You could do a basuc shortblock that would be good for 1000whp for 3k. You will have labor, gaskets and other expenses on top of that. I would think 5-6k for a basic deal with a clutch. If you were to add worked heads, cams springs, etc, that could double or tripple pretty quickly, depending on how extravagent you get with parts. Considering how often built motors fail, I lean more towards the keep it simple realm of the build. That will depend on your pocket book though. It might not hurt too badly to blow up a 3k shortblock, but it might hurt a whole lot to blow up a $15k motor.
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You're fine with 650...just monitor your AF ratio and make sure you don't go past the 6250 redline.
don't tell him that because i blew @ 645whp. AFR low 11's and never shifted above 6200. it's more how much boost on what octane, rpm, etc.
I may be reading it wrong but seems the trend is too high of boost and crap gas. Doesn't inspire me to upgrade my blower with my excellent choices of 87-91 octane gas around here.
Built motor by Power by the Hour
24 psi on the corn appx 850 whp,on a DynoJet
Tire spin caused RPMs to go to about 6700-6800. Jump out and back on the go pedal = shattered OEM oil pump.
Shattered pump takes out short block.
New motor from L&M with billet oil pump by TSS.
A good short block alone is going to cost $4700-6000 just for the motor. However it certainly can get much pricier than that.
If you fphave all the work done for you to do the swap, IMO, you are looking at $9-11k without any complications in the process.
24 psi on the corn appx 850 whp,on a DynoJet
Tire spin caused RPMs to go to about 6700-6800. Jump out and back on the go pedal = shattered OEM oil pump.
Shattered pump takes out short block.
New motor from L&M with billet oil pump by TSS.
A good short block alone is going to cost $4700-6000 just for the motor. However it certainly can get much pricier than that.
If you fphave all the work done for you to do the swap, IMO, you are looking at $9-11k without any complications in the process.
Andy,I'm curious or have a question on the FRPP,how much better is this block than the stockers?? are the rods a lot better,how much can it hold h.p wise vs stock...thx for any help
iron block Manley H beam rods w/ARP 2000 bolts, Mahle forged piston 8.1:1 compression. same rod/piston combo used in the Ford GT.
thx for the info bud':beer:
True. I'm always on at least 93 around here. Timing has alot to do with it too.
TVS 690 rwhp
18-19psi
11.7 A/F
Cool night, hard pull, 4500 rpm the #7 piston coughed up a piece of ring land.
I had suspected a problem for awhile due to a compression check and leak down test showing 10-12% low on 2 pistons. I knew I was on borrowed time.
Tear down showed the balancer (IW 10%) wasn't tight enough against the timing trigger wheel. The crank bolt had loosened over time. Wheel reamed it's keyway out then lodged itself tight, which probably affected the timing a great deal.
New build: MMR 1000, running E85
18-19psi
11.7 A/F
Cool night, hard pull, 4500 rpm the #7 piston coughed up a piece of ring land.
I had suspected a problem for awhile due to a compression check and leak down test showing 10-12% low on 2 pistons. I knew I was on borrowed time.
Tear down showed the balancer (IW 10%) wasn't tight enough against the timing trigger wheel. The crank bolt had loosened over time. Wheel reamed it's keyway out then lodged itself tight, which probably affected the timing a great deal.
New build: MMR 1000, running E85
ARP makes a 2000 bolt for the crank. i have one included on my build. is MMR adding a 2nd keyway to your crank? when you send the IW balancer back to IW for service they will add a 2nd key for $12.
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I'm with you Mark....If they don't blow up you're not trying hard enough!!
I have the ARP2000 hardware throughout, including the crank bolt. I should have gotten the second keyway, but did not.
#1
Mileage: 10k
Blower: TVS 2.59 upper; IW 10% lower 18psi
Fuel: 93 street tune 21 degrees of timing
Where: On the way to the Drag strip 3rd gear pull
Cause: Lean condition: Tune / single KB BAP
Failure: Burned piston / bent valve
Replaced: L&M built motor; Manley coated pistons & Rods; ARP 2000 throughout - Head, Rod & main
Cost: $6500, I pulled motor
#2
Mileage: 12k
Blower: TVS 2.59 upper IW 10% lower 18psi
Fuel: 93 / TORCO - Race Tune 19 degrees of timing
Where: Drag strip
Cause: Excessive Heat / intercooler reservoir tank
Failure: Blown Head Gasket
Replaced: L&M Replaced Headgasket / checked engine
Cost: $1500, I pulled motor
#3
Mileage: 12.3k
Blower: TVS 2.59 upper IW 10% lower 18psi
Fuel: 93 Street Tune - 17 degrees of timing
Where: Cruising
Cause: ???
Failure: Rod knock
Replaced: MMR 1000 Short Block; Manley coated pistons & Rods; ARP 2000 throughout - Head, Rod & main
Cost: $3600 - winter project install
For sale 07 GT500.... J/K :rockon:
Mileage: 10k
Blower: TVS 2.59 upper; IW 10% lower 18psi
Fuel: 93 street tune 21 degrees of timing
Where: On the way to the Drag strip 3rd gear pull
Cause: Lean condition: Tune / single KB BAP
Failure: Burned piston / bent valve
Replaced: L&M built motor; Manley coated pistons & Rods; ARP 2000 throughout - Head, Rod & main
Cost: $6500, I pulled motor
#2
Mileage: 12k
Blower: TVS 2.59 upper IW 10% lower 18psi
Fuel: 93 / TORCO - Race Tune 19 degrees of timing
Where: Drag strip
Cause: Excessive Heat / intercooler reservoir tank
Failure: Blown Head Gasket
Replaced: L&M Replaced Headgasket / checked engine
Cost: $1500, I pulled motor
#3
Mileage: 12.3k
Blower: TVS 2.59 upper IW 10% lower 18psi
Fuel: 93 Street Tune - 17 degrees of timing
Where: Cruising
Cause: ???
Failure: Rod knock
Replaced: MMR 1000 Short Block; Manley coated pistons & Rods; ARP 2000 throughout - Head, Rod & main
Cost: $3600 - winter project install
For sale 07 GT500.... J/K :rockon:
Would I have to worry with my mods listed below?
Based on your mods, no. The issue is if you get to aggressive with the timing and leanining out the fuel to the ragged edge. That's what blows most motors. Bad fuel can also blow one up with a safe setup.
Awesome, I should add I only run Shell 93 octane and i am tuned for 91. Hopefully that buffer will keep it alive.
I agree,
Tunes are an important piece of the puzzle.
Tunes are an important piece of the puzzle.
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