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The first line on the bill of sale...INVOICE - $2x,xxx

Can this amount be marked up by the dealer?

Edit: Basically I'm asking if Dealers are using TRUE invoice on the Ford (_) plans
 
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The first line on the bill of sale...INVOICE - $2x,xxx

Can this amount be marked up by the dealer?

Edit: Basically I'm asking if Dealers are using TRUE invoice on the Ford (_) plans
Yes, they should be using true invoice.
 

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Been said a million times but will say it again, great thread Nick! Instant bookmark incase it isnt a sticky.

So does this mean we can buy cars from you and get them ship to a local dealer or how does that work? Apologize if that’s been asked already. Should’ve waited half a year before jumping on a new Explorer, im sure this would’ve helped a lot.
 

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Been said a million times but will say it again, great thread Nick! Instant bookmark incase it isnt a sticky.

So does this mean we can buy cars from you and get them ship to a local dealer or how does that work? Apologize if that’s been asked already. Should’ve waited half a year before jumping on a new Explorer, im sure this would’ve helped a lot.

I am not an authorized vendor on the forum, yet. I would suggest you contact one of the authorized dealers on the forum before reaching out to me.

I appreciate the kind words though.
 

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I am not an authorized vendor on the forum, yet. I would suggest you contact one of the authorized dealers on the forum before reaching out to me.

I appreciate the kind words though.
Went over my head after I read that in the 1st page haha my bad!
 

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Several times in the past I ordered a car through dealer in Oregon. Saving the huge 9% California sales tax as long as I do not bring the car into California before it has the required number of miles on it.
Enabling me to avoid that tax and register it as used.

Do dealers have any problems with these types of tax avoidance schemes? It's frowned upon in California but if you cross every "t" and dot every "i" they have to allow it. Last car I did it on saved me $5245 in fees and taxes.
 

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Several times in the past I ordered a car through dealer in Oregon. Saving the huge 9% California sales tax as long as I do not bring the car into California before it has the required number of miles on it.
Enabling me to avoid that tax and register it as used.

Do dealers have any problems with these types of tax avoidance schemes? It's frowned upon in California but if you cross every "t" and dot every "i" they have to allow it. Last car I did it on saved me $5245 in fees and taxes.

Dealers don't care as long as you register it within the correct amount of time.

Failure to register by the deadline causes the manufacturer to charge back the entire rebate to the dealer.
 

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Whats the cheapest you've seen/sold a S550 GT Prem sell for?
I'm wanting to say mid $30s, if you'd like I can look when I get in today.

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I'm wanting to say mid $30s, if you'd like I can look when I get in today.

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No, don't sweat it. I was just curious what the bottom dollar on these cars are. I've been eye balling used and am trying to compare the used market at the moment.
 

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Thanks for the thread Nick, I appreciate your work.
Not a problem. I don't mind helping out forum members. In fact, I sold 4 vehicles to members, and purchased another this month.

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Is KBB private sell or trade in close enough for good measure.

Wife and I looking at selling 2009 Honda ex 4 door with moon roof. In good condition about 144k miles.
 

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Is KBB private sell or trade in close enough for good measure.

Wife and I looking at selling 2009 Honda ex 4 door with moon roof. In good condition about 144k miles.

It just depends. Cars with over 125k miles I wholesale. It never fails, as soon as I try to retail one, something breaks within a week then I'm stuck with the bill.
 

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Do most dealerships still have a fleet department?

I used to buy all my Ford's from a friend from High School that was the fleet manager. I went in and ordered whatever I wanted exactly as I wanted it. He would give me the actual cost plus $200.00, less whatever discounts Ford was offering at the time. It was the least stressful way to buy a car I have ever found.
Then the dealership was bought by a bigger dealer a few miles away and shut down. So no more friend in the fleet department.

Can I walk into another dealer and are they likely to give me the same or similar deal?
 

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Can I walk into another dealer and are they likely to give me the same or similar deal?

What you're saying is not technically a fleet transaction. He might have been the head of their fleet department, but he would sell you vehicles as retail sales; unless you have a Ford Motor Company fleet code.

I'm not sure how it is California, because you guys are all weird, but yeah, you can typically buy new vehicles within a couple hundred dollars of cost minus all the factory incentives.
 

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Without going into actual numbers, has the dealers profit margin per vehicle been increasing as the MSRP's have been going up?

I was just curious if the increases have been shared by the dealer and manufacturer or just mostly the manufacturer.

I work for a tier-1 supplier so I see that our prices for components to the OEM's is LESS than 10 years ago, so we don't see any of it.

With Super Dutys hitting $80k Somebody is getting paid...
 

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Without going into actual numbers, has the dealers profit margin per vehicle been increasing as the MSRP's have been going up?

I was just curious if the increases have been shared by the dealer and manufacturer or just mostly the manufacturer.

I work for a tier-1 supplier so I see that our prices for components to the OEM's is LESS than 10 years ago, so we don't see any of it.

With Super Dutys hitting $80k Somebody is getting paid...
Profit margins are at an all time low.

Just because the price of something goes up, doesn't mean profits do.

The new Super Dutys are a great example. With all the changes, Ford has spent a ton of money on R&D, then of course the price has to increase in order for their to be any type of profit left.

Not sure what page it's on, but new car profit margins are between 1 and 3% depending on the brand.

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The "DOC" fee is mandatory so we are told?Your thoughts on that fee?As a consumer I would rather do a deal up front and pay what you need to seal the deal,rather than see line items on the contract that seem predatory.
 

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