Unmarked car instigating race?

[Great Asp]

Most certainly. Or if the officer makes a promise. Such as, he if you run you car so he can see it perform he wont arrest you. But, he arrests you after you run.

Funny story:

When I was getting my Cobra (Superformance roller) tagged for the State of Missouri, I had to go my nearest Highway Patrol HQ so they could look for stolen parts, and inspect my paperwork. This HQ is located on a deadend service road right off Highway 40.

The Patrolmen were all very cool, asking questions about how much hp it made, were was it built and such. (These guys are all like 6'-3" hovering over me).

Then one officer says "Hey, go down to the end of the service road, and drive back as fast as you can, and we will radar you and tell you how fast you were going.

I stood there for a second, and they all seemed serious that I should do it. Just then it struck me, and I went "Oh hell no!". They all bust up laughing. :lol1:

True story!

E

 

[SaleenFiend]

This is why I stay out of the donut shop as much as possible. Too many opinions and lack of understanding of the law (especially on my part) or misunderstanding.

Funny story:

When I was getting my Cobra (Superformance roller) tagged for the State of Missouri, I had to go my nearest Highway Patrol HQ so they could look for stolen parts, and inspect my paperwork. This HQ is located on a deadend service road right off Highway 40.

The Patrolmen were all very cool, asking questions about how much hp it made, were was it built and such. (These guys are all like 6'-3" hovering over me).

Then one officer says "Hey, go down to the end of the service road, and drive back as fast as you can, and we will radar you and tell you how fast you were going.

I stood there for a second, and they all seemed serious that I should do it. Just then it struck me, and I went "Oh hell no!". They all bust up laughing. :lol1:

True story!

E

In my experiences most officers (especially local) are very down to earth and understanding if not entertaining guys.

 

[FordSVTFan]

My Question exactly? I know that states, counties, and perception will vary, but him toying the other car is an illegal act itself, correct?
I'm no officer but I'm sure that I would more than likely be ticketed for revving, jumping, or acceleration at an officer.

My answer exactly.

All states have exceptions and exemptions written into the law to allow for effective enforce of the various state statutes. So, you cant compare what is illegal if done outside of the scope of L.E. duties, to that done within the scope.

 

[kevin01cobra]

*removed by moderator - this is the wrong section for your advice*

 

[THAITED]

For the 11 billionth time, this is not entrapment!!!!

Nobody forced him to race. Its just like cops posing as drug dealers, nobody forced you to buy the drugs.

And yes it is becoming a common tactic targeting street racing.

Agreed.

 

[SaleenFiend]

All states have exceptions and exemptions written into the law to allow for effective enforce of the various state statutes. So, you cant compare what is illegal if done outside of the scope of L.E. duties, to that done within the scope.

I must have missed that, but it sums it all up /thread

 

[red9450]

I think there is a difference.

A cop gunning it and "toying" with another car to get him to punch it should be illegal.

Now if a cop is cruising around in a nice mustang or unmarked car and another car comes up and wants to race him, then that is fine, but I don't like how you can "taunt" someone into doing something illegal, its like "lets see how far we can push him".

Everyone would want someone dead if you push them far enough, everyone would buy drugs if you give them a good enough reason to and push them enough, everyone would say the word yes if you push them enough. its the "everyone has a price" concept

I have no idea who is right and who is wrong, but IMO this guy has a very good point. I have no interest in many illegal activities, but presented with the right opportunity, I would very possibly be a criminal. lol:uh oh:

 

[phillySVT]

It may be legal but it damn sure ain't right. I think 80% or more of the public will agree with that. With all the other real criminals out their this is what we resort too.:nonono:

 

[Great Asp]

I have no idea who is right and who is wrong, but IMO this guy has a very good point. I have no interest in many illegal activities, but presented with the right opportunity, I would very possibly be a criminal. lol:uh oh:

Don't be thugg'n it in Philly!

:lol1:

 

[jrscobra]

You cant win this one. Technically, I guess a cop can do whatever he wants to nudge you into a crime. they do it all the time.

Theres no way you can win this argument, even though we all know its wrong. Its the way everyone gets around acting in a decent manner. "He had control of his car" is no excuse that validates the actions. But, legally, in lawyerspeak, I guess it is.

The country is run by lawyers who can twist it up to make you sound like the bad guy, but its wrong. Most everyone here would agree. It is not right. In theory its right, but in practice, I call it dirty pool.
Just my .02
I know the police officers here will disagree and tell us how we're wrong, and thats why I told myself literally years ago to stay out of this forum, and I told myself I would stay out. I just broke my own policy, but I had to chime in. I'll leave again. See you guys in another 6 years or so.

 

[SaleenFiend]

You cant win this one. Technically, I guess a cop can do whatever he wants to nudge you into a crime. they do it all the time.

Theres no way you can win this argument, even though we all know its wrong. Its the way everyone gets around acting in a decent manner. "He had control of his car" is no excuse that validates the actions. But, legally, in lawyerspeak, I guess it is.

The country is run by lawyers who can twist it up to make you sound like the bad guy, but its wrong. Most everyone here would agree. It is not right. In theory its right, but in practice, I call it dirty pool.
Just my .02
I know the police officers here will disagree and tell us how we're wrong, and thats why I told myself literally years ago to stay out of this forum, and I told myself I would stay out. I just broke my own policy, but I had to chime in. I'll leave again. See you guys in another 6 years or so.

thats why I gave up and just suckered up to 'em... you can't win

 

[05 Roush]

You cant win this one.

You most certainly can. It's called taking it to the track. :burnout:

 

[phillySVT]

Originally Posted by jrscobra
You cant win this one. Technically, I guess a cop can do whatever he wants to nudge you into a crime. they do it all the time.

Theres no way you can win this argument, even though we all know its wrong. Its the way everyone gets around acting in a decent manner. "He had control of his car" is no excuse that validates the actions. But, legally, in lawyerspeak, I guess it is.

The country is run by lawyers who can twist it up to make you sound like the bad guy, but its wrong. Most everyone here would agree. It is not right. In theory its right, but in practice, I call it dirty pool.
Just my .02
I know the police officers here will disagree and tell us how we're wrong, and thats why I told myself literally years ago to stay out of this forum, and I told myself I would stay out. I just broke my own policy, but I had to chime in. I'll leave again. See you guys in another 6 years or so.

+1 you nailed it.

 

[DHGTerminator]

Don't worry...your post will soon be deleted. Despite most everyone agreeing with you it won't matter.
Cheers!

QFT. Oh well though, there's good and bad apples out there. I know a couple good ones but was pulled over by one just the other day that just happened to be bad. AND according to Tulsa policy, even though it's not required by law to be shown the radar, they're supposed to (according to numerous cops I've talked to). Needless to say I've acquired my proof and evidence that I was not speeding and will be attempting to defeat a wrongful speeding ticket. It's just a shame that our system is so broken that even if you were to have proof of such an action of the topic of this forum, many times the judges view it as an 'Us vs. Them' environment and you get the charges, with an additional court cost. I've lost all my faith in this system, but I know there's nothing that can be done about it without major reform, which is inevitable and completely necessary. Just my .02 though.

 

[Koval7887]

It may be legal in the laws eyes, but I still think that it is morally wrong. Street racing is illegal because it is dangerous and can harm innocent citizens and make them victims. This is exactly what these cops are doing...now when they are doing a drug or prostitution sting, they are not putting people in harms way, but maybe themselves. I guess if there are no other cars on the road, it wouldn't be so bad, but what if this cop somehow lost control, although highly unlikely, and injured the person he was taunting...that would be a shame.

 

[05 Roush]

It may be legal in the laws eyes, but I still think that it is morally wrong. Street racing is illegal because it is dangerous and can harm innocent citizens and make them victims. This is exactly what these cops are doing...now when they are doing a drug or prostitution sting, they are not putting people in harms way, but maybe themselves. I guess if there are no other cars on the road, it wouldn't be so bad, but what if this cop somehow lost control, although highly unlikely, and injured the person he was taunting...that would be a shame.

You can't even begin to compare the "harm" caused by prostitution and drugs to street racing.

If anything drunk driving is the real driving "harm" in this country. It outnumbers fatal accidents 105 to 1 compared to street racing.

 

[ZChaos0026]

it may outnumber it...but is 1 death because of it too much??? should 1 person die because someone wants to beat some honda into a pulp??? what if the 1 person was your wife/kid/mother/etc.????

Ya'll might not agree with this not being entrapment, or being legal, but you have to admit that ya'll are a bit biased....you drive fast cars....youre defending an act that you feel shouldnt be illegal, because you do it..........if you were a single mother of 3 and didnt have a job, would you defend prostitution??? you can say no all you want, but most of us would defend it.

we do what we do. its a tough job that not everyone can do. we dont make the laws, we enforce them, and while we do have somewhat of a leeway on which laws we enforce, we are still required to do our job. and that means finding street racers and dealing with them accordingly...as was stated earlier...105 people die from drunk driving to every 1 person dying from street racing....

 

[czwalga00gt]

it may outnumber it...but is 1 death because of it too much??? should 1 person die because someone wants to beat some honda into a pulp??? what if the 1 person was your wife/kid/mother/etc.????

Ya'll might not agree with this not being entrapment, or being legal, but you have to admit that ya'll are a bit biased....you drive fast cars....youre defending an act that you feel shouldnt be illegal, because you do it..........if you were a single mother of 3 and didnt have a job, would you defend prostitution??? you can say no all you want, but most of us would defend it.

we do what we do. its a tough job that not everyone can do. we dont make the laws, we enforce them, and while we do have somewhat of a leeway on which laws we enforce, we are still required to do our job. and that means finding street racers and dealing with them accordingly...as was stated earlier...105 people die from drunk driving to every 1 person dying from street racing....

I agree with much of what you say, but going out and trying and provoke races takes a lot of time and effort. It also won't really effect the street racing population as a whole. Unless you're taking down big stings where there are 10+ cars (which I agree should be taken care of) trying to go out and find a random teenager with a 95 mustang and getting him to race seems pointless in the overall scheme of things.

There just seems like a lot of effort to catch people who most likely aren't the main problem in the 'street racing community'. Especially when it's a lot easier to catch drunk drivers when they are a much larger part of the problem as a whole.

 

[matted2thefloor]

Yep...been reading about this all over the country. Cops are doing this because of the street racing killing so many people now-a-days. There area few S197s here in SC and several Dodge Chargers. I've even heard of where the Cops have confiscated an 03 Cobra heavily modified and a Nissan 350Z modded and use them as their "bait" cars. Watch out who you "play" with!!!

 

[CobraMarkVIII]

How about just DONT street race. I've been prevoked especially late at night travels between states on large empty highways, and I never once acted on it. Call me a mom, I don't care. Life isn't like the movies. Things could go very wrong. Although, once I started driving a focus, the challenges disapppeared. Go figure haha.