2018 Dodge Challenger SRT Demon Explained

[mc01svt]

while slow poke has a terrible way of making a point i do understand what he's getting at.

As we all know production car manufacturers typically dont test their cars with none emissions legal race tunes, 100oct fuel, 1 seat removed, big and littles on a well prepped drag strip. So essentially the demon is in no mans land, as its a "stock" car that comes with off road intent only tunes/equipment.

It would be better to compare the demon to the cobra jet and the copo camaros.

To say that the car runs 9.65 out of the box is only a half truth at best and a lie at worst. There really should be an asterisk beside the "worlds fastest production car" claim. In street trim, on pump gas in real world conditions the demon would get badly abused by the top 10-15 cars on that list.

I can't tell you the last time i passed a gas pump that had 100oct available.

 

[Serpent]

100 octane is getting rarer in cali too. Only place you can score race fuel is at the track. Even those they lock up (laguna seca).

 

[Kiohtee]

while slow poke has a terrible way of making a point i do understand what he's getting at.

As we all know production car manufacturers typically dont test their cars with none emissions legal race tunes, 100oct fuel, 1 seat removed, big and littles on a well prepped drag strip. So essentially the demon is in no mans land, as its a "stock" car that comes with off road intent only tunes/equipment.

It would be better to compare the demon to the cobra jet and the copo camaros.

To say that the car runs 9.65 out of the box is only a half truth at best and a lie at worst. There really should be an asterisk beside the "worlds fastest production car" claim. In street trim, on pump gas in real world conditions the demon would get badly abused by the top 10-15 cars on that list.

I can't tell you the last time i passed a gas pump that had 100oct available.

It did take some otherwise unusual tricks to put the Demon where it is. The whole track prep, good air and the things you've listed above. But at no point in time will the Demon become illegal when using the provided tunes and equipment. A tire like the ET Street (not sure what the Demon uses) is 100% legal for street use. As are front runners. As is 100 octane fuel.

Whether or not the car is emissions legal after all that I'm not sure (don't see why it wouldn't be), but it's not like you should drive the thing all the time with 100 octane on the race tune and drag radials/bicycle tires.

Dodge comparing this to a CJ or COPO would be even worse for Ford and Chevy, as to do what they did with those cars they had to essentially make them illegal for road use. So to label your closest competition as illegal for use on public roads and generally only available to those with special racing licenses, is a pretty telling statement. Even more so than billing it as "the quickest production car."

Nobody is arguing there isn't a cheaper, easier way to a 9-second slip in a full interior, pump gas (E85) car. But to chastise Dodge for doing this, in the name of performance and for performance enthusiasts, is asinine.

 

[KilledbyKenne]

while slow poke has a terrible way of making a point i do understand what he's getting at.

As we all know production car manufacturers typically dont test their cars with none emissions legal race tunes, 100oct fuel, 1 seat removed, big and littles on a well prepped drag strip. So essentially the demon is in no mans land, as its a "stock" car that comes with off road intent only tunes/equipment.

It would be better to compare the demon to the cobra jet and the copo camaros.

To say that the car runs 9.65 out of the box is only a half truth at best and a lie at worst. There really should be an asterisk beside the "worlds fastest production car" claim. In street trim, on pump gas in real world conditions the demon would get badly abused by the top 10-15 cars on that list.

I can't tell you the last time i passed a gas pump that had 100oct available.

Even in "street trim" it would only slow down to #5 on that list.

The reason it isn't compared to the Copo or the Cobra Jet is that neither of those give you a vin # for your money. That may not matter to the people that can afford a six figure toy that is limited to track use, but it is still true.

 

[Kiohtee]

Even in street trim it would only slow down to #5 on that list.

The reason it isn't compared to the Copo or the Cobra Jet is that neither of those give you a vin # for your money. That may not matter to the people that can afford a six figure toy that is limited to track use, but it is still true.

And whereas the Demon can be taken from the track, swap wheels (if you're sane), and drive across the country otherwise un-bothered. Why? Because it has a regular transmission and full interior (meaning sound deadening, carpet, a fully functioning dash, radio, etc.).

 

[mc01svt]

Even in "street trim" it would only slow down to #5 on that list.

The reason it isn't compared to the Copo or the Cobra Jet is that neither of those give you a vin # for your money. That may not matter to the people that can afford a six figure toy that is limited to track use, but it is still true.

how do you figure? The street tune on pump gas is only 757hp which is a mere 50 over the hellcat. The normal hellcat didnt even make the cut.

I'm guessing on a street course or tarmac (no VHT, no prep), both seats and pump gas the demon will be lucky to ring off a 10.6 which would put it at #10 on the list.

It definitely isnt running with the P100d in ludicrous mode. Those have been raping hellcats.

 

[Zemedici]

how do you figure? The street tune on pump gas is only 757hp which is a mere 50 over the hellcat. The normal hellcat didnt even make the cut.

I'm guessing on a street course or tarmac (no VHT, no prep), both seats and pump gas the demon will be lucky to ring off a 10.6 which would put it at #10 on the list.

It definitely isnt running with the P100d in ludicrous mode. Those have been raping hellcats.

you guys have got sooooo much learning to do about dodges.

Hellcat automatics dyno 640whp on my dyno.

They do NOT make 707chp, much more than that.

The Demon will do the same.

 

[mc01svt]

And whereas the Demon can be taken from the track, swap wheels (if you're sane), and drive across the country otherwise un-bothered. Why? Because it has a regular transmission and full interior (meaning sound deadening, carpet, a fully functioning dash, radio, etc.).

At the very least you would need to switch the demon to hellcat rolling stock for cross country driving. The tires are zero tread wear, cant use in cold weather, not rated for rain/wet and by dodges own admission "not intended for highway" use.

So not a trailer queen but almost...

 

[mc01svt]

you guys have got sooooo much learning to do about dodges.

Hellcat automatics dyno 640whp on my dyno.

They do NOT make 707chp, much more than that.

The Demon will do the same.

dyno numbers aside, what evidence do you have a demon will run less than 10.5sec with pump 93 octane on asphault/tarmac with no prep?

 

[Zemedici]

At the very least you would need to switch the demon to hellcat rolling stock for cross country driving. The tires are zero tread wear, cant use in cold weather, not rated for rain/wet and by dodges own admission "not intended for highway" use.

So not a trailer queen but almost...

you guys are splitting hairs here.

same discussion can be made for power tour cars....

and same description is on the majority of radials we have on our cars....

You're really stating the car isn't road worthy because the tires are not rated for cold weather? hahahahahahahaha

 

[Zemedici]

dyno numbers aside, what evidence do you have a demon will run less than 10.5sec with pump 93 octane on asphault/tarmac with no prep?

and what evidence do you have that it wont?

the same evidence I do, none.

but again, who gives a shit about the 'slower' tune, again? I surely dont.

'no no, lets run it back, I was on the slow tune!'

Does that work when you go out racing? Doesnt work for me....I should try that.

 

[KilledbyKenne]

how do you figure? The street tune on pump gas is only 757hp which is a mere 50 over the hellcat. The normal hellcat didnt even make the cut.

I'm guessing on a street course or tarmac (no VHT, no prep), both seats and pump gas the demon will be lucky to ring off a 10.6 which would put it at #10 on the list.

It definitely isnt running with the P100d in ludicrous mode. Those have been raping hellcats.

Where you have assumptions, I have test results from Dodge.

http://www.roadkill.com/840-horsepo...seconds-lifts-front-tires-and-has-valet-mode/

9.96 @ 136 on 91 octane

 

[black99lightnin]

There's been boosted 5.0's and Terminators running 10's and 9's for awhile now. Even c6z's have been doing this, so you know I am not a brand loyalist although I do prefer Fords because that's what I like obviously on an SVT forum... Who knew? Sure they do not come from the factory like this, but it's not some impossible feat to get a big boosted v8 to run a decent 1/4mi. Hell, even my twin turbo Audi s4 with a 2.7l v6 traps almost 130 in the quarter and I can still take it to the road course and it does even better there too. I like cars that can do more than one thing great, that's all. And yes, I am 100% a car guy lol. Agree to disagree.

you want to compare highly modified cars to a factory stock car with a very good warranty. Tell me about the heated and cooled seats in the terminator?

Demon has a good ways to go against my cobra jet. I know mine isn't street legal but it's a stock 2012 factory production car. And it will stomp the shit out of the demon. I dare you to argue that.

Factory race car with no VIN vs a street legal production car. You do know Dodge has the dragpack cars to compete with the CJ's and COPO's? And why are COPO's whooping that ass with a 5.3?

Every definition of production car that I can find dictates that it be street legal. Again, street legal. What about a warranty to boot?

Bet a Demon could drive coast to coast legally. Dare you to argue that.

Agreed.

I drove mine in the hotrod power tour 2015 from Austin to okc and I live in Tulsa. Then used it all weekend for the mid America shelby event in Tulsa.
No need to dare me. It's a car. And I'm not afraid to drive it. That demon will need the warranty for sure. I've had no need for one.

Pics or it didn't happen. Of you driving the car on the interstate/backroads. I did the long haul on Power tour in 2016 with my street legal 10 second GT500. We were in traffic jams for all 7 days in 100+ degree heat. Also what kind of ****tard drives a car with no vin, thus no insurance to be on a public road for 100's of miles per day? I think you're lying...prove me wrong.

And it will, provided the track, DA and driver is there. That's the three most important parts of the equation when considering a 9-second pass. What don't you understand about that?

And as far as "it's Dodge claiming to be the fastest production car" argument. No sweetheart, it's a fact.

Absolutely correct. It's not going to run a 9.65 at Bandimere, but I'd guarantee it would in the late fall early winter at No Problem raceway in Louisiana.

Dodge is the only manufacturer to ever truly ring the neck of there car in the 1/4 to get the best possible time. No other manufacturer has cared.

I'm looking forward to customer times in stock for and with the after market mods and race gas tune provided by Dodge at purchase.

Not so true. Ford had journalist beating the shit out of 13 GT500's in Atlanta.

while slow poke has a terrible way of making a point i do understand what he's getting at.

As we all know production car manufacturers typically dont test their cars with none emissions legal race tunes, 100oct fuel, 1 seat removed, big and littles on a well prepped drag strip. So essentially the demon is in no mans land, as its a "stock" car that comes with off road intent only tunes/equipment.

It would be better to compare the demon to the cobra jet and the copo camaros.

To say that the car runs 9.65 out of the box is only a half truth at best and a lie at worst. There really should be an asterisk beside the "worlds fastest production car" claim. In street trim, on pump gas in real world conditions the demon would get badly abused by the top 10-15 cars on that list.

I can't tell you the last time i passed a gas pump that had 100oct available.

Why do you think the tune would be non emissions legal. I haven't read enough to know it wouldn't be. I'd assume the car has cats so the fuel is 100 octane unleaded.

My own input. As far as I know the Demon can be had with every creature comfort that a Hellcat has. So leather heated/cooled seats, 8 inch touchscreen navigation, power sunroof, etc.... It still has 4 piston Brembos. Because a GT350 will beat it on a roadcourse, it's a terrible one trick pony car. Maybe you Ford only guys should be pissed the GT350 can barely outrun a regular GT, and gets shit on by Zl1's, Hellcats, and now the demon in a straightline.

In fact, I think next year we'll have a 1999 all over again when regular GT's were outperforming the 99 Cobra. Think about that a GT350 is a bottom 12 car currently. Many 15-17 GT's have run low to mid 12's from the factory. Now factor in 20 more hp and a 10spd auto. I see a drivers race.

 

[Kiohtee]

And whereas the Demon can be taken from the track, swap wheels (if you're sane), and drive across the country otherwise un-bothered. Why? Because it has a regular transmission and full interior (meaning sound deadening, carpet, a fully functioning dash, radio, etc.).

how do you figure? The street tune on pump gas is only 757hp which is a mere 50 over the hellcat. The normal hellcat didnt even make the cut.

I'm guessing on a street course or tarmac (no VHT, no prep), both seats and pump gas the demon will be lucky to ring off a 10.6 which would put it at #10 on the list.

It definitely isnt running with the P100d in ludicrous mode. Those have been raping hellcats.

I said you'd have to "swap wheels (if you're sane)."

And no, P100Ds aren't raping Hellcats. OK, yeah, maybe when the Hellcat is going from a dig on a everyday street tire. But put a Hellcat on a tire only on a prepped track and it's gonna be just as quick as that Tesla, and far faster.

People swing from a Tesla's nuts like they're the fastest things on Earth. No, they dead hook and have like 900hp. They're damn fast to 100 or so, then fall off bad. I mean seriously, a 10.3-10.4 @ 124? It shits and gets, but stops getting long before others.

 

[tones_RS3]

you want to compare highly modified cars to a factory stock car with a very good warranty. Tell me about the heated and cooled seats in the terminator?

Ohhhhhhh snap! lol

 

[jsd512]

So basically this car is good for one thing which is going fast in a straight line... Wow, they really pushed the envelope here.

This car is as technologically advanced as any other car, so what if it was geared towards what 99% of car guys do, go fast in a straight line? 100% of the action I have personally gotten, has been in a straight line, out on the highways. Have you heard of TX2K? All about straight line racing, no one cares how well they go in a curvy line. The GT350R and 1LE are "only" good for one thing, going in a crooked line. Don't be that guy.

There's been boosted 5.0's and Terminators running 10's and 9's for awhile now. Even c6z's have been doing this, so you know I am not a brand loyalist although I do prefer Fords because that's what I like obviously on an SVT forum... Who knew? Sure they do not come from the factory like this, but it's not some impossible feat to get a big boosted v8 to run a decent 1/4mi. Hell, even my twin turbo Audi s4 with a 2.7l v6 traps almost 130 in the quarter and I can still take it to the road course and it does even better there too. I like cars that can do more than one thing great, that's all. And yes, I am 100% a car guy lol. Agree to disagree.

Demon has a good ways to go against my cobra jet. I know mine isn't street legal but it's a stock 2012 factory production car. And it will stomp the shit out of the demon. I dare you to argue that.

Jeez, really. My car is not legal, but it will kick the shit out of this POS.

When the magazines ran it at a Dodge event, I think the fastest anyone saw was a 10.9 except for the professional driver who went a little further into the 10s.

I have no doubt owners will be able to replicate 9s in this thing, it's just going to take the right track and the right air.

Very fast.

One journalist ran 10.5 @ 132 according to the onboard timers. It takes the right track conditions for any car to reach peak potential. Why only apply that logic to the Demon? I've seen owners of GT350s run low 13s. I have seen GT500 owners run 13s.

Run the 720s a thousand times with the intent to get the fastest time.

Do the same with the p1, 918, veyron, chiron, etc... (All production cars)

There claim is marketing shit. They knew it would sell the cars and get hype. They did awesome with it.

No it's not, they consistently ran 9s. The quickest reported "hero" run was in the 9.40s @ 142+. On an aggressive tune (non factory), they ran 9.30s. They tested this car to the max because they knew it would be abused. You don't know what you are talking about.

dyno numbers aside, what evidence do you have a demon will run less than 10.5sec with pump 93 octane on asphault/tarmac with no prep?

On pump gas it ran 9.90s. They (engineers) have talked about it. It was reported by people who saw them run consistent 9.90s on 91 octane.

Holy moly, this thread....

 

[STAMPEDE3]

Yea, really.
Thank God I learned how to merge......

 

[Serpent]

Holy moly, this thread....

Learn how to multi quote, ffs.

 

[mc01svt]

Where you have assumptions, I have test results from Dodge.

http://www.roadkill.com/840-horsepo...seconds-lifts-front-tires-and-has-valet-mode/

9.96 @ 136 on 91 octane

i stand corrected, that's impressive

Why do you think the tune would be non emissions legal. I haven't read enough to know it wouldn't be. I'd assume the car has cats so the fuel is 100 octane unleaded.

the 100 octane tune isn't included as a factory flash. Its on an entirely different PCM that comes unplugged and separate from the car. They wouldnt be required to do emissions testing from add on devices for that car that are explictly stated as "off road use" only.

but i'll concede that point cause the car can break into the 9s with just 91oct. So you wouldnt even need to bother changing the tune to beat up on $2mil supercars...

From what i see the demon is pretty much the hydrogen bomb of the muscle car wars. It will probably never be topped. I can't see ford, GM or anyone else making a street legal drag specific car.

the next GT500 will probably be significantly slower than the demon but much less compromised.

 

[Kiohtee]

That's the problem though. Ford, at least, can match Dodge as far as the Demon goes. I'm not personally familiar with GM's offerings and their aftermarket, so that's not an argument for me to make IMO.

However, Ford could take a current 5.0, offer a 2.9 Whipple with ID1000s and a BAP, tuned for E85 (and with upgraded half shafts), and have a 9-second capable car. Of course it would need a tire, but you could even use the factory 20s from a Premium car. I've seen it done.

That's why Dodge is earning near universal praise from real car enthusiasts, because at least they're actually trying. Albeit much more expensive than it has to be, but they're doing it.