c6z vs 13 5.0

[Black*Death]

Wow this thread turned to shit, lotz of butt hurt in here.

I don't think it is butt hurt as much as bringing 5.0 guys back down to earth.

Claiming a C6Z and 5.0.."like every other race" is a driver's race is wrong.

A driver's race is for 2 equally matched cars with the better driver deciding the outcome.

Doing a half-ass sort of roll race with a teenager in a Z is not a win.

Anyone and everyone knows(should know) a C6Z will kill a bolt-on 5.0 in all races.

 

[QuickC5Z]

I would like to know what track this is thay C6Zs run mid to high 13s everytime the op goes to the track. I didn't call b.s on the story cause anything can happen on the street esp with a bad driver, but the comment about 13 second C6Zs is making me wonder if the op can differentiate the difference between a C6Z and C6, grandsport etc.

 

[40calcobra]

I don't think it is butt hurt as much as bringing 5.0 guys back down to earth.

Claiming a C6Z and 5.0.."like every other race" is a driver's race is wrong.

A driver's race is for 2 equally matched cars with the better driver deciding the outcome.

Doing a half-ass sort of roll race with a teenager in a Z is not a win.

Anyone and everyone knows(should know) a C6Z will kill a bolt-on 5.0 in all races.

This guy^^^ is butt hurt! Haha jk

 

[kcsvt94l]

The funny thing about all these 5.0 guys that get beat up on for posting these stories is it's more often than not Vette guys chiming in. Don't get me wrong, I'm a big fan of c5z and c6z's, but to compare the two cars is apples to oranges. From both a functionality perspective as well as a price point perspective.

I understand it's frustrating to have cars that cost half as much be in the same conversation, that's not the 5.0's fault. Ford hit a home run with this engine, lets give them some credit. The competitive aspect of it is great for all of us, they'll keep putting more and more power in these cars(till the government steps in anyway)

I do hate to break it to you folks weather you're a GM guy, Vette Guy, Terminator Guy, Shelby Guy. Despite what people say or think & bench racing aside, fact of the matter is, You can take a base 5.0 which can be had for about 27-28k brand new, put on 3k-4k worth of bolt-ons (No Power adder, no internal engine work, no weight reduction except for slicks & Skinnies) and High 10's low 11's can and have been of obtained plenty of guys out there running that. If you wanna peek over at the 11-14+ forums you'll see proof of this.

While it may not always beat every c6z, it is absolutely capable of being a worthy opponent. I don't think anyone can deny that fact that for 35k you can have a brand new ~500WHP car is impressive whether you hate Mustangs or not. I think the same can be said of a Shelby owner, you're coming pretty close to bridging the performance gap and saving 15-20k. Granted there are the other options that come into play, leather, nav, ambient lighting, all that jazz. I personally think if you want that shit put it in a daily driver. Not your sports car.

While some of these stories may get old and some may be untrue. Lets not knock the entire platform because of some over zealous bench racers.

 

[Black*Death]

The funny thing about all these 5.0 guys that get beat up on for posting these stories is it's more often than not Vette guys chiming in. Don't get me wrong, I'm a big fan of c5z and c6z's, but to compare the two cars is apples to oranges. From both a functionality perspective as well as a price point perspective.

I understand it's frustrating to have cars that cost half as much be in the same conversation, that's not the 5.0's fault. Ford hit a home run with this engine, lets give them some credit. The competitive aspect of it is great for all of us, they'll keep putting more and more power in these cars(till the government steps in anyway)

I do hate to break it to you folks weather you're a GM guy, Vette Guy, Terminator Guy, Shelby Guy. Despite what people say or think & bench racing aside, fact of the matter is, You can take a base 5.0 which can be had for about 27-28k brand new, put on 3k-4k worth of bolt-ons (No Power adder, no internal engine work, no weight reduction except for slicks & Skinnies) and High 10's low 11's can and have been of obtained plenty of guys out there running that. If you wanna peek over at the 11-14+ forums you'll see proof of this.

While it may not always beat every c6z, it is absolutely capable of being a worthy opponent. I don't think anyone can deny that fact that for 35k you can have a brand new ~500WHP car is impressive whether you hate Mustangs or not. I think the same can be said of a Shelby owner, you're coming pretty close to bridging the performance gap and saving 15-20k. Granted there are the other options that come into play, leather, nav, ambient lighting, all that jazz. I personally think if you want that shit put it in a daily driver. Not your sports car.

While some of these stories may get old and some may be untrue. Lets not knock the entire platform because of some over zealous bench racers.

Not sure if your 35K price includes F/I or just bolt-ons?

I have not heard of anyone making 500 rwhp in a bolt-on coyote, and Nitrous is not a bolt-on.


I agree with a F/I coyote with the proper suspension/tires would be a good run for a lot of C6Z's

But a CAI, Tune and exhaust Coyote is not...400-420 RWHP will not beat a C6Z....maybe hang for a second from a roll but likely crushed from a dig...

 

[BlueSnake01]

You can take a base 5.0 which can be had for about 27-28k brand new, put on 3k-4k worth of bolt-ons (No Power adder, no internal engine work, no weight reduction except for slicks & Skinnies) and High 10's low 11's can and have been of obtained plenty of guys out there running that. If you wanna peek over at the 11-14+ forums you'll see proof of this.

While it may not always beat every c6z, it is absolutely capable of being a worthy opponent. I don't think anyone can deny that fact that for 35k you can have a brand new ~500WHP car is impressive whether you hate Mustangs or not. I think the same can be said of a Shelby owner, you're coming pretty close to bridging the performance gap and saving 15-20k. Granted there are the other options that come into play, leather, nav, ambient lighting, all that jazz. I personally think if you want that shit put it in a daily driver. Not your sports car.

3-4k will make a 5.0 run high 10's with no weight reduction on just bolt ons????? Am I reading this right? :dw::??: Does that include nitrous?

For new Mustang having 500whp for 35k including price of car, you have to remember not everyone or every place will give you the Mustang for 28k or under. Also, 7k for mods is mostly cash and not everyone has 7k to spend on mods right away.
Also getting in the 600whp will be recommended to get internals on a 5.0

 

[Jack Burton]

so why post a non existing race...if it was me i wouldnt of counted that as a kill or a win just my .02

Still a win. It's the street. Not every driver I'd John Force. He beat the driver, which the OP admitted. Not a big deal.

 

[Camaro_94]

The funny thing about all these 5.0 guys that get beat up on for posting these stories is it's more often than not Vette guys chiming in. Don't get me wrong, I'm a big fan of c5z and c6z's, but to compare the two cars is apples to oranges. From both a functionality perspective as well as a price point perspective.

I understand it's frustrating to have cars that cost half as much be in the same conversation, that's not the 5.0's fault. Ford hit a home run with this engine, lets give them some credit. The competitive aspect of it is great for all of us, they'll keep putting more and more power in these cars(till the government steps in anyway)

I do hate to break it to you folks weather you're a GM guy, Vette Guy, Terminator Guy, Shelby Guy. Despite what people say or think & bench racing aside, fact of the matter is, You can take a base 5.0 which can be had for about 27-28k brand new, put on 3k-4k worth of bolt-ons (No Power adder, no internal engine work, no weight reduction except for slicks & Skinnies) and High 10's low 11's can and have been of obtained plenty of guys out there running that. If you wanna peek over at the 11-14+ forums you'll see proof of this.

While it may not always beat every c6z, it is absolutely capable of being a worthy opponent. I don't think anyone can deny that fact that for 35k you can have a brand new ~500WHP car is impressive whether you hate Mustangs or not. I think the same can be said of a Shelby owner, you're coming pretty close to bridging the performance gap and saving 15-20k. Granted there are the other options that come into play, leather, nav, ambient lighting, all that jazz. I personally think if you want that shit put it in a daily driver. Not your sports car.

While some of these stories may get old and some may be untrue. Lets not knock the entire platform because of some over zealous bench racers.

1) I could say the same thing about a fox body. Why spend $30k on a new mustang, when you could build a sick fox and make it run low 9's for that price?

2) A GT500 is a way better all around car. There's more to it than just "leather, lighting and navigation". Try a 630hp car with a factory warranty that will be worth WAY more in the future and isn't going to depreciate as much.

3) a GT500 and Z06 would man handle a 5.0 on the road course and in the handling department

4) quit using ricer logic for your arguments. Because as you can see "#1", if your only goal is to go fast from in the straight line, there are cheaper and better options, by your same logic. "Why spend $30k when I can go faster in a different car for less money... Or why buy a new C6 Z for $75k, when I can buy a mustang for $30k then put another $45k into it?".

Resale value and overall performance.

 

[kcsvt94l]

Not sure if your 35K price includes F/I or just bolt-ons?

I have not heard of anyone making 500 rwhp in a bolt-on coyote, and Nitrous is not a bolt-on.


I agree with a F/I coyote with the proper suspension/tires would be a good run for a lot of C6Z's

But a CAI, Tune and exhaust Coyote is not...400-420 RWHP will not beat a C6Z....maybe hang for a second from a roll but likely crushed from a dig...

47# Injectors, E-85, Cobra Jet Intake, SCJ Monoblade TB, Budget in-efficient CAI, Headers, has Dyno'd for 485 to the wheel. With slicks and skinnies (Which is a form of weight reduction, that I did mention in my reply) Is good for high 10's low 11's. Again plenty of folks are getting into the setup, if you go read the 11-14'+ Forums.

 

[kcsvt94l]

3-4k will make a 5.0 run high 10's with no weight reduction on just bolt ons????? Am I reading this right? :dw::??: Does that include nitrous?

For new Mustang having 500whp for 35k including price of car, you have to remember not everyone or every place will give you the Mustang for 28k or under. Also, 7k for mods is mostly cash and not everyone has 7k to spend on mods right away.
Also getting in the 600whp will be recommended to get internals on a 5.0

See my other previous reply. Plenty of places across the country do invoice pricing on just a plain old GT. 7k?? it can be done for far less. Yes, that is true you'll have to come up with that extra money in cash, I was speaking more in terms of overall investment.

 

[kcsvt94l]

1) I could say the same thing about a fox body. Why spend $30k on a new mustang, when you could build a sick fox and make it run low 9's for that price?

2) A GT500 is a way better all around car. There's more to it than just "leather, lighting, and leather". Try a 630hp car with a factory warranty that will be worth WAY more in the future and isn't going to depreciate as much.

3) a GT500 and Z06 would man handle a 5.0 on the road course and in the handling department

4) quit using ricer logic for your arguments. Because as you can see "#1", if your only goal is to go fast from in the straight line, there are cheaper and better options, by your same logic. "Why spend $30k when I can go faster in a different car for less money... Or why buy a new C6 Z for $75k, when I can buy a mustang for $30k then put another $45k into it?".

Resale value and overall performance.

All of my comments were based upon the OP's post which in this case is straight line performance. If we're talking about lap times it's pretty obvious c6z's and gt500's have the upper hand compared to a base non-brembo 5.0. That should have went without saying.

1.) That is entirely true you can make anything run 8's for far less than 30k. I was comparing New Car for New Car.

2.) I'm well aware of all the pro's to a Shelby I'm not saying it isn't worth the money. Believe me if I wouldn't get divorced I'd trade my car in on a GT500 tomorrow. I said you're getting close to bridging the performance gap.

Furthermore, I'm not saying a c6z isn't worth it either. If you possessed the inherit ability to read between the lines without a picture drawn for you in crayons. I stated "I know it's frustrating when your car is always mentioned in kill stories against a car that costs half as much." We've all been there, we've all had our ass handed to us by a pile of shit that has about 5 grand invested in it, at one time or another & if you haven't you don't race enough. It's not like folks go home and cry about it, but it is frustrating. Just like it's frustrating when you come on a forum and constantly see bolt on 5.0 vs Turbo stretched Busa.

3.) Thanks, Captain Obvious. That isn't the debate, handling performance in corners was never a part of this post until you mentioned it.

4.)Call it what you want. It's quite well documented over on the 11-14+ GT forums. I'm sorry you're too dense to go research the facts yourself. Fact of the matter STILL remains based on the OP's events and the reply's that followed. A bolt-on 5.0 most certainly is a worthy (Straight line) candidate for a stock c6z for half the price.


It just gets old seeing people say "Bolt-On 5.0, that doesn't have a chance." or "Racing a Bolt-On 5.0 is a waste of time." for every "inaccurate" story you read, it's followed with and "inaccurate" response. I just think the platform deserves a little bit of love.

I'm well aware of what the cars capabilities are, It's not going to beat a UGR Lambo, or my aforementioned example of a Turbo'd Busa. Everything I've stated is factual.

Deuces.

 

[Camaro_94]

All of my comments we're based upon the OP's post which in this case is straight line performance. If we're talking about lap times it's pretty obvious c6z's and gt500's have the upper hand compared to a base non-brembo 5.0. That should have went without saying.

1.) That is entirely true you can make anything run 8's for far less than 30k. I was comparing New Car for New Car.

2.) I'm well aware of all the pro's to a Shelby I'm not saying it isn't worth the money. Believe me if I wouldn't get divorced I'd trade my car in on a GT500 tomorrow. I said you're getting close to bridging the performance gap


3.) Thanks, Captain Obvious. That isn't the debate, handling performance in corners was never a part of this post until you mentioned it.

4.)Call it what you want. It's quite well documented over on the 11-14+ GT forums. I'm sorry you're too dense to go research the facts yourself. Fact of the matter STILL remains based on the OP's events and the reply's that followed. A bolt-on 5.0 most certainly is a worthy (Straight line) canidate for a stock c6z for half the price.

Keep telling yourself that. A bolt-on 5.0 isn't a "candidate" for a stock C6 Z in the straight line either. Go race one with an equal driver... And let me know how that works out for you, especially on the highway.

450rwhp stock, better gearing, aerodynamics, lighter, etc.

You might be able to beat the driver, but not the car.

It's not fair to compare a car like the 5.0 to a C6 Z then throw the price into the equation, because you're getting a way better all around car with the C6 Z. Same thing goes with the GT500. There's a reason why they're more expensive. Your theory could be used with anything. You can buy a 5th gen SS and beat a new GT500 or Z06 with less money invested in it too.

I would have loved to race you in my C6 Z when it was stock.

 

[kcsvt94l]

Keep telling yourself that. A bolt-on 5.0 isn't a "candidate" for a stock C6 Z in the straight line either. Go race one with an equal driver... And let me know how that works out for you, especially on the highway.

450rwhp stock, better gearing, aerodynamics, lighter, etc.

You might be able to beat the driver, but not the car.

It's not fair to compare a car like the 5.0 to a C6 Z then throw the price into the equation, because you're getting a way better all around car with the C6 Z. Same thing goes with the GT500. There's a reason why they're more expensive. Your theory could be used with anything. You can buy a 5th gen SS and beat a new GT500 or Z06 with less money invested in it too.

I would have loved to race you in my C6 Z when it was stock.

Close buddy has a c6z that'll eat your artsy fartsy ZR1 for dinner after you pulley and cam it. I'm well aware of what the cars are capable of, I've driven his and multiple others. They're low 11 high 10 cars stock depending on the driver. Multiple NA Coyotes have run low 11's high 10's.

I never claimed my car has the particular combo it takes to achieve that. #1 It's a combo that's been available all of 2-1/2 months. #2 unlike alot of people I want the suspension and wheel tire combo needed to hook 480+ WHP before I start making that kind of power.

Adios!

 

[Dixarect]

Keep telling yourself that. A bolt-on 5.0 isn't a "candidate" for a stock C6 Z in the straight line either. Go race one with an equal driver... And let me know how that works out for you, especially on the highway.

450rwhp stock, better gearing, aerodynamics, lighter, etc.

You might be able to beat the driver, but not the car.

It's not fair to compare a car like the 5.0 to a C6 Z then throw the price into the equation, because you're getting a way better all around car with the C6 Z. Same thing goes with the GT500. There's a reason why they're more expensive. Your theory could be used with anything. You can buy a 5th gen SS and beat a new GT500 or Z06 with less money invested in it too.

I would have loved to race you in my C6 Z when it was stock.

It definitely is a candidate, what are you talking about?

 

[Camaro_94]

Close buddy has a c6z that'll eat your artsy fartsy ZR1 for dinner after you pulley and cam it. I'm well aware of what the cars are capable of, I've driven his and multiple others. They're low 11 high 10 cars stock depending on the driver. Multiple NA Coyotes have run low 11's high 10's.

I never claimed my car has the particular combo it takes to achieve that. #1 It's a combo that's been available all of 2-1/2 months. #2 unlike alot of people I want the suspension and wheel tire combo needed to hook 480+ WHP before I start making that kind of power.

Adios!

Why am I not surprised you would say something like that? Lol

That's a cool story though bro. I'm glad for your friend. He must have a pretty sick car then. Let me guess though... You just need full bolt-ons and a 75 shot to keep up with your friend though, right?

 

[Camaro_94]

It definitely is a candidate, what are you talking about?

A candidate in the fact that its in the race, but that's about it...

 

[Mystic03]

Keep telling yourself that. A bolt-on 5.0 isn't a "candidate" for a stock C6 Z in the straight line either. Go race one with an equal driver... And let me know how that works out for you, especially on the highway.

450rwhp stock, better gearing, aerodynamics, lighter, etc.

You might be able to beat the driver, but not the car.

It's not fair to compare a car like the 5.0 to a C6 Z then throw the price into the equation, because you're getting a way better all around car with the C6 Z. Same thing goes with the GT500. There's a reason why they're more expensive. Your theory could be used with anything. You can buy a 5th gen SS and beat a new GT500 or Z06 with less money invested in it too.

I would have loved to race you in my C6 Z when it was stock.

+1 c6z's are a TOTALLY different kind of animal when compared to a mustang i just dont understand why most try to compare mustangs to the corvette. hell my 650/600 kb cobra on a mustang dyno could barely edge out a heads/cam c6z. like camaro94 said they are better geared,lighter and just as aero than our bricks on wheels

 

[09VistaBlueGT]

Lol threads like this always seem to go in this direction, never gets old. I will say this though: stock vs stock, bolt ons vs bolt ons, with equal drivers, a C6 Z06 will stomp a shithole in new 5.0L everytime

 

[kcsvt94l]

Why am I not surprised you would say something like that? Lol

That's a cool story though bro. I'm glad for your friend. He must have a pretty sick car then. Let me guess though... You just need full bolt-ons and a 75 shot to keep up with your friend though, right?

HA! my car with full bolt-on's, an alluminator, and a Hellion TT kit wouldn't hold a candle to his car.

This has become moot. You clearly have more money than sense and cannot comprehend simple math. Goodbye :bash:

 

[kcsvt94l]

+1 c6z's are a TOTALLY different kind of animal when compared to a mustang i just dont understand why most try to compare mustangs to the corvette. hell my 650/600 kb cobra on a mustang dyno could barely edge out a heads/cam c6z. like camaro94 said they are better geared,lighter and just as aero than our bricks on wheels

Stock vs Stock & modded vs Modded I completely agree.

However, the debate here is Stock C6ZO6 vs Modded 5.0. Again facts are NA 5.0's are capable of the same 1/4 mile times as a stock C6Z.

Find it hilarious people can't grasp that concept.