I think it has everything to do with it, it's things like that which help create a false sense of confidence. A little fear (call it respect if you want) at the track is a good thing, helps you go home with the same ride you brought there.
I don't see how you can have a false sense of confidence if you're literally spending the day almost causing wrecks and flying off the track.
You've never seen the guy in the porsche over driving like a dick because the miata is trying to pass him? We're getting off track here though, so we can just agree to disagree. I dont think DCTs are bad, but i do think they're part of a problem (being too many driver aids and nannies).
Can’t wait. Hope you get that 3rd allocation! Lol. I have a feeling this car is gonna be nuts.lol
This thread has gotten fairly active... excited for the reveal to the public. Heads will explode.
I like the way you put itHeads will explode.
I'm in one of the more advanced run groups and we had a guy with an M4 show up talking about how great he was and that he needed to be in our group... this guy spent the whole day nearly causing wrecks and he actually drove straight off track right in front of me.
... i understand that there will be the casual HPDE guy who simply just wants to come out and enjoy his car, i 100% am ok with that.
755 is WAY too much for the road course, it just isn't needed.
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This thread has gotten fairly active... excited for the reveal to the public. Heads will explode.
You've never seen the guy in a (insert cheap basic car here) driving like a dick trying to pass someone in a (insert expensive complex car here) trying to get that expensive car scalp?
At DBK, you just started assuming I’m dry drifting cars and slamming the sides of other people’s cars and spinning off track at some novice hpde thing. Ok I’m done. Sure you must be right.
No. I’m not. I’m driving street cars on street tires around closed circuit at private track day rentals, and at drift events as well as lots of canyon and B road time. I never said I’m Randy Phobst at Leguna Seca or any production car lap record holder for that matter.
And if you are honest with yourself you know that a street tire has to be exploited for fast laps. Not need for speed drifted, but exploited. Not every corner, but low speed corners, and on camber banked radius’ love a pitched start to get rotating. Call it a Scandinavian flick if you prefer top gear.
A race tire on a sticky car without suspension travel as in a ford GT, or even a gt350r isn’t gonna do much of what I was describing. It turns in pretty well on it’s own. I haven’t driven either of those but anyone who’s been on track could obviously get this.
I’m not talking about race cars with track tires. I’m talking about street cars with street tires.
Think STI’s, EVO’s and maybe base corvettes. I have piloted those on street tires as well as my 800-1200whp 03 cobra and my 275whp daily driver regal in closed performance events, drift, autos, and loads of canyon/ B road runs.
No I’m not trying he John Force of track days. Good god.
Facts though, you can’t get an STI or any front wheel drive car around a track quick on street tires without exploiting the tires.
Most factory rwd coupes and sporty cars like mustangs and Camaros asking like a little exploiting.
Having watched enough in car vids of hot laps at leguna and the Nurburgring, the best lap times and drivers exploit the tires on every street car they drive. Randy routinely flexes the tires at the cork screw and the final turn of leguna, and even sometimes on turn 1’s exit and turn 5, and just watch the test driver in the canary zl1 1le nurburgring run, he exploits 4 wheel drifts on a cup tire on damn near 15-20% of the track.
That said I don’t claim to be as good or close to that good, I just said I have more fun trying to drive like that than I do driving like a novice at a first timers hpde event. And manuals give me a lot more confidence personally to exploit a cars and tires balance.
Dude... me, everyday, in my Wrangler on the way to work. I flat foot that mo-fo more often than any other vehicle I own. But the zero to 60 is like 10 or 11 seconds. I need to. LOL
You’ll do the same once you get your Trackhawk.
Pick your poison.
Gave some serious thought about getting one, but skipped it for the Demon... now I'm not getting the Demon because I want the blown Ford more.
I might buy a totaled Hellcat and do an engine swap in the Wrangler.
Track Tour. Yeah that was fun. Fingers crossed I'll get the invite again this go roundI may just stick with the GT350 until there's an opportunity to drive the GT500 on track. Hopefully for more than 2 laps like I had with the GT350 track experience, or whatever the heck they called it.
Now I'm really in a quandary, I don't like the idea of having the second tier Mustang, but I don't think a blown engine regardless of HP will be as much fun? I know, I'm crazy to suggest that a measly 526 HP could be more fun than 650 (ZL1) or 662 (13-14 GT500) or whatever the heck the new GT500 will have.