Edmunds test: ZR1 vs. GTR

[Stop&turnFreak]

A GTR can't even outrun a pullied Cobra or stock LS3 BASE C6 in your everyday street encounter, forget about ZR1s & Z06s. I love the fact the GTR nutswingers are in denial of how overrated it is. :lol1:

Let's get real ... From a dig, this car with even the lower stock launch is going to hit sub 2s 60 on the street (tranny be damned). Not many of you can muster the same thing, unless you roll on slicks, which some of you do .

As for modding ... you guys should be concerned. There are two shops that I know of for a fact, who have done single turbo swaps, and have hit 700whp on low reading dynos with no (intense) tuning (and yes their are a few shops who have cracked them, or switched to stand-alone). I have seen one of then crack deep 10s on pump gas with a SOFT launch (because they do like their tranny ).

But, as I said before ... this car doesn't power the sun, nor does it heal those who purchase it. But, it is a good car, and for a four seater, short of buying a heavily modded Evo there are few choices at this level. I don't consider it a Z06, ZR1, or Viper class car, but at a track day, you would be hard pressed to find yourself in front of a GTR, unless you had some significant wheel time.

 

[fiveo'cobra]

But, as I said before ... this car doesn't power the sun, nor does it heal those who purchase it. But, it is a good car, and for a four seater, short of buying a heavily modded Evo there are few choices at this level. I don't consider it a Z06, ZR1, or Viper class car, but at a track day, you would be hard pressed to find yourself in front of a GTR, unless you had some significant wheel time.

Excellent way to phrase it. :beer:

 

[Kingcater]

DAMN, now look what you started!! oke: Everyone is swingin from one set of nuts to the other.... AGAIN!! You damn LS1 guys! :lol::lol:

LOL, I knew 25 PSI would come in here that's why....:coolman:

 

[Nvr_Spds]

LOL! I should have known.. I was suprised it took so long for him to chime in.

 

[25psi]

LOL, I knew 25 PSI would come in here that's why....:coolman:

:rockon:

 

[25psi]

Oops, it looks like there was a 3rd party witness to Porsche's claim

2009 Nissan GTR vs 2009 Porsche 911 GT2 - Nurburgring Nordschleife Racetrack- Automobile Magazine

That should be enough to put Nissan's B.S. claim to rest.

FACT: Numerous Z06's have run bottom 11's at over 125
FACT: No GTR's have even come close in the real world

And the claim about the ZR1 was just a wild internet rumor. Unlike Nissan, GM NEVER made the claim.

Any more misinformantion you wish to spread?

Hey you! Stock GTR runs 11.3 with the new revised launch control!

Nissan GT-R ECU Update: Bone Stock Quarter Mile Test 11.3 @ 120mph | Nissan GT-R News - GTRBlog.com

There’s a little bit of excitement going around about the 2010 GT-R ECU update after the revelation this week that there is some good news to go with the loss of the first version of launch control.

With the help of the new improved launch control “2.0″, one member of NAGTROC has run an 11.347 @ 120.85mph in a completely standard GT-R on regular pump gas.

HybridMT, famous for running 11.67 @ 120mph in his completely standard GT-R without using the launch control feature has hit up No Problem Raceway in Belle Rose, Lousiana today just hours after updating his ECU to run the time.

Fastest Z06 times:

1----10.981 @ 128.90--1.77---jamie furman ------'06. -----Details
2----11.138 @ 127.20--1.76---Ranger------'06. -----Details
3----11.242 @ 122.38--1.68---Dr.Ron------'06. ----------Details
4----11.311 @ 122.89--1.80---BLU-BY-U------'06. -----Details
5----11.349 @ 124.97--1.75---zosix427-----'06. -------Details
6----11.392 @ 124.84--1.92--- C5 Frank------'06-------Details
7----11.443 @ 125.93--1.95---O7zeeO6------'07----Details
8----11.450 @ 125.92--1.88---dgdoc------'06. -------Details
9----11.458 @ 124.13--1.80--- layjzay----- '06 -------Details
10---11.488 @ 123.86--1.80---Z06kait-----'07-------Details
11---11.545 @ 123.16--1.83---dpracing-----'07 -------Details
12---11.557 @ 126.68--1.95---Incon306-----'07 -------Details
13---11.560 @ 124.53--1.85---Zlicious-----'06. -------Details
14---11.627 @ 121.67--1.83---BLK BZT-----'06 -------Details
15---11.638 @ 122.46--1.88---Chempwr-----'07-------Details
16---11.641 @ 120.71--1.78--- svt2z06-----'08 -------Details
17---11.687 @ 121.41--1.97---linuxrepublican------'08 -----Details
18---11.695 @ 122.44--1.93---vredvet-----'08-------Details
19---11.705 @ 126.13--2.12---dpracing-----'09 ------Details
20---11.709 @ 121.41--1.86---JWGJR------'07 -------Details


So the GTR would be in the top 5 on the fastest Z06 times :lol:.

 

[heywaitfourme]

:nonono::nonono::bored::nonono::nonono:

I can't believe these threads are popping up still. Can't we talk about something else. It is interesting to read about people bashing on 25psi being a nuttswinger and all, but he has posted some valid links. Do I think some of what Nissan claims is BS? Of course, same with what some of GM claims. No brand manufacture out there is TRUELY HONEST.

I think this horse is beyond beat, it's turning into dust/sand/dirt...whatever you have it be.

 

[25psi]

GTR 'ring time is :bs: always has been, always will be. nothing u or the other nuttswingers say will change ever change the laws of physics. now GTFO

I wanna hear your explanation as to what I posted earlier:

So basically you're saying that there's no way a ZR1 could run a faster time than a Koenigsegg CCX, despite having 150 less horsepower and 700lb dissadvantage. Where's the outcry?

The difference in weight and power is more close in the GTR vs ZR1 comparison than ZR1 vs Koenigsegg CCX :shrug:

 

[Lankhoss]

So a bad driver in a higher hp car can lose at a drag strip to a vehicle that is quite possibly the most effortless drag racing car on the planet??

I'm calling BS!!

Edt: And yes this is a repost, as well as a stupid comparison. You're taking the top of the line model from Chevy's top of the line car and comparing it to a base Nissan GT-R. Nobody even needs to watch the video, it's a waste of time.

 

[25psi]

So a bad driver in a higher hp car can lose at a drag strip to a vehicle that is quite possibly the most effortless drag racing car on the planet??

I'm calling BS!!

Edt: And yes this is a repost, as well as a stupid comparison. You're taking the top of the line model from Chevy's top of the line car and comparing it to a base Nissan GT-R. Nobody even needs to watch the video, it's a waste of time.

People always complain here about going from a dig and when the opposing car wins, people biatch/complain and wanna call BS! It will be hard for the average Z06 owner to beat a GTR on a track. Although the Z will trap higher, on average it will lose.

 

[Paulinator]

damn 11.8 1/4 mile from the GTR? damn they launched the hell out of that thing

 

[25psi]

damn 11.8 1/4 mile from the GTR? damn they launched the hell out of that thing

11.3 not 11.8

 

[Lankhoss]

People always complain here about going from a dig and when the opposing car wins, people biatch/complain and wanna call BS! It will be hard for the average Z06 owner to beat a GTR on a track. Although the Z will trap higher, on average it will lose.

Are you typing this in response to what I said?

Did you actually read what I said?

Do you.....gah.....geezus man.....I don't even know how to deal with your level of stupidity.

 

[ChiSVT]

Repeating the same thing in every GTR thread ftw.

The dozen or so magazines that have employed National SCCA champions to drive the cars must be finding something they like more about the R than the Z. I really don't understand why the car is overrated to you people. The car performs to Nissan's exact performance specifications (1/4 mile, 0-60, top speed, etc), and it was built to compete with and beat the 911 turbo, which it does. Just because a bunch of internet hype started dogging the car because it can't beat cars with 200hp more that aren't remotely in its class doesn't make it overrated. The car improved on every aspect of the R34 except maybe styling which is subjective so I don't see the failure here. Maybe you guys are just insecure that something could actually beat the almighty American brand and need to feel like you're the best so you're being brand loyal?

Stop&Turnfreak pretty much nails it on the head; Brand loyal vs. car enthusiasts. I guess you just have to be a part of the sport or have some sort of road racing experience and not all about the street racing scene to "get it."

Repeating the same magazine and Nissan claims in every thread FTW.

It IS overrated, and way over-hyped. The fact that people use the 7:2X ring time as a indicator of it's performance is a testament to it. Before it was released every single import forum was claiming the GTR would spank C6Z06s, Vipers, exotics, etc on the street, road course and drag strip. When it was released it couldn't even out accelerate a base vette. :lol:

Let's get real ... From a dig, this car with even the lower stock launch is going to hit sub 2s 60 on the street (tranny be damned). Not many of you can muster the same thing, unless you roll on slicks, which some of you do .

As for modding ... you guys should be concerned. There are two shops that I know of for a fact, who have done single turbo swaps, and have hit 700whp on low reading dynos with no (intense) tuning (and yes their are a few shops who have cracked them, or switched to stand-alone). I have seen one of then crack deep 10s on pump gas with a SOFT launch (because they do like their tranny ).

But, as I said before ... this car doesn't power the sun, nor does it heal those who purchase it. But, it is a good car, and for a four seater, short of buying a heavily modded Evo there are few choices at this level. I don't consider it a Z06, ZR1, or Viper class car, but at a track day, you would be hard pressed to find yourself in front of a GTR, unless you had some significant wheel time.

Maybe you should watch the 3 videos I was referring to again. All three of them were from a STOP on street tires. The Z06 was bone stock, the LS3 was a bone stock hertz rental and the Cobra had a intake, exhaust, pulley with an extra passenger. The GTR would leave hard and get passed even harder. :banana:

Hey you! Stock GTR runs 11.3 with the new revised launch control!

Nissan GT-R ECU Update: Bone Stock Quarter Mile Test 11.3 @ 120mph | Nissan GT-R News - GTRBlog.com



Fastest Z06 times:

1----10.981 @ 128.90--1.77---jamie furman ------'06. -----Details
2----11.138 @ 127.20--1.76---Ranger------'06. -----Details
3----11.242 @ 122.38--1.68---Dr.Ron------'06. ----------Details
4----11.311 @ 122.89--1.80---BLU-BY-U------'06. -----Details
5----11.349 @ 124.97--1.75---zosix427-----'06. -------Details
6----11.392 @ 124.84--1.92--- C5 Frank------'06-------Details
7----11.443 @ 125.93--1.95---O7zeeO6------'07----Details
8----11.450 @ 125.92--1.88---dgdoc------'06. -------Details
9----11.458 @ 124.13--1.80--- layjzay----- '06 -------Details
10---11.488 @ 123.86--1.80---Z06kait-----'07-------Details
11---11.545 @ 123.16--1.83---dpracing-----'07 -------Details
12---11.557 @ 126.68--1.95---Incon306-----'07 -------Details
13---11.560 @ 124.53--1.85---Zlicious-----'06. -------Details
14---11.627 @ 121.67--1.83---BLK BZT-----'06 -------Details
15---11.638 @ 122.46--1.88---Chempwr-----'07-------Details
16---11.641 @ 120.71--1.78--- svt2z06-----'08 -------Details
17---11.687 @ 121.41--1.97---linuxrepublican------'08 -----Details
18---11.695 @ 122.44--1.93---vredvet-----'08-------Details
19---11.705 @ 126.13--2.12---dpracing-----'09 ------Details
20---11.709 @ 121.41--1.86---JWGJR------'07 -------Details


So the GTR would be in the top 5 on the fastest Z06 times :lol:.

HAHA what a joke. ONE GTR has ever run that time n like -5000 DA conditions, the majority of them would be lucky to run low 12s @ 117-118mph. You act like they all run those times, would you like me to show you the video of a Z06 running away by train-lengths to refresh your memory? 505HP 3100lb car and a 3900lb 480hp car are not in the same league, PERIOD. You can post all the useless magazine results, Nissan claims you want. :thumbsup:

 

[yoda]

Repeating the same magazine and Nissan claims in every thread FTW.

It IS overrated, and way over-hyped. The fact that people use the 7:2X ring time as a indicator of it's performance is a testament to it. Before it was released every single import forum was claiming the GTR would spank C6Z06s, Vipers, exotics, etc on the street, road course and drag strip. When it was released it couldn't even out accelerate a base vette. :lol:



HAHA what a joke. ONE GTR has ever run that time n like -5000 DA conditions, the majority of them would be lucky to run low 12s @ 117-118mph. You can post all the useless magazine results, Nissan claims you want. :thumbsup:

Majority lucky to run 12's? Lmfo! The GTR has done better then the offical times set by nissan(1/4,0-60) and faster then a 911Turbo on a roadcourse. The real world results have mirrored the magazine tests. The GTR is slower in straight line then a z06 and 911 Turbo but will out run both on a roadcourse. Is it mag hype when multiple c6z06's, 1 GTR and a couple911 turbo etc compete at one lap of america and the GTR set better roadcourse times and place much higher? Is it mag hype when people that own both z06/GTR or 911T/GTR that have tracked there cars say they posted faster time in there GTR then in there z06/911turbo?

 

[kuruma]

Why is everyone surprised at the outcome? What would your impression be if we where to compare a Mustang GT vs 911 Turbo? Exactly! Its a stupid comparison in which two cars where never meant to be compared.

I'm not surprised. I just love the smoke out at the end. It's clear that ZR1 is a superior sports car. Heck even a Z06 is.

I'm a fan of the GTR, but i know what it is.

 

[ChiSVT]

Majority lucky to run 12's? Lmfo! The GTR has done better then the offical times set by nissan(1/4,0-60) and faster then a 911Turbo on a roadcourse. The real world results have mirrored the magazine tests. The GTR is slower in straight line then a z06 and 911 Turbo but will out run both on a roadcourse. Is it mag hype when multiple c6z06's, 1 GTR and a couple911 turbo etc compete at one lap of america and the GTR set better roadcourse times and place much higher? Is it mag hype when people that own both z06/GTR or 911T/GTR that have tracked there cars say they posted faster time in there GTR then in there z06/911turbo?

Actually at my track 2 brand new ones ran 13s back to back without launch control.. :lol1: I'm willing to bet well over 50% of them run 12s. Judging by the cars they lose to they don't seem like solid 11 second runners at all. In fact the BASE c6 seems more of an 11 second car than the GTR, forget about ZR1s & Z06s.

[ame=http://videos.streetfire.net/video/Rednecks-on-the-Vette-vs_639166.htm]Rednecks on the Runway:::Hertz Vette vs Nissan GTR- Video[/ame]

Also, it depends on the track, a GTR does well on tight little courses.
On the larger courses with big straights acceleration comes is a factor, and we aren't talking about a small difference in acceleration between a GTR and a Z06, the z06 absolutely OBLITERATES it. The only thing I can agree with is a stock GTR is MUCH easier to push to it's limits than a stock Z06 on a road course.

 

[Kingcater]

^ LMFAO at that Redneck vid!

 

[mustangbee]

the GTR got so much hype before it came out by the import guys it wasnt even funny, NOW that the real deal has been shown, mostly only fanboys are still impressed... they still claw and grasp at straws.. its a good handling car for the weight, thats about it... no real enthusiast is gonna give props to a sports car thats ALREADY having serious issues-tranny. The R34 was a much better car for its time imo.. the GTR is a hype train that derailed, and now team R35(mostly ppl who dont even own the car) is forced to play cleanup

 

[yoda]

Actually at my track 2 brand new ones ran 13s back to back without launch control.. :lol1: I'm willing to bet well over 50% of them run 12s.

I've seen z06 run 12's and cobras running 13's at my local track as well.How about checking some GTR sites /dragtimes to see what the majority of them are running? The vast majority over on nagtroc are running 11's bone stock. Ive already posted that in another thread where you claimed the same thing.

Also, it depends on the track, a GTR does well on tight little courses.
On the larger courses with big straights acceleration comes is a factor, and we aren't talking about a small difference in acceleration between a GTR and a Z06, the z06 absolutely OBLITERATES it. The only thing I can agree with is a stock GTR is MUCH easier to push to it's limits than a stock Z06 on a road course.

One lap of america= multiple sized tracks:coolman: and still posted faster lap times.How about you post some videos/comparisons/real world of a stock z06 posting faster Road course times then a stock GTR.