It's an official time of the 2009 ACR, which by the way is no slouch. It doesn't matter if it's the new or 2009 model, it's valid. Just like the comparisons to the ZR1. IF that's you're opinion, fine, but the facts are the facts.
ZL1 1LE Runs 7.16 @ Ring
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It's an official time of the 2009 ACR, which by the way is no slouch. It doesn't matter if it's the new or 2009 model, it's valid. Just like the comparisons to the ZR1. IF that's you're opinion, fine, but the facts are the facts.
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I'll call bs. Let's see all those cars purchased from a dealer run. Then we can say true or false.
Ford is sitting back and taking everything in. They have been on top secret mode with the GT500. If I were GM and Dodge, I would be nervous. Sometimes it's better to be a counter puncher.
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like ALL ring times these mean dick really. ive spend the last decade running track days off and on with S197 chassis mustangs. my 5.0, with a meager 430whp and Chinese BC coilers was a lot of car to handle. NONE of you will be able to come within 3-4 MINS of that time on the ring, or probably any track.
any one with seat time on a track will tell you a car that is fun and "easy" to drive fast is the one you want to on track with. thats probably why i never saw a camaro at the track running with us. there is always a faster car, always, thats doesn't mean its a better car. period.
bragging about times on a track you've never run, in a car you don't own is pretty funny.
any one with seat time on a track will tell you a car that is fun and "easy" to drive fast is the one you want to on track with. thats probably why i never saw a camaro at the track running with us. there is always a faster car, always, thats doesn't mean its a better car. period.
bragging about times on a track you've never run, in a car you don't own is pretty funny.
Bravo!
What part is laugh out loud?
new camaros are crafted by god and can not possibly be bested, so therefor your statement is funny
Look up the details of that run. The SRT team was only on the track for a half day and made 6 total runs. Given more time to fine tune the car for that track and I'm sure they would have ran faster still.
The fact that they brought the same spec car out a year later with more prep time and the data from the 2009 run to start with and managed a run that was 10 seconds faster only gives strength to that hypothesis.
Use that 2009 run to make the ZL1 sound better if you really want, but the data is there to show that 2009 run wasn't everything that ACR had in it by a long shot.
This is so very true. I got to drive both my GT500 and my Fiesta ST at the Ring last year, but was reluctant to push the Shelby very hard due to fear of balling it up into an Armco barrier. I did hit close to 160MPH just past the gantry. What a rush!
What the hell are you talking about? Skew the runs all you want and throw this thread off topic, but the FACT remains, those are the numbers recorded for that car. And you can cherry pick ONE car listed to attempt to make whatever point you believe you're trying to make. What you are doing is ASSuming and giving an opinion, which are not based on facts.
And just to correct you; I don't need to make the new ZL1 look good, I think the numbers speak for itself. Take a look at the LONG list of cars it is apparently faster than. Much more cars on that list you could probably "dig" into and make further assumption or skew the results.
Point is, base your conclusions on facts which are given, not "what could be".
@ZYBORG You can count on that! I am surprised beetle juice hasn't shown up in this thread yet. The 350Rs namesake has been invoked more than 3 times.
Wow... I really struck a nerve with you, eh?
Only point I made was that even with how impressive the new ZL1 1LE is, it is not really quicker than the 4th gen ACR. No need to get emotional about it.
Which was cited from Hosepower Kings; a bullshit clickbait website.
There was an explanation by Jamal Hameedi many years ago on SVTP why Ford chose not to release ring times.
Here it is:
Ring times! Oh man don't even get me started on this topic. Our (my) view is that there is no such thing as an official manufacturer Ring time. The times being posted by many manufacturers are in my humble opinion akin to qualifying times being set at a race with no pre/post inspection (ie it would never happen). In the racing world - inspection/verification is a key part of the sport. In order for us to set an "official" time corner weights would have to be taken, calibration checksums need to be verified, engine power verified via chassis rolls, a hoist inspection, and probably a fuel sample taken by an independent 3rd party like a governing/sanctioning body. I would love to see this since everyone seems to be infatuated with Ring times. Having said that, I think it's really important that performance cars be judged against one another on the track - but the comparisons really need to be on the same day by a professional driver (just track condition from day to day puts another huge variable in comparisons). We have seen lap time spreads of over 3 sec with same car same driver different day at VIR. Now extrapolate that to a track with a 7 min lap time. Motor Trend collects cars on the same day and puts a professional driver behind the wheel - not journalists whose driving ability puts yet another huge variable in lap times - and compares vehicles same driver same day. I think they do it correctly. So does Auto Motor und Sport in Germany.
The reason we test at the Ring is because it is a fantastic venue for doing vehicle dynamics work. You get so much different content in terms of turns, elevation, etc that you would need to visit 5 different tracks to duplicate it. It's also a chance for our North American vehicle dynamics guys to cross pollinate with our Team RS guys since we are all one group now. Team RS gets a chance to offer feedback on the RWD cars and the SVT guys offer perspective on the FWD cars. That's really powerful and worth spending the money to send cars and engineers over there. Renting the Ring exclusively ($$$$$!) to make a video - not so much. I'd rather put that money into the car.
I know this isn't what the internet bench racers want to hear. As soon as there is a standard for measuring lap times - our performance vehicles will be the first in line to get tested. Until then - it's just marketing and a total free for all. They are very cool to watch though. Lol. The 2013/2014 GT500 sold just fine without a published Ring time (who could have imagined!). Actually we spent a lot of time trying to figure out how to make more GT500s due to high demand. I've seen other performance cars with published Ring times being offered with incentives and cash on the hood (again - who could have imagined!). So I sleep pretty well at night. And spend my days (and nights) working on the next slayer vs. worrying about Ring times.
Hopefully this gives you some perspective on where our minds are at wrt Ring times.
See you at SEMA!
Jamal
https://www.svtperformance.com/foru...ion-of-the-2013-gt500-the-nürburgring.979210/
It's just a video for entertainment and marketing. Don't take it as gospel. Every time an OEM publishes marketing material, you should take it with a grain of salt and skepticism. Things are embellished up to what's legally allowable. This goes for all makers too. They all do it.
From what I read on these thread topics, some of you must not be able to sleep at night over this.
From what I read on these thread topics, some of you must not be able to sleep at night over this.
Yes, it ran a 7:29.60 with the 10speed auto version for the 2017 ZL1. GM said the A10 provided the faster of the times for the '17s from M6 and A10.
It also topped at 181 on the back straight where 173 for the 1LE variant (not surprising due to aero, tires and gearing). The 173 was in 6th gear and OD, the 10speed has 6 race gears, then a 1:1 and then 2 OD gears additionally to play with for speeds.
I daily a 06 b2300. Id imagine it cant be worse. If it is, i retract my statement sir haha. I feel like i will lose control when i go over rough areas.
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