Did you have any issues with the gasket/windage tray sealing? This is giving me even more confidence thanks. I'm going to find out if it fleas the stock K or not.
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GT500 oil pan compatibility.....
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Did you have any issues with the gasket/windage tray sealing? This is giving me even more confidence thanks. I'm going to find out if it fleas the stock K or not.
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Seals perfect! I had to go this route when a 03 came in with the motor in boxes and the original windage tray was missing. It has been discontinued by Ford and I don't care for the aftermarket trays that need sealant above and below them as they always seem to seep oil no matter how careful you are installing them. So I ordered the GT500 tray/gasket and after a bit of trimming, really think this is a good option for these cars.
Wish I had taken pics of the modded tray.
GL,
Tim
I do to but it's no big deal, I'll be ordering this set from Steve in the AM and will take plenty of pics for those to follow.
I'm going to figure out if the pickup is a viable option, if not i have a new stock pickup on the way.
Steve@Tasca
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I do have the 5.8 pan in stock and ready to ship, just give a call and we'll get it on the way. I have a meeting at 9:00am to about 9:45 but should be available pretty much the rest of the day.
Sounds like Tim has answered the fitment question on the windage tray, Thanks.
-Steve
Sounds like Tim has answered the fitment question on the windage tray, Thanks.
-Steve
Steve@Tasca
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Just got a note back from the builder I know and he said (as we've found already) that thegasket/windage tray will work but he also said that the 5.8 part isn't particularly good as a windage tray on a 4.6 as it's designed to clear the longer stroke of the 5.4/5.8.
-Steve
-Steve
That makes since but since its a full tray It should be still better than the oem half tray correct? I have a canton windage tray right now i just am hesitant to use it due to all the leaks there known for......
Might not be optimal, but the GT500 tray covers the whole length of the crank vs the 03 Cobra steel tray that only covers 75%. And since the Cobra tray is not available from Ford (per my sources) it still makes a decent option.:beer:
Steve@Tasca
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Correct and he actually just sent me a second e-mail with that exact same thought.
It's better than nothing for sure and likely better overall than the stock one was.
-Steve
Troy
Not sure how much larger the throws and counter weights are on the 5.8 crank compared to the 4.6 but it is .300" at a very minimum. The 4.6 crank won't snuggle up as close to the tray but is will still keep the oil off the rotating assembly so I would not be overly concerned here. I wonder if Ford makes this style tray for the Aluminator? That might be a better option if it exists.
Out of curiosity I pulled both the stock Cobra and the Canton pan and put them side-by-side and thinking about possible clearance issues and realized doing this with the Trinity pan you should immediately identify with 75% certainty if your going to have any clearance problems with the K-member and the steering rack.
Line-up the Trinity pan along side a 4.6 pan then look across the side profiles of both pans to see if the 5.8 pan exceeds the profile of the Cobra pan.
You can use some clay in the bottom of the sump to determine how far the pick-up is off the floor of the pan which should be 3/8 - 1/2" by assembling the pan with the pick-up installed measuring the impression left in the clay.
Looks like your breaking new ground here should be interesting :rockon:
Not sure how much larger the throws and counter weights are on the 5.8 crank compared to the 4.6 but it is .300" at a very minimum. The 4.6 crank won't snuggle up as close to the tray but is will still keep the oil off the rotating assembly so I would not be overly concerned here. I wonder if Ford makes this style tray for the Aluminator? That might be a better option if it exists.
Out of curiosity I pulled both the stock Cobra and the Canton pan and put them side-by-side and thinking about possible clearance issues and realized doing this with the Trinity pan you should immediately identify with 75% certainty if your going to have any clearance problems with the K-member and the steering rack.
Line-up the Trinity pan along side a 4.6 pan then look across the side profiles of both pans to see if the 5.8 pan exceeds the profile of the Cobra pan.
You can use some clay in the bottom of the sump to determine how far the pick-up is off the floor of the pan which should be 3/8 - 1/2" by assembling the pan with the pick-up installed measuring the impression left in the clay.
Looks like your breaking new ground here should be interesting :rockon:
Interesting project. Subbing to see how it goes. I was thinking if anything I'd be putting on a smaller pan so I only have to do 5 quart oil changes. Then all I need is a 5 quart jug and I'm set lol :rolling:
Malcolm
You actually want to add capacity to the oil sump. I've added 3 quarts to my system with a remote oil filter and cooler alone but that doesn't mean jack if it's not in the pan and the pick-up momentarily is starved for oil during high rpm's and under high G's. A friend of mine vented 2 blown alcohol 426 hemi blocks until he realized 12 quarts weren't enough :nonono:
The oil tends to get whipped-up by the spinning mechanicals and "floats" around inside the engine as well as getting trapped in the heads and doesn't return to the pan fast enough not keeping up with the pump.............BOOM! I would be nervous having on 5 quarts in this engine.
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Yeah I know. Was just a joke, I wouldn't actually reduce the capacity for real. It would just be handy with oil changes is all 
On a side note how's this for hardly any oil. My turbo'd Honda is a 1.6 liter on E85 around 20 ~ 22 PSI makes over 400 whp and revving past 7K RPMs and has 3.5 quart capacity fully filled. When it's a quart low I check it and I'm running on 2.5 quarts :dw: Amazing it lives.
On a side note how's this for hardly any oil. My turbo'd Honda is a 1.6 liter on E85 around 20 ~ 22 PSI makes over 400 whp and revving past 7K RPMs and has 3.5 quart capacity fully filled. When it's a quart low I check it and I'm running on 2.5 quarts :dw: Amazing it lives.
3 1/2 quarts
Your Honda is nothing more than a glorified Hayabusa engine LOL "more" is better than "less" with regard to this topic. Here's another way of looking at it: 10 quarts of oil in theory will hold-up twice as long as 5 quarts having to do twice the work. Now you only have to change it half as often :lol1:
Malcom, it will be a small fun little project to tackle over the next week or so. With Russ's engineering feedback i think I should be able to get it figured out quick.
MMR says that the oil pan requires a aftermarket K-member to fit but we shall see.....
Russ,
thanks for the pics of the two oil pans, I'll will take pics of the oem oil pan and pick up tube side by side as soon as I receive them.
MMR says that the oil pan requires a aftermarket K-member to fit but we shall see.....
Russ,
thanks for the pics of the two oil pans, I'll will take pics of the oem oil pan and pick up tube side by side as soon as I receive them.
No problem Troy
If there is interference with the K-member as long as the bottom of the sump is not affected which is doubtful, clearance mods can easily be made. I'm considering kicking out the sides like the Canton pan using 3/16" 6061 sheet and windowing the sides of the sump with a couple to trap doors to control oil migration. That will add another quart or 2 and will also ensures the bottom of the sump won't crack like a casting will should something strike it. I can form that up in an evening and get it welded the next day. I enjoy this stuff and this is just more candy
Hopefully you don't discover a "show stopper" when you receive your pan.The 5.8 pick-up tube looks like it was formed a little nicer then stock Cobra tube but neither are mandrel bent
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Not a place you wanna kink :nonono:
Fixed!
A little oil pan inspiration for you. A few years ago I took the entire 302 AWD drive train out of an Explorer and made a full time AWD 302 Ranger. Oil pan to cross member interference.
After some figuring out this had to go
Then mocked this up to seal it
Point is if you really want that oil pan in the car you'll make it fit There's always a way. Keep us posted.
After some figuring out this had to go
Then mocked this up to seal it
Point is if you really want that oil pan in the car you'll make it fit
There's always a way. Keep us posted.Malcom that is inspiring. I'm not set on "making this fit" I'm just looking for a cheaper alternate for a deep sump pan without leaking issues for fellow SVT owners. If it works with little to no modding then I think there would be other interested. I would have done the leg work for others. If this doesn't work I'll be throwing my stock pan and canton windage tray on.
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