I need your help: What should I get 99-04 GT SOHC or S197 3v???

[Branhammer]

You could go with a 2010. Same look as the 2011-2012 but still has the 3v.

 

[CobraBob]

As a daily driver, the answer is simple. S197. Key words.....DAILY Driver. If you really, really prefer the New Edge look and just don't like the look of the S197, then you probably should go New Edge. But really, for a daily driver the S197 is going to be much more comfortable and solid. JMO.

 

[mc01svt]

2v New Edge:
Pros
Timeless looks. I really like the look of the 99-04 Mustang.
No one expects a 2v to run good. I can do HCI and be around 360rwhp plus nitrous.

it will not be easy to build a NA pump gas 2v to get into the 360rwhp, especially an engine built for DD duties which means you need it to run on 91 octane plus a mild cam that will hold idle and not have any vacuum issues.

anyone that tries to build a high-po 4.6L NA 2v is smoking dope. Waste of $$$, time and effort. Even if you pulled it off you would still get abused by bolt on ls1s.

 

[Stopsign32v]

it will not be easy to build a NA pump gas 2v to get into the 360rwhp, especially an engine built for DD duties which means you need it to run on 91 octane plus a mild cam that will hold idle and not have any vacuum issues.

anyone that tries to build a high-po 4.6L NA 2v is smoking dope. Waste of $$$, time and effort. Even if you pulled it off you would still get abused by bolt on ls1s.

I think a 360rwhp 2v would be quite easy to built personally.

And lol @ bolt on LS1s abusing it. You silly man

 

[DHG1078]

Personally I believe the New Edge looks better than the 3Vs up to the 2010s. The 2Vs sound better than the 4Vs. The issue is the TFS heads are expensive. If I were building a 2V I would build a Teksid Block, TFS heads, custom cams, the TFS Intake, and either a Centri or turbo.


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Thats what i'm planning on doing with mine when my wife graduates. Except i'm going to keep my bullitt intake.

I think a 360rwhp 2v would be quite easy to built personally.

And lol @ bolt on LS1s abusing it. You silly man

360 rwhp isn't super easy NA. Far easier and cheaper to just put a centri kit on it and call it a day, and have more hp.

 

[Grabber]

FWIW recent thread on a built 2V using STD numbers.

https://www.svtperformance.com/forums/threads/2002-mustang-gt-2v-na-dyno-numbers.1033024/

A 3V with cams and bolt-ons tend to hit 340-350 RWHP N/A SAE, add heads, E85, closer to 375 RWHP.

Smoother ride in the 3V, better axles, updated chassis, mod for mod will respond better than the 2V and typically run a tad faster with equal drivers.

 

[Stopsign32v]

360 rwhp isn't super easy NA. Far easier and cheaper to just put a centri kit on it and call it a day, and have more hp.

Been down the centri road before. This time it will be 95% NA 5% Nitrous.

 

[Stopsign32v]

FWIW recent thread on a built 2V using STD numbers.

https://www.svtperformance.com/forums/threads/2002-mustang-gt-2v-na-dyno-numbers.1033024/

A 3V with cams and bolt-ons tend to hit 340-350 RWHP N/A SAE, add heads, E85, closer to 375 RWHP.

Smoother ride in the 3V, better axles, updated chassis, mod for mod will respond better than the 2V and typically run a tad faster with equal drivers.

I couldn't find many NA 3v 1/4th videos. Have any been 11s with cams only or even stock cams?

Not really digging the 2005 body style or the sound they make. 2v might be slow but it sure sounds like a traditional Mustang.

 

[mc01svt]

I think a 360rwhp 2v would be quite easy to built personally.

And lol @ bolt on LS1s abusing it. You silly man

what type of drugs are you on so i can get some?

Stock terminator is 370rwhp with a blower @ 8psi and 4v heads.

The simple fact is by the time you buy trick flow heads, intake manifold, port work, cams and high compression pistons you will have spent alot more than a vortech kit cost. And at the end of the day you will still have less hp, less torque and worst driveability.

Which is exactly why no one waste time building NA 2Vs.

Not knocking it just telling it like it is.

 

[DHG1078]

The sound out of a 2V, and styling, is probably the only reason I would pick one over a 3v. They just sound amazing. I probably would never consider a 2005-2010, despite the chassis and interior improvements.

 

[Grabber]

I couldn't find many NA 3v 1/4th videos. Have any been 11s with cams only or even stock cams?

Not really digging the 2005 body style or the sound they make. 2v might be slow but it sure sounds like a traditional Mustang.

There are a number of them with weight reduction, cams + boltons running high 11's. Crazier setups with ported heads, 400-600LBS of weight out of the car tend to see bottom 11's / high 10's, but, are hardly streetable cars.

 

[Stopsign32v]

what type of drugs are you on so i can get some?

Stock terminator is 370rwhp with a blower @ 8psi and 4v heads.

The simple fact is by the time you buy trick flow heads, intake manifold, port work, cams and high compression pistons you will have spent alot more than a vortech kit cost. And at the end of the day you will still have less hp, less torque and worst driveability.

Which is exactly why no one waste time building NA 2Vs.

Not knocking it just telling it like it is.

What part are you having difficulty understanding so I can better help you out? The 360rwhp part or the not losing to bolt on LS1 part?

 

[DHG1078]

What part are you having difficulty understanding so I can better help you out? The 360rwhp part or the not losing to bolt on LS1 part?

its the street-able 360 NA RWHP part. Especially on a performance per dollar metric.

 

[Stopsign32v]

its the street-able 360 NA RWHP part. Especially on a performance per dollar metric.

I don't really care about the performance per dollar. If that was the case I'd have a 1985 4 cylinder with a carbed 410w and nitrous.

Plus if I do go blower or something in the future, a good N/A setup will make it that much better.

 

[jaxbusa]

What exactly is your point if you don't mind me asking

My point was that you asked about a daily driver and two people come on to save their car's honor by showing you cars that they dropped more money in than they are worth. You talk about a daily driver with nitrous and I am here to tell you a 2 valve is a dog. Even if you give it a hundred shot, you will still get beat by most, if not all, newer cars. You will want to go newer if you can. I love the new edge. I have one and I am telling you from experience.

it will not be easy to build a NA pump gas 2v to get into the 360rwhp, especially an engine built for DD duties which means you need it to run on 91 octane plus a mild cam that will hold idle and not have any vacuum issues.

anyone that tries to build a high-po 4.6L NA 2v is smoking dope. Waste of $$$, time and effort. Even if you pulled it off you would still get abused by bolt on ls1s.

This guy gets it.


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[Stopsign32v]

Jaxbusa what is done to your 2v that has you hating it so much?

 

[jaxbusa]

Thats what i'm planning on doing with mine when my wife graduates. Except i'm going to keep my bullitt intake.



360 rwhp isn't super easy NA. Far easier and cheaper to just put a centri kit on it and call it a day, and have more hp.

I am with you on that. I have a TI trim I am going to put on when I move. The problem I'm having is what to do when the motor goes. I am really hoping someone will come out with a coyote front accessory kit for a vortech that allows me everything I have. I thought about the 4 valve swap but I feel like I need to keep my bullitt intake. Who knows, I might end up with the trick flow heads. I am worried about drivability.


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[mc01svt]

I couldn't find many NA 3v 1/4th videos. Have any been 11s with cams only or even stock cams?

Not really digging the 2005 body style or the sound they make. 2v might be slow but it sure sounds like a traditional Mustang.

I don't really care about the performance per dollar. If that was the case I'd have a 1985 4 cylinder with a carbed 410w and nitrous.

Plus if I do go blower or something in the future, a good N/A setup will make it that much better.

since you prefer the "time less" looks of the new edge but still want big performance out of a 2v might i suggest an LS3 swap?

Building 2v NA modular is the equivalent of growing wheat and vegetables in your backyard then using them to make a pizza from scratch when you could have just paid papa johns $10 to make one and deliver it to your front door. LOL

 

[jaxbusa]

Jaxbusa what is done to your 2v that has you hating it so much?

I am finding this really amusing. All jokes aside, they're slow. I haven't won a race with it. I was out of the mustang game for awhile and wanted back in. I, like most, was on a budget. My father in law was selling his bullitt and gave me a deal on it. It has gears and exhaust. I think I ran a 14.5 at the track. I really like it, but I am not blind to its limitations.


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[Stopsign32v]

since you prefer the "time less" looks of the new edge but still want big performance out of a 2v might i suggest an LS3 swap?

Building 2v NA modular is the equivalent of growing wheat and vegetables in your backyard then using them to make a pizza from scratch when you could have just paid papa johns $10 to make one and deliver it to your front door. LOL

Then I'd have a Mustang that sounded like a S10 pickup truck. Everyone loses then!