2011 gt vs 2010 camero ss
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Much better than your Cobra's??? LOL Dude are you crazy????? It's practically a fact that the interior in the new Camaro is awful.....never before has anything been so unanimous throughout the automotive world as the negative reviews on that car's interior. To each their own I guess.
Just to preface, I have NEVER been a mustang guy till the 11 5.0, always chevy v8s (camaro/TAs) and turbo imports (currently have a 05 400whp sti, slightly modded 1g tsi, tt stealth, and zx10r)
There is so much BS...with people talking out of their ass in this thread! That is what makes more people post on a forum though I guess. lol You think Mustang vs. Camaro is nasty try Sti vs. EVO....brutal.
When thinking and reading about dig runs remember that the stock tires, if not the Brembo package, are crap. Mine are 19" 245 all seasons but I believe the 18" are 235. I know some of the mag articles even mentioned this when they were able to get similar times out of the two cars.
I have ran into a new camaro on the highway....both left even from a three honk 40 roll to around 130ish. We ran twice with nearly same results....slowly walked away with a conservative 3 car pull. Obviously it could be somewhat different with different drivers, but I am sorry, I have played around on the Mexican Highway a few times with a few different rides and it is OBVIOUS to anyone who is honest with themselves when a car is going to pull everytime in a fair run. This is the case with a stock 2011 5.0 vs. stock 2010+ Camaro.
So if you refuse to listen or believe the relatively solid real world accounts that actually line up with factors like weight, rwhp, tires, usable rpm or chose to base opinions on dynos that don't even take both cars to redline (every dyno I have seen has the 5.0 making power all the way to 7k with a tune upping it to 7.3k) have at it and buy a camaro. Just prepare for a little disappointment if you try to pull on a similar equipped 5.0.
Hopefully, it isn't that big of a deal to you though as my criteria for my daily was if I could fit a step-ladder in. lol I like the exterior styling of the camaro better as well as the damn 6 speed! COME ON FORD WITH A DAMN TSB!
BTW I have a 2011 MT 5.0 3.55 gears
There is so much BS...with people talking out of their ass in this thread! That is what makes more people post on a forum though I guess. lol You think Mustang vs. Camaro is nasty try Sti vs. EVO....brutal.
When thinking and reading about dig runs remember that the stock tires, if not the Brembo package, are crap. Mine are 19" 245 all seasons but I believe the 18" are 235. I know some of the mag articles even mentioned this when they were able to get similar times out of the two cars.
I have ran into a new camaro on the highway....both left even from a three honk 40 roll to around 130ish. We ran twice with nearly same results....slowly walked away with a conservative 3 car pull. Obviously it could be somewhat different with different drivers, but I am sorry, I have played around on the Mexican Highway a few times with a few different rides and it is OBVIOUS to anyone who is honest with themselves when a car is going to pull everytime in a fair run. This is the case with a stock 2011 5.0 vs. stock 2010+ Camaro.
So if you refuse to listen or believe the relatively solid real world accounts that actually line up with factors like weight, rwhp, tires, usable rpm or chose to base opinions on dynos that don't even take both cars to redline (every dyno I have seen has the 5.0 making power all the way to 7k with a tune upping it to 7.3k) have at it and buy a camaro. Just prepare for a little disappointment if you try to pull on a similar equipped 5.0.
Hopefully, it isn't that big of a deal to you though as my criteria for my daily was if I could fit a step-ladder in. lol I like the exterior styling of the camaro better as well as the damn 6 speed! COME ON FORD WITH A DAMN TSB!
BTW I have a 2011 MT 5.0 3.55 gears
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Absolutely agree 100%
EDIT Oops, I didn't even notice I posted this same chart months back. This is an old thread lol
This will probably start a poop storm but everyone is so stuck on the peak power between the two when that is only part of the story. Yes, it is very close at peak, but take a look at a same dyno comparison between the two. When you look at power under the curve, the LS3 is clearly superior, which is why it keep it somewhat close given the significant weight and gearing deficiencies.
Camaro = Green
Mustang = Red
Wrong ls3 is not superior
I meant under the curve it's clearly makes more average power/torque.
Average power to me only really matters after 5000RPM, you are only gonna be under 5000RPM when launching in 1st gear. From a roll, nothing under 5000RPM really matters. And while the Camaro should probably be short shifted at around 6300RPM for ideal performance, the Mustang GT could simply be reved out to 7000RPM because the HP curve doesn't fall, it just plateaus after 6500RPM.
I'm not saying one power curve is better than the other, but the dyno isn't telling the whole story because the Mustang is not being revved out to 7000RPM.
You won't get an argument out of me on that. In the real world, you'd have to play it perfect if you run it to 7k, because that rev limiter is right there. If that stock tach is even off a tiny bit, there goes your race.
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Gotta be honest the bitch method is not a good idea. Be polite if they want to go then so be it. If not just leave it alone.
What happens is folks go down to the dealership to take the SS for a test drive, the cars are always in TC safe mode, you have no idea and say yeah it's pretty quick but not what I expected. What you need to do is to tell the salesman you want to test drive the car in the "competative mode" or TC completely off, for computer programming. It's a night and day differance the car instantly becomes a beast. The salesman will not want to do this as he is afraid you will wreck the car. I am not sure what this program does but you have 3 choices, TC on, TC off, and Competative Mode. I am willing to bet a good majority of the SS's running around out there have no idea this mode is programmed in.
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:lol: Maybe the guy who bought the car because he liked the look but trust me the person who wants to take a crack at a cobra or 5.0 knows all about the car.
If I am not mistaken the "Modes" have nothing to do with HP or TQ.... Its all about traction control and that is all. Unless you are spinning it will not kick in and kill power. Competitive mode just allows you a little more tire spin before kicking in.
So in short...the Modes have no bearing on the car becoming a "beast"...there is no magical button that changes the motors perameters allowing for more throttle response/torque.
Maybe someone else will chime in here if I am incorrect. I am going off of my Shelbys TC on, TC off, and Sport mode experience. Sport mode allows the shelby to spin the tires a little more and allows the rearend to kick out more than usual before Advancetrac or TC kicks in.
EDIT: Checked it out....Competitive mode is exactly like the Shelby's Sport mode. Just limits TC and Stabilitrac. So if the guys test driving are not impressed with the camaros power...it has nothing to do with what "mode" the camaro is in..unless they are trying to destroy the tires....
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There's no question the '11 GT is quicker. From a roll it's a lot closer though. The LS3 is an absolute beast on the top end. On my way back from the track when my car was bone stock with paper plates still on it I ran across a guy I know with a '05-'10 GT (can't remember the exact year model, but pre '11). He had a CAI, long tubes, exhaust, cams, and a tune. From a roll I edged out a half car on him with an even start.
That is correct. Enabling Competitive Mode will not give the car any more power. It'll make it quicker at the track if driven right just like the TC on the Shelby's I'm sure.
However there is something that can kill power. On the L99 (automatic) cars, if 87 octane is used in the car the computer automatically kicks down into a lower timing table and it kills power. A lot of people that test drive automatics thinks they're dogs until the problem is corrected.
LS1Tech called..... They want their troll back:bash:
When they had the GT vs M3 comparo they got the GT down to 12.7... One of the Mustang mags got it down to 12.6.
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