Anyone else frustrated with Ford over the next GT500?

[biminiLX]

So will the ‘19 GT350 and GT500 get the updates from 2018 Mustang or are they stuck with the previous Gen components?
Basically, will the 2019 GT350 get the interior and styling updates or live on completely unchanged?
Will there be a 2019 350R?
-J

 

[72MachOne99GT]

So will the ‘19 GT350 and GT500 get the updates from 2018 Mustang or are they stuck with the previous Gen components?
Basically, will the 2019 GT350 get the interior and styling updates or live on completely unchanged?
Will there be a 2019 350R?
-J

Maybe.

(Your questions out to allow the thread to last at least 10 more pages)

 

[bpmurr]

a full year overlap of GT500 and 350 for '19?
hmmm

I’d really like Ford to keep both for even longer. Have the GT350 be the lightest naturally aspirated high performance Mustang with a track focus, but still very capable in a straight line. The GT500 would be the FI option which sacrifices some added weight for more power and has a drag focus, but still very capable on a road course. Different steeds for different needs, but not total one trick pony like the Dodge Demon.

So will the ‘19 GT350 and GT500 get the updates from 2018 Mustang or are they stuck with the previous Gen components?
Basically, will the 2019 GT350 get the interior and styling updates or live on completely unchanged?
Will there be a 2019 350R?
-J

That's a great question. I could see the 19 GT350 maybe picking up the 18 GT taillights since that would work without any changes. Anything else probably wouldn't be worth the investment unless they had plans to carry the GT350 on past MY 19.

 

[biminiLX]

I love the current GT350 styling but would like the interior upgrades.
-J

 

[Legendary 351]

Anything less than 850hp will be a bit sad.

 

[Tob]

Anything less than 850hp will be a bit sad.

My last GT500 was at 725 and it was a ****ing beast. A much more sophisticated S550 chassis with the same kind of power and a DCT will be an absolute monster and way beyond any pony car Mustang before it. What will be sad is if the power can't be put to the ground or it quickly becomes the SS Fatass at mere mention of a turn up ahead.

TLDR - if it is a better ZL1 1LE than the ZL1 1LE, sad is one thing it won't be.

 

[ON D BIT]

It won’t be?

As in lap times or no suspension travel/50 wear super slick siphoned tires?

Good thing anyone can buy the zl11le for 10k under now...

 

[GT Premi]

I love the current GT350 styling but would like the interior upgrades.
-J

What interior upgrades are there, other than the optional full LCD instrument panel?

 

[DBK]

The last thing the car needs is more power.

 

[bpmurr]

I love the current GT350 styling but would like the interior upgrades.
-J

Yeah offering the interior upgrades should be an easy thing to do as well. Just some new graphics

 

[bpmurr]

Video confirmation from a Ford Rep of my earlier post about the GT500 5.2L CPC SC V8, MY2019 GT500 and GT350, and CY2019 GT500 release meaning it will be a late MY19 offering.

 

[72MachOne99GT]

The last thing the car needs is more power.

Blasphemy

Smite the heretic!

 

[Snoopy49]

Other than bragging rights, if you can't get the power to the ground, it's worthless.
It's like bragging your H*ng like a horse, well brother, unless you are into livestock, it's worthless.

 

[Zemedici]

Other than bragging rights, if you can't get the power to the ground, it's worthless.
It's like bragging your H*ng like a horse, well brother, unless you are into livestock, it's worthless.

Sounds like something other less hung horses would say.....

 

[72MachOne99GT]

Other than bragging rights, if you can't get the power to the ground, it's worthless.
It's like bragging your H*ng like a horse, well brother, unless you are into livestock, it's worthless.

To be fair, I sort of lost where the conversation was going. Not sure if he meant the ZL1 didn’t need more power, or if he was talking about the GT350, or the eventual next GT500.

I stand by my heresy comment however.

 

[Gr8fulmtnbiker]

Other than bragging rights, if you can't get the power to the ground, it's worthless.
It's like bragging your H*ng like a horse, well brother, unless you are into livestock, it's worthless.

I'm not touching that 2nd sentence (let's just agree to agree there!), but regarding the first sentence I will just add that even if you CAN get all that power to the ground, how much of it is actually useable on the street? That is why I think the so-called horsepower wars can and should only go so far when it comes to street cars- different story if the power will be used and unleashed on a track, but if you are going to make a street car then how much is too much at some point? Even with my 700+ I can hardly ever use it on the street- and if/when I do then I am doing so at the risk of my and everyone else's life. And cars with significantly less power IMO are crossing that threshhold even before getting to my level. I love super power as much as anyone, but that is why I feel tracks should be used more (I am of the guilty crew that does not use a track but certainly should).

 

[Voltwings]

I'm not touching that 2nd sentence (let's just agree to agree there!), but regarding the first sentence I will just add that even if you CAN get all that power to the ground, how much of it is actually useable on the street? That is why I think the so-called horsepower wars can and should only go so far when it comes to street cars- different story if the power will be used and unleashed on a track, but if you are going to make a street car then how much is too much at some point? Even with my 700+ I can hardly ever use it on the street- and if/when I do then I am doing so at the risk of my and everyone else's life. And cars with significantly less power IMO are crossing that threshhold even before getting to my level. I love super power as much as anyone, but that is why I feel tracks should be used more (I am of the guilty crew that does not use a track but certainly should).

I got in an argument with a guy on this forum regarding the demon. He said 1000 whp street cars should be no big deal because the OEMs can develop sophisticated traction control systems to deliver only as much power is useable.

In my mind that's the stupidest thing i've ever heard. Why have 1000 whp and have the computer limit me to 500, 600, etc when i could just have a properly setup and useable 500 to begin with... I think this car would be more successful with 650 than 750 (let alone 850...) but everyone here seems to have their heads in the clouds, so what do i know.

 

[Gr8fulmtnbiker]

I got in an argument with a guy on this forum regarding the demon. He said 1000 whp street cars should be no big deal because the OEMs can develop sophisticated traction control systems to deliver only as much power is useable.

In my mind that's the stupidest thing i've ever heard. Why have 1000 whp and have the computer limit me to 500, 600, etc when i could just have a properly setup and useable 500 to begin with... I think this car would be more successful with 650 than 750 (let alone 850...) but everyone here seems to have their heads in the clouds, so what do i know.

I have to agree with you here!

While I will allow for having heard maybe a few things that might be stupider (and I will say that that is open for debate), that certainly ranks very high! I can certainly see having cars with options for street use power levels vs track use power levels (maybe opening up the higher power levels with a special key of some sort??? Dodge has already done that). Again, I love power and speed as much as anyone, but there is a time and place for it. I am not sure I would have said that in my 20's or even my 30's, but then again the levels we are starting to see on street cars are approaching what one would only find on a track once upon a time.

 

[GT Premi]

...
It's like bragging your H*ng like a horse, well brother, unless you are into livestock, it's worthless.

Said no woman ever.

... That is why I think the so-called horsepower wars can and should only go so far when it comes to street cars- different story if the power will be used and unleashed on a track, but if you are going to make a street car then how much is too much at some point? Even with my 700+ I can hardly ever use it on the street- and if/when I do then I am doing so at the risk of my and everyone else's life. And cars with significantly less power IMO are crossing that threshhold even before getting to my level. I love super power as much as anyone, but that is why I feel tracks should be used more (I am of the guilty crew that does not use a track but certainly should).

I think we're approaching the limit on what HP will be offered in the pony car segment. With tighter and tighter CAFE standards, the only logical next step is to start taking weight out of these hogs and reducing their gargantuan sizes. I'd gladly take a 500HP, 3300 lbs, small footprint Mustang over an 800HP 4000 lbs road barge of a Mustang, just so long as the smaller one is still sporting 8 cylinders. If the proper power is there, I don't care what the displacement is.

 

[5.8]

I thing that saying 700HP is too much, or 1000HP is too much is not thinking things through. I would say a better method is using a power to ratio and at about 5lbs/HP you are getting near the limits. This is what the new ZR1 will put down. The trinity is 5.8 and the Hellcat is 6.4. The 5th gen Camaro was 7.1. As the number gets larger the car gets slower. Once you hit a certain point you are limited by traction, but at that point a different kind of fun starts emerging and that is keeping the car straight.

As a reference, the P/W ratio of my GSXR-750 is about 2.9 so I guess what I'm trying to say is the horsepower should be appropriate to the weight of the new GT500. Thats it, my main purpose was checking in for new news, but no new news I see.