Intercooler pump again

[Robert M]

I have a vmp triple pass he with fans, a moroso combination coolant/he tank and a 13/14 pump. Over 997whp thru an auto trans under 115 iat2 on a dyno pull, under 130iat2 on a 150mph quarter mile pass at 22.5 psi. No ice just run pump n fans between passes. I did notice some aeration when switching to the bigger pump but it was easily cured by upping the water level of the tank.

It would be interesting to put a go-pro at the liquid level just outside that I/C reservoir and see what the fluid does when you are putting the 997whp to work in a 1/4 mile sprint. I'll bet the fluid is forced to the back of the tank and there is no telling what is happening with the air (also in that tank)?


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[RedVenom48]

What size is the stock intercooler hose? Im thinking i could easily make a bypass style hose for less thayn the $300 Ford wants for the Trinity version

*edit* the ID is 3/4". I have the VMP triple pass HE kit and have relocated my pump. Ill have to make a custom bypass hose assembly.

I was going to try and find an "ice tank" style intercooler reservoir, but upgrading the I/C pump to a higher flowing, more reliable design will be the route I take.

 

[genesmob]

It would be interesting to put a go-pro at the liquid level just outside that I/C reservoir and see what the fluid does when you are putting the 997whp to work in a 1/4 mile sprint. I'll bet the fluid is forced to the back of the tank and there is no telling what is happening with the air (also in that tank)?


R

It is an aluminum tank. I know that with lower fluid levels the water would look aerated looking from the cap. With a higher level (3/4" from top) the water is clear even after a pass.

 

[RedVenom48]

Tob had a really good post about this with several heavy hitters in the GT500 community chiming in.

https://www.svtperformance.com/forums/threads/gt500-ic-he-pump-comparison.1013908/

 

[Robert M]

What size is the stock intercooler hose? Im thinking i could easily make a bypass style hose for less thayn the $300 Ford wants for the Trinity version

*edit* the ID is 3/4". I have the VMP triple pass HE kit and have relocated my pump. Ill have to make a custom bypass hose assembly.

I was going to try and find an "ice tank" style intercooler reservoir, but upgrading the I/C pump to a higher flowing, more reliable design will be the route I take.

When building the custom reservoir bypass hose, remember the restrictor that is in the path that goes toward the reservoir. I'm sure that was designed that way by the SVT engineers for a reason, they wanted to direct the primary flow past the tank/air and limit the flow to/through the tank to minimal fluid flow and mainly degas function.



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[klb2sweet]

Does that Bosch pump work with the 09 system as a plug and play unit? I really want to upgrade that pump since I'm down here in SC. I run a VMP intercooler with upgraded tank and see IAT temps closing in on 30 over just cruising around

 

[Robert M]

Does that Bosch pump work with the 09 system as a plug and play unit? I really want to upgrade that pump since I'm down here in SC. I run a VMP intercooler with upgraded tank and see IAT temps closing in on 30 over just cruising around

Is the Bosch pump shown in post #15 an upgrade in GPM flow? or just an upgrade from brushes to brushless?


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[klb2sweet]

Yeah I guess the stock pump only flows @4gpm so I'm wondering the flow rate of the Bosch myself

 

[Robert M]

Yeah I guess the stock pump only flows @4gpm so I'm wondering the flow rate of the Bosch myself

That is what I was wondering, since the original 2007-2012 pump is also Bosch, is there an upgrade in GPM when installing the newer Bosch? The 2013/14 GT500 pump is 6.5gpm, if I remember correctly, so it is definitely an upgrade in GPM and also getting away from motor brushes which seem to be an issue with the original Bosch pump.


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[Robert M]

I dug through my picture archive related to the unique 2013/14 I/C plumbing and found a picture I took of the unique bypass hose...........

The picture below has a small arrow pointing to a black clamp, that black clamp is holding a restrictor in place inside of the hose.........

Here is a picture I grabbed from the internet showing the bypass hose and oem small I/C reservoir........

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[genesmob]

The 13/14 pump visibly flows more than the 07 pump I had. You will need an adapter plug to use it. I use the moroso "The Tank" resevoir so I can pack ice but I dont. I dont think you can use cruising iat2 data because the bypass is open.

 

[RedVenom48]

I still have to think that the 90° T fitting at the end of the hose leading into the 13-14 stock pump location is a flow restriction. I have my 07-12 punp relocated to the left headlight position via the VMP triple pass heat exchanger kit. Ill have to take pics of the install when it happens, but i was thinking of a T fitting to the degas tank for a makeshift flow reducer, then a Y fitting to the new pump after the degas tank for maximum flow.

 

[klb2sweet]

Yeah that is how I mounted as well on my VMP

 

[Robert M]

The 13/14 pump visibly flows more than the 07 pump I had. You will need an adapter plug to use it. I use the moroso "The Tank" resevoir so I can pack ice but I dont. I dont think you can use cruising iat2 data because the bypass is open.

This is the short harness that attaches to the 2013/14 pump and then clips to the oem 2013/14 mounting bracket.

Below is the oem 2013/14 3-pigtail harness that includes the 2013/14 pump 12V feed.......

The oem 2013/14 weather plugs connected pigtail and harness........

My plan is to use the VMP 2007-2012 pump relocation harness as an "extension cord", plug it in at my 2008 oem pump 12V power location, then I will cut the 2007-2012 pump connection off of the VMP harness and solder/heat shrink the 2013/14 end on and it will be a plug and play and look oem.

The wire colors are different between the 2008 and the 2013, I have the 2008 and 2013 Ford shop manual wiring schematics of the I/C pump for correct 12V and ground connections between the two harnesses so there is no questioning which wire connects to the other.

I think I have about $20 in those two Ford harnesses.



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[merkyworks]

My plan is to use the VMP 2007-2012 pump relocation harness as an "extension cord", plug it in at my 2008 oem pump 12V power location, then I will cut the 2007-2012 pump connection off of the VMP harness and solder/heat shrink the 2013/14 end on and it will be a plug and play and look oem.

The wire colors are different between the 2008 and the 2013, I have the 2008 and 2013 Ford shop manual wiring schematics of the I/C pump for correct 12V and ground connections between the two harnesses so there is no questioning which wire connects to the other.

I think I have about $20 in those two Ford harnesses.
R

What is your plan for the 2013/14 coolant hose degas tank bypass? Are you making your own like lexustech48 or are you using a OEM 2013/14 hose.

 

[Robert M]

WOW Photobucket now requires a person to pay a fee to attach their photo's to a forum thread!?!?!?

 

[Robert M]

What is your plan for the 2013/14 coolant hose degas tank bypass? Are you making your own like lexustech48 or are you using a OEM 2013/14 hose.

No, I have a couple (or maybe 3) 2013/14 oem by-pass hoses that I picked up off of eBay over the last few years, so the hose will fit in place and look oem when I am done.


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[ShelbyGT5HUN]

Found a pdf on the technical specs of the "newer" Bosch pump. According to Bosch, the revised pump flows 1400 dm3/h (1400 cubic decimeters per hour) which translates to 6.16 gallons / min.

Seems like it flows 2 gallons per minute more than what other members have quoted for the first generation pump. If this is true, it equals the 2013 pump, and could be a PnP upgrade???

 

[RedVenom48]

Its possible, but its unclear if this pump is a brushless motor design. The Trinity Peirberg unit is a brushless design and should outlast a brushed design by a wide margin. I priced out a trinity pump (Peirberg) and its about $275 shipped to my door along with $5 for the adapter harness.

Id say its probably a better investment to get the Trinity pump than an old style pump, even if the flow rate is similar. The factory pup is right around $200 at one of our site vendors. I imagine the newer upgraded pump is probably at least 20-30 more. For about $275 Id rather just have the trinity pump.

 

[Snoopy49]

lexustech48,
Checkout this pump kit.

FORD RACING 2013-2014 SHELBY MUSTANG GT500 INTERCOOLER WATER PUMP M-8501-M58