Destroying belts that fast is retarded. I had a $40k car that squealed like a '88 Honda after just 2k miles. Are. You. Serious?

4. The car drank gas like there was no tomorrow, and, of course, it took only premium gas. I didn't buy it for MPG, but the only car I've ever driven that got worse mileage was an '04 GTO with a 4-speed auto. That car almost had to have a tanker follow it around.

5. Fuse pull. Why, oh why, is this necessary? The ECM likes to pull timing if it detects lower level octane fuel. That's fine and all, but once the low octane is gone and the high octane is back, the computer is too stupid to change the octane tables back around. So instead of 400 horsepower (my ass dyno says that car had nowhere near that much in truth), you get around 370 horsepower, which in a car the size of the Titanic is barely enough to move it. The fix? Go under the hood, pull two fuses from the fuse box, and let the car sit overnight. Then, in the morning, put the fuses back in, start the car, and let it learn the new mapping over the next 50 miles. :bored: Now THAT is advanced technology. :nonono:

6. Overpriced. I had a 2003 Mach 1 with intake and exhaust before that car. It felt much faster to my butt dyno. I paid $16k for the Mach with 30k miles on it. I paid $40k for the Camaro SS with 85 miles on it at the time of delivery. There should have been no comparison, but that was not the case.

7. A boat with a blower is still a boat. The Cobra isn't the fastest car out there, but at least it feels genuinely fast. The Camaro had no driver feel to it and was like driving a Crown Vic with a V8. It did NOT feel like a sports car. I'm sorry, but it didn't.

8. Field of vision. Basically, you drive a Camaro like you would drive any other car...if you had your neck in a brace. There's NO visibility out back or to the sides. So the side view mirrors become the single most important feature of the car as they are your only hope of preventing accidents during lane changes. In the Cobra, I have the large back glass and great visibility. When your Camaro needs a backup camera to park correctly, there is a problem.

The one thing I will give the Camaro is I think it looks cool. I'm impressed with how close the designers were able to stay to the original concept car, and it's a love it or hate it look, but I like it. That said, I think GM is on crack for asking $40k+ for SS models. And at $60k+, you should have your head examined for buying a ZL1. You can get a C6Z06, supercharged with plenty of goodies, for that...and it would molest the ZL1 not only in the quarter, but on the autocross, which everyone seems to suddenly think is so important since it's common knowledge the ZL1 falls on its face in straight-line performance.

Anyway, those are just a few reasons why I hate the Camaro and why the ZL1 is an overhyped failure in my opinion.

 

[Devil_Z]

Yea real slow and in a few months will be even slower

Well... 600 isn't much these days to be honest. You mentioned how slow 2k was when he wasn't bothering you so I figured I'd let you know likewise.

 

[pho_phizzat]

1. The whole argument is pretty much invalid, as you'll never find a stock Cobra anymore. :shrug:

2. If you need proof, and only go off mag times, then sure, Evan Smith has the best time. :shrug: Without tracking down every time slip across the country, I don't think I'd go so far as to say there's no proof out there to be found if one were obsessed enough to search for it....which I, for one, am not.

Honestly, I still don't see the point in arguing .2 or .3 seconds here nor there. If a race is that close, driver error on one of the two cars will make up the difference. :shrug:

In the races I've seen between Terminators and ZL1's, there's a MUCH bigger gap than .2 seconds. And some of those cars aren't all that modded. Besides, how do you know the ZL1 is stock? If you aren't there, then you don't. :shrug:

All I'm going to say is, I've seen plenty of videos of ZL1's getting hammered by Cobras, GT's, etc. and NONE of a ZL1 beating a Cobra, GT, etc. And even if I did, it wouldn't overcome the fact that the ZL1 underperforms for it's cost and supposedly God-like powertrain. :shrug:

10 years and a new platform later, GM's Camaro is STILL behind the Terminators in terms of sheer performance. There's really no debating that.

I'm not a brand loyalist either, as I've owned 2 5th Gen Camaros. One was the 2012 LFX V6 that didn't have enough power to get out of it's own way and NEVER achieved the claimed MPG numbers. The other was a 2012 SS coupe with the L99 automatic. That car ate the drive belt and a/c belt at 2500 miles. Not sure if you know, but the belts on the new Camaros do NOT have tensioners. So when they need replacement, it is a real bitch to get the damn thing off and get the new one on. :cuss::mj:

The GM dealer I worked at replaced both under warranty but gave me crap for abusing the car. I thought that was funny since I drove the car SUPER easy during the break-in period (that the dealer said doesn't exist, yet the owner's manual says does) and never tracked it. Hell, I never really even raced that car because it's in a class of it's own really. It's too fast to race Challenger R/T's, but far too slow to race Mustang GT's.

My ownership with Camaros gave me the following impressions:

1. 6.2L V8's should have A LOT more pull than that. Don't blame the transmission either, as supposedly the auto trans in the SS models is great.

2. The paint quality is shit. Flies left chips in the hood, and I'm not shitting you. You could, I mean this literally, take your fingernail and scratch the paint off the car. LITERALLY. Not to mention there's orange peel throughout the paintjob.

3. Quality sucks. Destroying belts that fast is retarded. I had a $40k car that squealed like a '88 Honda after just 2k miles. Are. You. Serious?

4. The car drank gas like there was no tomorrow, and, of course, it took only premium gas. I didn't buy it for MPG, but the only car I've ever driven that got worse mileage was an '04 GTO with a 4-speed auto. That car almost had to have a tanker follow it around.

5. Fuse pull. Why, oh why, is this necessary? The ECM likes to pull timing if it detects lower level octane fuel. That's fine and all, but once the low octane is gone and the high octane is back, the computer is too stupid to change the octane tables back around. So instead of 400 horsepower (my ass dyno says that car had nowhere near that much in truth), you get around 370 horsepower, which in a car the size of the Titanic is barely enough to move it. The fix? Go under the hood, pull two fuses from the fuse box, and let the car sit overnight. Then, in the morning, put the fuses back in, start the car, and let it learn the new mapping over the next 50 miles. :bored: Now THAT is advanced technology. :nonono:

6. Overpriced. I had a 2003 Mach 1 with intake and exhaust before that car. It felt much faster to my butt dyno. I paid $16k for the Mach with 30k miles on it. I paid $40k for the Camaro SS with 85 miles on it at the time of delivery. There should have been no comparison, but that was not the case.

7. A boat with a blower is still a boat. The Cobra isn't the fastest car out there, but at least it feels genuinely fast. The Camaro had no driver feel to it and was like driving a Crown Vic with a V8. It did NOT feel like a sports car. I'm sorry, but it didn't.

8. Field of vision. Basically, you drive a Camaro like you would drive any other car...if you had your neck in a brace. There's NO visibility out back or to the sides. So the side view mirrors become the single most important feature of the car as they are your only hope of preventing accidents during lane changes. In the Cobra, I have the large back glass and great visibility. When your Camaro needs a backup camera to park correctly, there is a problem.

The one thing I will give the Camaro is I think it looks cool. I'm impressed with how close the designers were able to stay to the original concept car, and it's a love it or hate it look, but I like it. That said, I think GM is on crack for asking $40k+ for SS models. And at $60k+, you should have your head examined for buying a ZL1. You can get a C6Z06, supercharged with plenty of goodies, for that...and it would molest the ZL1 not only in the quarter, but on the autocross, which everyone seems to suddenly think is so important since it's common knowledge the ZL1 falls on its face in straight-line performance.

Anyway, those are just a few reasons why I hate the Camaro and why the ZL1 is an overhyped failure in my opinion.

SO what you are trying to say is........

You really like 5th Gens?

 

[2KBlackGT]

1. The whole argument is pretty much invalid, as you'll never find a stock Cobra anymore. :shrug:

2. If you need proof, and only go off mag times, then sure, Evan Smith has the best time. :shrug: Without tracking down every time slip across the country, I don't think I'd go so far as to say there's no proof out there to be found if one were obsessed enough to search for it....which I, for one, am not.

Honestly, I still don't see the point in arguing .2 or .3 seconds here nor there. If a race is that close, driver error on one of the two cars will make up the difference. :shrug:

In the races I've seen between Terminators and ZL1's, there's a MUCH bigger gap than .2 seconds. And some of those cars aren't all that modded. Besides, how do you know the ZL1 is stock? If you aren't there, then you don't. :shrug:

All I'm going to say is, I've seen plenty of videos of ZL1's getting hammered by Cobras, GT's, etc. and NONE of a ZL1 beating a Cobra, GT, etc. And even if I did, it wouldn't overcome the fact that the ZL1 underperforms for it's cost and supposedly God-like powertrain. :shrug:

10 years and a new platform later, GM's Camaro is STILL behind the Terminators in terms of sheer performance. There's really no debating that.

I'm not a brand loyalist either, as I've owned 2 5th Gen Camaros. One was the 2012 LFX V6 that didn't have enough power to get out of it's own way and NEVER achieved the claimed MPG numbers. The other was a 2012 SS coupe with the L99 automatic. That car ate the drive belt and a/c belt at 2500 miles. Not sure if you know, but the belts on the new Camaros do NOT have tensioners. So when they need replacement, it is a real bitch to get the damn thing off and get the new one on. :cuss::mj:

The GM dealer I worked at replaced both under warranty but gave me crap for abusing the car. I thought that was funny since I drove the car SUPER easy during the break-in period (that the dealer said doesn't exist, yet the owner's manual says does) and never tracked it. Hell, I never really even raced that car because it's in a class of it's own really. It's too fast to race Challenger R/T's, but far too slow to race Mustang GT's.

My ownership with Camaros gave me the following impressions:

1. 6.2L V8's should have A LOT more pull than that. Don't blame the transmission either, as supposedly the auto trans in the SS models is great.

2. The paint quality is shit. Flies left chips in the hood, and I'm not shitting you. You could, I mean this literally, take your fingernail and scratch the paint off the car. LITERALLY. Not to mention there's orange peel throughout the paintjob.

3. Quality sucks. Destroying belts that fast is retarded. I had a $40k car that squealed like a '88 Honda after just 2k miles. Are. You. Serious?

4. The car drank gas like there was no tomorrow, and, of course, it took only premium gas. I didn't buy it for MPG, but the only car I've ever driven that got worse mileage was an '04 GTO with a 4-speed auto. That car almost had to have a tanker follow it around.

5. Fuse pull. Why, oh why, is this necessary? The ECM likes to pull timing if it detects lower level octane fuel. That's fine and all, but once the low octane is gone and the high octane is back, the computer is too stupid to change the octane tables back around. So instead of 400 horsepower (my ass dyno says that car had nowhere near that much in truth), you get around 370 horsepower, which in a car the size of the Titanic is barely enough to move it. The fix? Go under the hood, pull two fuses from the fuse box, and let the car sit overnight. Then, in the morning, put the fuses back in, start the car, and let it learn the new mapping over the next 50 miles. :bored: Now THAT is advanced technology. :nonono:

6. Overpriced. I had a 2003 Mach 1 with intake and exhaust before that car. It felt much faster to my butt dyno. I paid $16k for the Mach with 30k miles on it. I paid $40k for the Camaro SS with 85 miles on it at the time of delivery. There should have been no comparison, but that was not the case.

7. A boat with a blower is still a boat. The Cobra isn't the fastest car out there, but at least it feels genuinely fast. The Camaro had no driver feel to it and was like driving a Crown Vic with a V8. It did NOT feel like a sports car. I'm sorry, but it didn't.

8. Field of vision. Basically, you drive a Camaro like you would drive any other car...if you had your neck in a brace. There's NO visibility out back or to the sides. So the side view mirrors become the single most important feature of the car as they are your only hope of preventing accidents during lane changes. In the Cobra, I have the large back glass and great visibility. When your Camaro needs a backup camera to park correctly, there is a problem.

The one thing I will give the Camaro is I think it looks cool. I'm impressed with how close the designers were able to stay to the original concept car, and it's a love it or hate it look, but I like it. That said, I think GM is on crack for asking $40k+ for SS models. And at $60k+, you should have your head examined for buying a ZL1. You can get a C6Z06, supercharged with plenty of goodies, for that...and it would molest the ZL1 not only in the quarter, but on the autocross, which everyone seems to suddenly think is so important since it's common knowledge the ZL1 falls on its face in straight-line performance.

Anyway, those are just a few reasons why I hate the Camaro and why the ZL1 is an overhyped failure in my opinion.

I'm off the ZL1 stuff...in 10 years you think a 12.2 stock run w/proof wouldn't have been posted by now?

 

[rattlesnake3:16]

Well... 600 isn't much these days to be honest. You mentioned how slow 2k was when he wasn't bothering you so I figured I'd let you know likewise.

Lol and u are? U should probably read because I was defending the fact he's not a fan boy. The you like slow part was in fun. Not to mention we had been responding to each other for a bit now. 600rwhp is faster than probably 7 out of 10 cars on the street or more. Either way I don't plan on being 600 for long just another stepping stone but I have other bills and interests I like as well

 

[Sick03Vert]

I'm off the ZL1 stuff...in 10 years you think a 12.2 stock run w/proof wouldn't have been posted by now?

I think it's very possible that it would not be posted if it was done "in the wild" as opposed to by a professional driver. Not everybody pays attention to mag times. I know I don't. :shrug:

Clearly you don't see it happening, so hey....that's cool. I'm just not going to call anything impossible, even if it isn't the norm.

 

[2KBlackGT]

Well... 600 isn't much these days to be honest. You mentioned how slow 2k was when he wasn't bothering you so I figured I'd let you know likewise.

Lol and u are? U should probably read because I was defending the fact he's not a fan boy. The you like slow part was in fun. Not to mention we had been responding to each other for a bit now. 600rwhp is faster than probably 7 out of 10 cars on the street or more. Either way I don't plan on being 600 for long just another stepping stone but I have other bills and interests I like as well

Chill guy's, nothing wrong with a little ribbing. I know rattlesnake wasn't being derogatory towards my boatoke:

 

[Devil_Z]

Lol and u are? U should probably read because I was defending the fact he's not a fan boy. The you like slow part was in fun. Not to mention we had been responding to each other for a bit now. 600rwhp is faster than probably 7 out of 10 cars on the street or more. Either way I don't plan on being 600 for long just another stepping stone but I have other bills and interests I like as well

I don't think I've ever ran into a car randomly with over 600 hp except for some exotics so you may be right there, but in most cities 600 hp is just the tip if you go to where a bunch of cars gather up.

 

[rattlesnake3:16]

1. The whole argument is pretty much invalid, as you'll never find a stock Cobra anymore. :shrug:

2. If you need proof, and only go off mag times, then sure, Evan Smith has the best time. :shrug: Without tracking down every time slip across the country, I don't think I'd go so far as to say there's no proof out there to be found if one were obsessed enough to search for it....which I, for one, am not.

Honestly, I still don't see the point in arguing .2 or .3 seconds here nor there. If a race is that close, driver error on one of the two cars will make up the difference. :shrug:

In the races I've seen between Terminators and ZL1's, there's a MUCH bigger gap than .2 seconds. And some of those cars aren't all that modded. Besides, how do you know the ZL1 is stock? If you aren't there, then you don't. :shrug:

All I'm going to say is, I've seen plenty of videos of ZL1's getting hammered by Cobras, GT's, etc. and NONE of a ZL1 beating a Cobra, GT, etc. And even if I did, it wouldn't overcome the fact that the ZL1 underperforms for it's cost and supposedly God-like powertrain. :shrug:

10 years and a new platform later, GM's Camaro is STILL behind the Terminators in terms of sheer performance. There's really no debating that.

I'm not a brand loyalist either, as I've owned 2 5th Gen Camaros. One was the 2012 LFX V6 that didn't have enough power to get out of it's own way and NEVER achieved the claimed MPG numbers. The other was a 2012 SS coupe with the L99 automatic. That car ate the drive belt and a/c belt at 2500 miles. Not sure if you know, but the belts on the new Camaros do NOT have tensioners. So when they need replacement, it is a real bitch to get the damn thing off and get the new one on. :cuss::mj:

The GM dealer I worked at replaced both under warranty but gave me crap for abusing the car. I thought that was funny since I drove the car SUPER easy during the break-in period (that the dealer said doesn't exist, yet the owner's manual says does) and never tracked it. Hell, I never really even raced that car because it's in a class of it's own really. It's too fast to race Challenger R/T's, but far too slow to race Mustang GT's.

My ownership with Camaros gave me the following impressions:

1. 6.2L V8's should have A LOT more pull than that. Don't blame the transmission either, as supposedly the auto trans in the SS models is great.

2. The paint quality is shit. Flies left chips in the hood, and I'm not shitting you. You could, I mean this literally, take your fingernail and scratch the paint off the car. LITERALLY. Not to mention there's orange peel throughout the paintjob.

3. Quality sucks. Destroying belts that fast is retarded. I had a $40k car that squealed like a '88 Honda after just 2k miles. Are. You. Serious?

4. The car drank gas like there was no tomorrow, and, of course, it took only premium gas. I didn't buy it for MPG, but the only car I've ever driven that got worse mileage was an '04 GTO with a 4-speed auto. That car almost had to have a tanker follow it around.

5. Fuse pull. Why, oh why, is this necessary? The ECM likes to pull timing if it detects lower level octane fuel. That's fine and all, but once the low octane is gone and the high octane is back, the computer is too stupid to change the octane tables back around. So instead of 400 horsepower (my ass dyno says that car had nowhere near that much in truth), you get around 370 horsepower, which in a car the size of the Titanic is barely enough to move it. The fix? Go under the hood, pull two fuses from the fuse box, and let the car sit overnight. Then, in the morning, put the fuses back in, start the car, and let it learn the new mapping over the next 50 miles. :bored: Now THAT is advanced technology. :nonono:

6. Overpriced. I had a 2003 Mach 1 with intake and exhaust before that car. It felt much faster to my butt dyno. I paid $16k for the Mach with 30k miles on it. I paid $40k for the Camaro SS with 85 miles on it at the time of delivery. There should have been no comparison, but that was not the case.

7. A boat with a blower is still a boat. The Cobra isn't the fastest car out there, but at least it feels genuinely fast. The Camaro had no driver feel to it and was like driving a Crown Vic with a V8. It did NOT feel like a sports car. I'm sorry, but it didn't.

8. Field of vision. Basically, you drive a Camaro like you would drive any other car...if you had your neck in a brace. There's NO visibility out back or to the sides. So the side view mirrors become the single most important feature of the car as they are your only hope of preventing accidents during lane changes. In the Cobra, I have the large back glass and great visibility. When your Camaro needs a backup camera to park correctly, there is a problem.

The one thing I will give the Camaro is I think it looks cool. I'm impressed with how close the designers were able to stay to the original concept car, and it's a love it or hate it look, but I like it. That said, I think GM is on crack for asking $40k+ for SS models. And at $60k+, you should have your head examined for buying a ZL1. You can get a C6Z06, supercharged with plenty of goodies, for that...and it would molest the ZL1 not only in the quarter, but on the autocross, which everyone seems to suddenly think is so important since it's common knowledge the ZL1 falls on its face in straight-line performance.

Anyway, those are just a few reasons why I hate the Camaro and why the ZL1 is an overhyped failure in my opinion.

Damn so I guess u don't like the zl1 That's just a wild guess

 

[Devil_Z]

Chill guy's, nothing wrong with a little ribbing. I know rattlesnake wasn't being derogatory towards my boatoke:

Haha... well... being deployed gets pretty boring. Gotta do something to pass the time.

 

[Sick03Vert]

I don't think I've ever ran into a car randomly with over 600 hp except for some exotics so you may be right there, but in most cities 600 hp is just the tip if you go to where a bunch of cars gather up.

That's bc people at meets are full of shit. Every Supra is 1000HP+, every Corvette is 900HP+, and every Cobra is a KB Mammoth. :rollseyes

Then they either don't run, or get molested by cars making 400-500HP and claim traction issues, tune, etc.

I stopped going to meets bc of that crap. "My car makes 1000HP!" Yeah...obviously not tonight it didn't. :bored: